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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 18:01:10 GMT -5
I read that there are millions of Americans who have never seen the stars. Light pollution around the big cities is so bad that millions of people can never see any but the brightest stars on the clearest nights. Many will never see the Milky Way. This is a huge disconnect from from the formative experience of the human race. I don't have a suggestion on what to do about it, but I think it is sad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:08:40 GMT -5
I have been enjoying them here in the woods for the past five nights. I never get tired of star gazing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:16:42 GMT -5
I've never lived in a big city and have always been able to see the stars but, the last small town I lived in I seen it grow where to the point that there was never again a night so dark you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. I miss nights like that and now live in a (for a short time only) a place I have to have the shades pulled tightly because of a fricken street light out my window. Don't know how anyone deals with that. As you might guess, I have no longing for what they call civilization, nor people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:18:29 GMT -5
When going down to Southern MO as a young adult I was amazed at how many stars there were. Good feeling of eternity
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Post by McWiggins on Sept 17, 2018 18:22:19 GMT -5
I think humans are becoming disconnected from the earth as a whole. A lot of save the planet preaching from behind technology but ask them to spend some time in nature and gaze at the stars or smell the air as nature gets ready for some rain and you're just some know nothing country bumpkin.
“I need to save the planet and only a new cell phone can help me do it because my current phone is a year old. It knows nothing of how I suffer for mother nature.”
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Post by william on Sept 17, 2018 18:35:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:01:32 GMT -5
I remember as a child being amused just by laying on the front lawn at night gazing up at the stars. Getting my first telescope in my early teens and locating the different constellations. Here in NC I must say for the most part at night with no clouds in the sky, the stars light up like tiny candles.....I can locate the constellations easily without a telescope. What’s difficult to see without my telescope is my oldest siblings head ......the seventh planet from the Sun.
This new Millennial generation is so focused on their mobile device I don’t believe they ever look upwards and notice the beauty above them.
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Post by haveldad on Sept 17, 2018 19:10:27 GMT -5
I like looking at the stars and reflecting on my mortality
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Post by rmb on Sept 17, 2018 19:18:46 GMT -5
One of the things I miss the most after having moved to Charlotte is being able to see the stars, I can't even imagine growing up never seeing them. Thankfully I get to go visit parents in the mountains and spent a few nights stargazing and smoking. There are a few amazing phone apps that use your GPS and your camera to help identify stars, planets, constellations, and more. Makes learning a bit of astronomy even easier. It's also interesting because you can see what is below the horizon, find those things you can't normally see in your hemisphere. I hope I can someday stargaze somewhere I can see the southern cross .
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Post by desolbones on Sept 17, 2018 19:26:44 GMT -5
Spent many a slow night on the deck of a trawler 10+ miles out, no light pollution, could hardly go 10 min. without seeing a shooting star.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 19:40:52 GMT -5
One of the things I miss the most after having moved to Charlotte is being able to see the stars, I can't even imagine growing up never seeing them. Thankfully I get to go visit parents in the mountains and spent a few nights stargazing and smoking. There are a few amazing phone apps that use your GPS and your camera to help identify stars, planets, constellations, and more. Makes learning a bit of astronomy even easier. It's also interesting because you can see what is below the horizon, find those things you can't normally see in your hemisphere. I hope I can someday stargaze somewhere I can see the southern cross . Great idea, but misses the point. That's like when we were driving through the mountains for the first time and my son wouldn't get his head out of the video game. I took him to the the Guadeloupe Mountains and set up his telescope. I guess it can't compare to Industrial Light and Magic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:45:04 GMT -5
One of the things I miss the most after having moved to Charlotte is being able to see the stars, I can't even imagine growing up never seeing them. Thankfully I get to go visit parents in the mountains and spent a few nights stargazing and smoking. There are a few amazing phone apps that use your GPS and your camera to help identify stars, planets, constellations, and more. Makes learning a bit of astronomy even easier. It's also interesting because you can see what is below the horizon, find those things you can't normally see in your hemisphere. I hope I can someday stargaze somewhere I can see the southern cross . Great idea, but misses the point. That's like when we were driving through the mountains for the first time and my son wouldn't get his head out of the video game. I took him to the the Guadeloupe Mountains and set up his telescope. I guess it can't compare to Industrial Light and Magic. Xuan and I were driving in the mountains in New Mexico and we had rain on one side of the car, snow on another, and beautiful sunshine ahead. It was so beautiful and weird. 25 years later I still can picture it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 19:46:45 GMT -5
I like looking at the stars and reflecting on my mortality I reflect on that often. Gives me something to look forward to. I do not say that in any way meaning self pity or dourness. I am a huge believer in the other side
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Post by rmb on Sept 17, 2018 19:51:47 GMT -5
One of the things I miss the most after having moved to Charlotte is being able to see the stars, I can't even imagine growing up never seeing them. Thankfully I get to go visit parents in the mountains and spent a few nights stargazing and smoking. There are a few amazing phone apps that use your GPS and your camera to help identify stars, planets, constellations, and more. Makes learning a bit of astronomy even easier. It's also interesting because you can see what is below the horizon, find those things you can't normally see in your hemisphere. I hope I can someday stargaze somewhere I can see the southern cross . Great idea, but misses the point. That's like when we were driving through the mountains for the first time and my son wouldn't get his head out of the video game. I took him to the the Guadeloupe Mountains and set up his telescope. I guess it can't compare to Industrial Light and Magic. I use this as a tool to identify something I'm curious about, its just an interactive star chart really, meant to enhance an experience not replace it. But, I'm a bit older than a millennial and not usually interested in social media etc. If it came down to it being a distraction to stargazing for a younger person I'd just turn their dang data off But if it helped a younger person get interested in something like stargazing it would be good, no?
