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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 7, 2018 8:36:30 GMT -5
So another thread prompted this question...
If you're going to mix a tobacco (let's say there's a blend that is bland... A bland blend) how do you decide what other blends to pair it with?
If it's an aro do you mix with another aro, or do you go English on its arse?
If it's latakia rich what do you do?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:44:10 GMT -5
Depends on the tobacco’s a pipe smoker prefers. Add Orientals, Burley, Sweet Red Carolina or even Cavendish. Mix enough to sample a bowl or three, if it’s a blend you enjoy, make a note of the ratio you blended and make a batch to keep on hand. Works well for me👌👍
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 7, 2018 8:45:39 GMT -5
Depends on the tobacco’s a pipe smoker prefers. Add Orientals, Burley, Sweet Red Carolina or even Cavendish. Mix enough to sample a bowl or three, if it’s a blend you enjoy, make a note of the ratio you blended and make a batch to keep on hand. Works well for me👌👍 Do you mix with mixing blends or other defined blends?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 8:47:13 GMT -5
Both....also with whole leaf I purchase locally 👍👍
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 7, 2018 8:52:46 GMT -5
Cheers for your input. I'm still too scared to waste any tobacco.
If I have 2 blends I don't like maybe two negatives will make a positive by mixing the two together.
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Post by simnettpratt on Sept 7, 2018 8:59:43 GMT -5
I'll mix a bland value tobacco with some good tobacco just to volumize it; the $11 a pound tobacco won't interfere with the taste of my $11 a tin stuff, only make it last longer. Financial thing. I'm not going to mix two good tobaccos and risk ruining both, just to see.
I do though sometimes layer different tobaccos in the same bowl, mainly just for the hell of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 9:21:45 GMT -5
I generally use Cavendish to sweeten up an existing tobacco. Without getting too deep into the quick sand of Cavendish, which is an entirely different subject in its own right, they vary greatly across the board. For a quick primer, I prefer a Cavendish with maple tones for Burley and one with vanilla for Virginia; however, that's entirely subjective and a personal preference.
In late 2015 I purchased some C&D bulk mixing Latakia for sale on the cheap, mixed it with some two year aged and previously jarred bulk Mac Baren Va #1 in a five gallon bucket and re-jarred the mixture in mason jars. It made approximately one case. It's getting time to tap one of those jars and see how things turned out. It was a total lark and the jury is still out. Unlikely given aged MB Va #1, which is fairly sweet to my tastes, but the finished product may still require additional Cavendish, Oriental or Perique to get where it needs to be in the end. It's my only experience with combining aging with mixing thus far. It could all end up being trash can action before it's over but it's been a lot of fun which was the entire purpose.
Just have fun, not much way to go wrong a few pinches at a time if that's your thing.
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Post by puffy on Sept 7, 2018 10:20:37 GMT -5
I gave up on mixing...It never seemed to work out well for me.
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Post by professorthroway on Sept 7, 2018 11:12:26 GMT -5
So I missed this thread when I started mine, sorry.
Do 50% Condor Ready rubbed and 50% old Dark Fired.
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Post by slowroll on Sept 7, 2018 11:41:49 GMT -5
I add perique to Virginia's , which actually makes them smoother. I add perique to Balkan blends to give them a bit of a fig-like undertone. To A Balkan mix that's a bit too tangy with Orientals I add Dark Fired kentucky. Unfortunately my favorite oriental mixers are from McClelland, so I do those pretty sparingly. Nobody has Orientals like they did. I have no idea how to improve aromatics, because there's no way to do that except give 'em away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 11:48:25 GMT -5
So I missed this thread when I started mine, sorry. That's OK, the fine is only $20 for first time offenders. There's a Pay Pal thread on the home page to handle this without any further court action.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 7, 2018 11:53:53 GMT -5
LL said: " I'm still too scared to waste any tobacco." Just mix enough for a bowl and see how it goes...that way you won't lose any tobacco.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 7, 2018 12:13:33 GMT -5
So I missed this thread when I started mine, sorry. Do 50% Condor Ready rubbed and 50% old Dark Fired. On the contrary, I started this on the back of yours because I had questions and didn't want to take your thread off course.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 7, 2018 12:14:00 GMT -5
So I missed this thread when I started mine, sorry. That's OK, the fine is only $20 for first time offenders. There's a Pay Pal thread on the home page to handle this without any further court action. Nice move!
