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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 2, 2018 12:40:37 GMT -5
When I bought this Sauvage I knew it didn't have an original stem but I was new and thought ok what the he!! Here's the pipe I bought   I had decided that I wanted a better stem closer to what it had originally came with. I sent the pipe to Gary Lowe out at Beaver Lake Arkansas, upon receiving the pipe Garycalls me and said 'Jack, I can put a vulcanite stem on this pipe for $15.00" I said do it! Later that day Gary sent me these pics and said he hoped this was ok?  ![]()  Later, later that day I miss a phone call from Gary. I listened to the voice message that stated that he had reamed, cleaned, stripped and the bad news was that there is a spiderweb crack in the shank that he discovered after cleaning the pipe. I immediately call Gary and ask ok what now? He explained that if the crack was left, the pipe would fail and I would be sad, I agreed. Gary told me that he had already put a delron rod in the pipe and made a silver band for it and redid the stem because he didn't like the first one. At this point I'm thinking oh bloody hell this is gonna cost a gazillion dollars to repair a $25.00 pipe so I ask what is the final damage, how much is this gonna cost me Gary? he said "Jack I just really wanted to work on this pipe. I have enough silver to fill every tooth in NWA and I have 1'000'000 feet of delron and I just like the pipe. I said "cool" expecting the worst possible scenario. Gary told me not to worry, and being worried as he!! at this point I replied okay. Then he said oh and I'm gonna stain it with a saddle tan and a lil red the buff it with straight carnauba, wonderful its gonna be a gazillion and 1 dollars. I asked if he financed with low interest on pipe repairs and he said no but "you got a full restoration and I asked again "Gary how much is this costing me?" he said well I think I originally quoted you $15.00 didn't I? and I said yep and Gary said well then $15.00 it is, at this point he laughed and if I could have reached into the phone I would have choked him. $15.00 PPPPBBBBBBBBTTTTTTTTT  After we hung up he sent me these pictures.   I figger he had most of the work already done and used this as an opportunity to mess with my mind but I'll get even MMMMUUUUUUAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 2, 2018 13:11:14 GMT -5
He did a fine job and obviously is a fine man. Congratulations on a great looking pipe. Enjoy it in rude good health.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 14:50:20 GMT -5
Very nicely done...I really like that pipe!! Congratulations.....enjoy fir many years to come👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 2, 2018 15:25:24 GMT -5
Thanks fellas
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Post by dave g on Sept 2, 2018 16:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 2, 2018 16:55:54 GMT -5
What a gentleman and lovely work too. I would have been bricking it until I heard the price.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 2, 2018 23:03:18 GMT -5
What a gentleman and lovely work too. I would have been bricking it until I heard the price. More like claw hammers, pine cones and broken sea shells |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 2, 2018 23:05:29 GMT -5
I talked to Mike on the phone and he said he could handle it but I went with Gary because of reputation and turn around time |
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Post by dave g on Sept 3, 2018 7:46:42 GMT -5
I talked to Mike on the phone and he said he could handle it but I went with Gary because of reputation and turn around time Gary did an outstanding job. I just mentioned WPP for the brass stem logos. This is the only place I’ve seen where they sell replacements. |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 3, 2018 8:58:30 GMT -5
I talked to Mike on the phone and he said he could handle it but I went with Gary because of reputation and turn around time Gary did an outstanding job. I just mentioned WPP for the brass stem logos. This is the only place I’ve seen where they sell replacements. I'm with ya and I appreciate the thought, Mike was the first thought and I almost sent it off to him but Gary and I had discussed it over cigars and well it just seemed logical |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 4, 2018 20:11:12 GMT -5
I picked up the Sauvage today and here are the final photos   |
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Post by dave g on Sept 4, 2018 20:24:07 GMT -5
It sure is a looker now. Well done!