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 19:53:32 GMT -5
Great idea, but misses the point. That's like when we were driving through the mountains for the first time and my son wouldn't get his head out of the video game. I took him to the the Guadeloupe Mountains and set up his telescope. I guess it can't compare to Industrial Light and Magic. I use this as a tool to identify something I'm curious about, its just an interactive star chart really, meant to enhance an experience not replace it. But, I'm a bit older than a millennial and not usually interested in social media etc. If it came down to it being a distraction to stargazing for a younger person I'd just turn their dang data off But if it helped a younger person get interested in something like stargazing it would be good, no? Yep.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 19:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by rmb on Sept 17, 2018 20:02:12 GMT -5
That 2025 map is frankly terrifying. I'll have to move to Nevada just to have a nice quiet night with the stars.
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Post by Darin on Sept 17, 2018 20:09:59 GMT -5
Flagstaff and now Camp Verde are deemed "Dark Sky" communities ... great sky viewing.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 20:15:55 GMT -5
We go to Fort Davis fairly often, considering how it's 650 miles away. The McDonald Observatory there is pretty serious about Dark Skies. There are regulations covering 7 counties around it. The drilling rigs that run 24/7/365 around Midland are messing with the sky, but the engineers are seeing that they have no reason not to control the light so all new rigs are going to be built for Dark Skies.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 20:18:01 GMT -5
Flagstaff and now Camp Verde are deemed "Dark Sky" communities ... great sky viewing. The only time we got outside at night in Flagstaff or Arizona in general was where we had lights right above us. I do remember that they were all directed downward.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 20:21:27 GMT -5
I believe that being able to view the stars is a basic human right. Then there's "Nightfall". I don't know. I guess it isn't obviously necessary.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 20:25:39 GMT -5
On another topic, Houston is the most ethnicly diverse city in the US. most of the populations are on the Southwest side of the city. About 50 miles northwest, in a area that is more Czech and German, there is a sign. "Future Home of the Largest Cricket Complex in the United States". The wait is killing me.
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Post by haveldad on Sept 17, 2018 20:50:48 GMT -5
I like looking at the stars and reflecting on my mortality I reflect on that often. Gives me something to look forward to. I do not say that in any way meaning self pity or dourness. I am a huge believer in the other side Even opinion of life having no afterlife can give one meaning, a positive outlook on life makes the end not matter, what we do on the way to it is the most important. IMO
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 21:19:23 GMT -5
I reflect on that often. Gives me something to look forward to. I do not say that in any way meaning self pity or dourness. I am a huge believer in the other side Even opinion of life having no afterlife can give one meaning, a positive outlook on life makes the end not matter, what we do on the way to it is the most important. IMO Regardless of belief, it should be obvious that it is better to leave the world a little better place than it would have been without you. Of course there is the saying that the only immortality that a man has is the time that his name is remembered. In that case, Adolf Hitler is the true Immortal.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Sept 17, 2018 21:20:24 GMT -5
Despite living in a populated state (10 Million +) we live in a small community. Add this to the fact that our town, especially our residential areas, have very few street lights, we benefit from little to no light pollution.
The net result is that we have spectacular night views of the stars. The Milky Way is very evident most nights.
Sadly, with the storm we recently had, haven't seen the stars in almost a week now.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 17, 2018 21:24:39 GMT -5
I left a city behind me 20 years ago this month. First thing I did was spend the night in a sleeping bag under the stars. I still go out most every night to look at the night sky.
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Sept 17, 2018 21:28:31 GMT -5
I wish I could see the more clearly. When I was a kid, we would leave early for the duck blind. I used to marvel at how many stars there were in the heavens. Most people who have never seen stars likely could not care less. Nothing makes you realize just how insignificant you are until you stare at the vastness of the universe. Most people today could not accept that realization.
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Post by puffy on Sept 17, 2018 22:17:55 GMT -5
They can be seen most nights here in Western Carolina
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Sept 17, 2018 22:45:25 GMT -5
I agree that it's a tragedy. It isn't the worst thing, to be honest. I really enjoy a good look at the stars, though. I go on night hikes with my roommates to get out of the city just enough to see a few of the brighter constellations.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 17, 2018 22:53:27 GMT -5
I agree that it's a tragedy. It isn't the worst thing, to be honest. I really enjoy a good look at the stars, though. I go on night hikes with my roommates to get out of the city just enough to see a few of the brighter constellations. Just curious, have you ever seen a completely clear night sky in an area so dark that you felt like you could read by the starlight, and the entire sky was shining? That is the way it is in the Guadeloupe mountains and Fort Davis. It is like another world.
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