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Sept 7, 2018 12:42:20 GMT -5
I LOVE Laphroaig over all the Islay peat monsters, but I still love those too. I would love to impart that peaty taste into a blend for sh-ts and giggles. Anyone have any advice, instructions, or directions on how to impart that into a blend, other than simply pouring some on top? Any base blends upon which to build something to compliment the peaty malts? I’m OK, you want to direct me to a blog, website, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:57:22 GMT -5
I generally will add strong burley tobacco (e.g., Five Brothers) to American aromatics to give them some N. I add orientals to Virginias for the incense quality and Perique to blends for the N, fruit, and pepper. Finally, I add unsweetened black Cavendish to blends that need more body and a little sweetness.
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Post by slowroll on Sept 7, 2018 13:11:17 GMT -5
I LOVE Laphroaig over all the Islay peat monsters, but I still love those too. I would love to impart that peaty taste into a blend for sh-ts and giggles. Anyone have any advice, instructions, or directions on how to impart that into a blend, other than simply pouring some on top? Any base blends upon which to build something to compliment the peaty malts? I’m OK, you want to direct me to a blog, website, etc. Love Laphroig myself, along with Talisker. Tried to spray it over tobacco, and let it meld and dry out. Found out the best thing is to drink it while smoking!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 13:15:38 GMT -5
So I missed this thread when I started mine, sorry. Do 50% Condor Ready rubbed and 50% old Dark Fired. Good combo for some pipe smokers, a bit strong for Paddy!!
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Post by Baboo on Sept 7, 2018 17:15:00 GMT -5
When it comes to mixing, the world is your oyster... combinations, permutations, take your pick... think kaleidoscope. No rules.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 7, 2018 17:17:46 GMT -5
When it comes to mixing, the world is your oyster... combinations, permutations, take your pick... think kaleidoscope. No rules. A kaleidoscope would be a good way to mix tobacco too. I tried mixing a few left overs and it didn't turn out great. I may get brave some day.
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Sept 7, 2018 20:10:26 GMT -5
I LOVE Laphroaig over all the Islay peat monsters, but I still love those too. I would love to impart that peaty taste into a blend for sh-ts and giggles. Anyone have any advice, instructions, or directions on how to impart that into a blend, other than simply pouring some on top? Any base blends upon which to build something to compliment the peaty malts? I’m OK, you want to direct me to a blog, website, etc. Love Laphroig myself, along with Talisker. Tried to spray it over tobacco, and let it meld and dry out. Found out the best thing is to drink it while smoking! I'd like to do both, actually. Would there be any blend that would be preferable for a Laphroaig addition?
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Post by 2grouse on Sept 7, 2018 21:04:14 GMT -5
I bought some granger, not knowing that it was not like the old granger. I also had some English with lite latikia. Mixed it 50/50, and it’s pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 21:17:12 GMT -5
Here is a thought for you risk takers.