I love seeing an old Pipe get a second chance.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 4, 2018 20:31:45 GMT -5
It sure is a looker now. Well done! I love seeing an old Pipe get a second chance. Thanks I appreciate your saying so. I liked it before and I really love it now. This pipe will be making the journey to K.C. for sure |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 20:36:32 GMT -5
I picked up the Sauvage today and here are the final photos That is a beautiful looking pipe Jack. Enjoy! |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 4, 2018 20:41:04 GMT -5
thanks Mark I will do my best
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 5, 2018 2:13:23 GMT -5
It's got a lovely shine and is a great deep colour. Health to enjoy it, Pistol Pete 1911 |
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Post by qmechanics on Sept 5, 2018 6:50:57 GMT -5
I have a collection of GBD pipes, all great smokers. Four things I keep in mind; the grading,the metal GBD logo (on the stem) and the pipe's shape(style/form) and condition.The pipes without the logo represent the last years of GBD and are generally considered to be of lesser quality compared to the preceding years. Typically I avoid the later era pipes;that is unless I see a decent pipe with a shape (style/form) and/or grade that intrigues me. The link below is quite useful for GBD owners/collectors. pipedia.org/wiki/GBD_Model_InformationPS GBD Unique pipes are the company's custom handmade line and typically real nice. Edited and stated in my post below: The GBD pipe manufacturer later reintroduced a different metal rondelle as noted by smellthehatfirst in another thread;Please see the correspondence below. |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 7, 2018 21:56:24 GMT -5
I have a collection of GBD pipes, all great smokers. Four things I keep in mind; the grading,the metal GBD logo (on the stem) and the pipe's shape(style/form) and condition.The pipes without the logo represent the last years of GBD and are generally considered to be of lesser quality compared to the preceding years. Typically I avoid the later era pipes;that is unless I see a decent pipe with a shape (style/form) and/or grade that intrigues me. The link below is quite useful for GBD owners/collectors. pipedia.org/wiki/GBD_Model_InformationPS GBD Unique pipes are the company's custom handmade line and typically real nice. I'll keep this in mind next time someone offers to completely restore a pipe for me for 20.00, thanks for the heads up |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 7, 2018 22:18:07 GMT -5
I picked up the Sauvage today and here are the final photos Wow that re-stain came out dead-on to the original color. I think all those years of experience have given Gary something of the second sight for aniline dyes  |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 7, 2018 22:18:52 GMT -5
I talked to Mike on the phone and he said he could handle it but I went with Gary because of reputation and turn around time I have been really, really happy with Mike's work, but no, the turnaround time isn't great. These days he has a two or even three month backlog.
He does good work for reasonable amounts of money, so I guess I am just happy to wait with certainty it'll turn out ok.
(Could be worse: I'm told George Dibos no longer accepts new customers, at all, because his backlog is perpetual.)
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 7, 2018 22:23:23 GMT -5
I have a collection of GBD pipes, all great smokers. Four things I keep in mind; the grading,the metal GBD logo (on the stem) and the pipe's shape(style/form) and condition.The pipes without the logo represent the last years of GBD and are generally considered to be of lesser quality compared to the preceding years. Typically I avoid the later era pipes;that is unless I see a decent pipe with a shape (style/form) and/or grade that intrigues me. The link below is quite useful for GBD owners/collectors. pipedia.org/wiki/GBD_Model_InformationPS GBD Unique pipes are the company's custom handmade line and typically real nice. Not all pre-1980 GBDs had the roundels. It varied by shape and by product line. This was a pretty low-end model in its day, being a rusticated finish before those were "hip," so it was a good candidate to sometimes lack roundels.
Doing a google image search for "Sauvage" I saw pipes both with and without roundels, seemingly without regard to stem shape.
In short: who the heck knows.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 8, 2018 3:48:23 GMT -5
I talked to Mike on the phone and he said he could handle it but I went with Gary because of reputation and turn around time I have been really, really happy with Mike's work, but no, the turnaround time isn't great. These days he has a two or even three month backlog.
He does good work for reasonable amounts of money, so I guess I am just happy to wait with certainty it'll turn out ok.
(Could be worse: I'm told George Dibos no longer accepts new customers, at all, because his backlog is perpetual.)
It looks great, and, let's be honest - it's not like we don't have other pipes we could be smoking while we wait. |
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Post by qmechanics on Sept 8, 2018 6:07:52 GMT -5
I have a collection of GBD pipes, all great smokers. Four things I keep in mind; the grading,the metal GBD logo (on the stem) and the pipe's shape(style/form) and condition.The pipes without the logo represent the last years of GBD and are generally considered to be of lesser quality compared to the preceding years. Typically I avoid the later era pipes;that is unless I see a decent pipe with a shape (style/form) and/or grade that intrigues me. The link below is quite useful for GBD owners/collectors. pipedia.org/wiki/GBD_Model_InformationPS GBD Unique pipes are the company's custom handmade line and typically real nice. Not all pre-1980 GBDs had the roundels. It varied by shape and by product line. This was a pretty low-end model in its day, being a rusticated finish before those were "hip," so it was a good candidate to sometimes lack roundels.
Doing a google image search for "Sauvage" I saw pipes both with and without roundels, seemingly without regard to stem shape.
In short: who the heck knows.
Hi It is my understanding that the earliest GBD models did not have the rondelle(The addition of the Rondelle started in the 1920s,I believe (I will need to look this up again.)) As such I should have been more careful in my statement. At the same time, I note Gregory Pease who states: "That said, you can be assured that if the stem has a painted GBD rondelle, rather than a silver or brass one set into the stem, that it is a late-model, made after the merge with Comoy. These were the beginning of the dark-days for GBD (and Comoy, for that matter) in my opinion." ( Found in the pipedia link above) Please note that Mr Peace only makes a distinction between the painted and metal rondelle. However,there is a hint here as to why I said what I did (even as I acknowledge not everything is cut in dry with GBD pipes and exceptions to general characterizations exist.) This hint is the metal GBD stamp/rondelle on the stem is the simplest and easiest way to assure you are buying a preGBD/Comoy pipe (see notes below). One will also find same named lines crossing into the GBD/Comoy era. Notes: I am referring to GBD pipes stamped GBD not the other lines. In my experience the GBD/Comoy painted GBD logo is typically faded or wiped off completely. I even question if all these pipes carried that feature. Of course repairs etc. can also result in a pipe being mischaracterized either way. Update: It has been a while but after reading through a few solid articles lately, to refresh my memory,I noticed that the metal rondelle was reintroduced later and is noticeably different. Given the quantity of pipes produced with the classic rondelle, chances are when someone sees the metal rondelle,he or she looking at a pre1980 pipe. If one wishes to see the new rondelle, I will try to search for a photo and post. Because I rarely run across them on eBay(I rarely look at GBDs past a certain price point),over time this detail slipped from memory. This information was also caught by your (smellthehatfirst) research as noted in the post "Show us your GBDs". |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Sept 8, 2018 6:26:29 GMT -5
That, sir, is a beautiful pipe!
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Sept 8, 2018 6:50:01 GMT -5
That, sir, is a beautiful pipe! Thanks Sir, I don't care if it is old or new or if it is desirable to the collection gurus I just know that I like it |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Sept 8, 2018 6:57:04 GMT -5
And that's the only thing that matters.
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Post by kxg on Sept 13, 2018 22:20:10 GMT -5
That is a great restoration. Congratulations.
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Post by priest2705 on Dec 7, 2018 17:44:22 GMT -5
That GBD is drop dead gorgeous
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Post by monbla256 on Dec 7, 2018 21:03:51 GMT -5
Not only is he an honest man, his work is spotless. Looks like you've got a keeper ! 
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Post by georged on Dec 7, 2018 21:25:07 GMT -5
(Could be worse: I'm told George Dibos no longer accepts new customers, at all, because his backlog is perpetual.)
Just now came across this comment while browsing and thought I should clarify. What you've heard is sort of true. Meaning I'll take on a project that involves something really rare, if there's a strong/meaningful "backstory" to go with it, or (occasionally) if no other repairman wants to mess with it for technical reasons. |
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After we hung up he sent me these pictures.