Go down to the local smoke shop and get a pouch of there RYO also pick up a pouch of one of the many extra moist Aromatics. With the large number of Aromatics you should find something that would please you pallet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 21:22:37 GMT -5
I bought some granger, not knowing that it was not like the old granger. I also had some English with lite latikia. Mixed it 50/50, and it’s pretty good. Glad you found a good English tobacco to create your own blend. Plus now you also learned the new Granger is not even close to the original. For me it’s horrendous! Let your blend marry together for 30 plus days and you’ll notice a big difference 👍👌
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Post by peteguy on Sept 7, 2018 21:26:21 GMT -5
Anything I don't care for I always try to mix it with something. Most are duds but I really liked the Red Wine Soup I did a while back. Going to try that one again someday.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Sept 8, 2018 10:52:47 GMT -5
I made my own cigar-leaf blend by starting with a well-known, easily found, economical, "base blend" ...and then mixed in small amounts of additional, easily found, tobaccos. Make sure you start with a base-blend that you really enjoy smoking. I let the master-blenders do the hard work for me and I just mixed some named blends together, and concocted a "new" customized, blend of my own. Then for some additional interest and creaminess, I added some mild cigar-leaf, as the cherry on top!
For God's sake....write down and measure everything! I use a volume/unit measure when mixing tobaccos, and mix only small batches when experimenting. Use an old pill bottle, or a shot-glass, or a tea cup for volume/unit measuring. Measure out your base, measure out your additions, then smoke what you mixed. It won't take very long to find out what mellows, what's too harsh, what strengthens, sweetens, smells great, what bites the tongue, etc. Write every measurement down! Oh, I mentioned that point, already. I use a little book for my recipes, and comments. The quest can be fun, and if you make very small batches, it's not too expensive. For example: If you find that some English mixes are too strong, dilute them with some other milder blends.....Aros too weak, and lack interest....give them some punch with more Virginias, and a pinch of Perique (aka Va-Pers). You want more toasty-oats, add some Burleys. Seek, and ye shall smoke.
BTW, I think this forum and other pipe-smoker's forums have special threads and sections for home-blending tobaccos along with recipes/formulas, etc.
Once you create your own, "customized" mixture(s), and are happy with how it smokes, scale up the measurements and mix up a small batch. Let it mellow, and smoke away. Tobaccos are sold by the ounce/grams. Order it that way, but pay no attention to weight when mixing by volume/unit measurements. Just be consistent, and you (and others) can duplicate your own, customized recipes. It's easy if recipes are in "units".
Here's my cigar-leaf blend (for an example):
(Note: measurements are by volume/units/parts). I originally used a bottle cap for my part/unit measurements.
"PLEASANT MOMENTS" :
10-parts Lane Ltd. "HGL" (base-tobacco blend) "HGL" is an English aromatic = "Captain Black" with a little additional Latakia. (If you hate Latakia, use Lane Ltd "RPL-6" = "Captain Black")
Additions: 2-parts/units: mild cigar-leaf trimmings....chopped 2-parts: Stokkebye Cubed Burley 2-parts: Sutliff match-"Elizabethan" (va-per)
Blend/mix all tobaccos, and let mellow in a glass jar for 10-14 days. This mixture smoked, and smelled great! Love it. I also tried adding 1-part of Lane Ltd. "BCA" to the final cigar-leaf blend - for a little sweetness and a tiny bit of Vanilla. It works either way. IMO, "Pleasant Moments" is way more complex and interesting than smoking straight "HGL". Easy to smoke, stays lit, very nice for the smokers and sniffers. Not harsh, no tongue-bite.
Good luck with your endeavors....enjoy the process and results.
Frank NYC
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Post by slowroll on Sept 8, 2018 11:22:18 GMT -5
Love Laphroig myself, along with Talisker. Tried to spray it over tobacco, and let it meld and dry out. Found out the best thing is to drink it while smoking! I'd like to do both, actually. Would there be any blend that would be preferable for a Laphroaig addition? I didn't find that the scotch flavor came thru well, in fact wasn't particularly pleasant, of course YMMV.
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Sept 8, 2018 15:23:18 GMT -5
I'd like to do both, actually. Would there be any blend that would be preferable for a Laphroaig addition? I didn't find that the scotch flavor came thru well, in fact wasn't particularly pleasant, of course YMMV. I'm quite often dumb as a box of broken hammers. I may give it a shot just to dispel any lingering questions I may have...
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