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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 14:07:22 GMT -5
A Pay Pal dispute actually lit the fuse; nevertheless, after having been a member for almost two decades, I'm cutting the cord.
Bottom line is things ain't what they used to be. I thinned the briar herd in half to the point it hurt and can't part company with anymore babies on the auction block, relocated, gave away anything I thought might be useful to others, especially kids just getting things going, and made ten trips to the dump; consequently, my seller's days are over. (How's that for a run on sentence?)
My buying experiences over the last few years have been less than satisfactory, a few hits but a lot more swings and misses. I'd rather conduct business on Amazon.
My favorite EBay experience was sending a one man Gortex tent half way across the planet to a soldier stationed in Germany. He actually received it and sent back a pic which was pretty cool at the time.
EBay, which also owns Pay Pal, has really went in the can. I'll find others avenues through which to conduct business.
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Post by Quintsrevenge on Sept 20, 2018 14:23:35 GMT -5
I concur , tough to deal when paypal can pull the rug out from underneath you. No amount of fight can fix problems, seems business models have made them more one-sided than ever lately. Much different from when they began...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 14:33:46 GMT -5
After what you went through....asking for your drivers license I’d drop them both fast as well. So far that has not happened. Three weeks ago I purchased a new iPad 12.9” second generation bundle that if purchased from Apple would have set me back just over $1,300.00. I purchased from a gentleman with 2,300 plus feedback and 100% satisfaction. Thirty day return with seller paying for return if needed. I paid $820.00 delivered, originally got lost for a few days thanks to our USPS!! But I must admit I received a heck of a deal. Before purchasing I checked with Apple....the iPad is new and covered under Apple Care Service through July 15th 2019.
If the time comes ebay or PayPal ever asks for my drivers license it’s.....” adios “!!!
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Post by just ol ed on Sept 20, 2018 14:42:59 GMT -5
wifie used to buy/sell collector dolls. Not for at least 8yrs now. Some decent, some crappy deals. Main reason...we are NOT fancy/dancy password people...both decided to mess 'em up. Screw 'em both
Ed/Nancy Duncan, Batavia, NY
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Post by toshtego on Sept 20, 2018 14:47:12 GMT -5
I was an active Ebay Seller about ten years ago and did well. It was not too difficult. It seems to have gotten more difficultfrom what I read.
I buy stuff on Ebay before any other on-line source. No problems. I prefer dealing with small independents but they are probably fronts fo transglobal monopoly corporations using slave labor, evading the payment of taxes and generally fouling the planet. LOL.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 20, 2018 15:45:29 GMT -5
I missed the post about the drivers license... ain’t gonna happ’n cap’n!
We have places that we deliver freight, if they are not military they demand our license, their freight goes back to where it came from.
There was an incident some years back where a dirtbag security guard was copying drivers licenses and used the information and matched up with criminals for fake drivers licenses....
So if a thug weighed 200 lbs, 6’1 brown hair brown eyes like me he could have his pic put on the fake ID... Voila!
One of our employees back east had a midnight raid on his house by the cops... I believe federal agents involved.... that is why our company agrees to not require the nonsense.
I’m with you Mark, I am sure you have heard my rants.
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Post by kxg on Sept 20, 2018 15:55:32 GMT -5
My wife has had an e-Bay business for nearly 14 years (over 17,000 feedback @100% positive even though she quit chasing feedback a long time ago). Over that time, according to her, e-Bay has become continuously and exceptionally more buyer centric. It has gotten to the point that buyers can easily scam sellers and there is really nothing the seller can do about it, other than complain. That is not to say that e-Bay will tolerate fraud, they won't, but when a buyer is allowed to return an item for no legitimate reason or lies about the reason, and the seller has to pay for return shipping, things have gotten out of hand. But, that hasn't stopped her from continuing business, it just isn't as much fun as it used to be.
Personally, I've had good experiences on e-Bay, mostly as a buyer but some as a seller as well.
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Post by haebar on Sept 20, 2018 16:27:08 GMT -5
I am just about ready to move to Etsy or Facebook to sell; even though it is harder, it is much cheaper in the long run. Ebay always takes sides with the buyer in a dispute and they take over 10% off the top. I sold a highly collectible NOS Zippo on Ebay in the original box with the little pamphlet that came with it to a person in California who promptly returned it saying that it had a tiny scratch on the back (it had never been taken out of the box). But he didn't return the pamphlet. I took issue with that, but Ebay took the refund out of my bank account promptly and refused to hear my side of the story, saying that it was my word against theirs. Without that pamphlet, the lighter has less value. I hate Ebay customer service as a seller! But if you are a buyer, it is a different story. You can make up any excuse for returning an item and they are right behind you all the way, even for listings that state "no returns". Oh well, that's my rant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 16:34:44 GMT -5
I missed the post about the drivers license... ain’t gonna happ’n cap’n! We have places that we deliver freight, if they are not military they demand our license, their freight goes back to where it came from. There was an incident some years back where a dirtbag security guard was copying drivers licenses and used the information and matched up with criminals for fake drivers licenses.... So if a thug weighed 200 lbs, 6’1 brown hair brown eyes like me he could have his pic put on the fake ID... Voila! One of our employees back east had a midnight raid on his house by the cops... I believe federal agents involved.... that is why our company agrees to not require the nonsense. I’m with you Mark, I am sure you have heard my rants. Thanks Charlie. I moved in April, did all the normal things, changing addresses, etc... When I made my first payment via Pay Pal afterwards, they put a freeze on my account and requested a copy of my driver's license and utility bill as proof of new residence. The possibility of scamming aside, I initially believed this matter could be easily settled over the phone given our longstanding relationship. Man was I wrong. After I informed Pay Pal I would not provide the requested documents, my entire account including a positive balance of approximately $300 was put in total maximum deep freeze. To add insult to injury, they still pinged my credit card for payment they never intended to deliver five days later - Pure extortion. Long story short, I disputed the credit card charge and the card issuer kicked Pay Pal in the butt and removed the charge. Pay Pal is still holding my $300 positive balance for 180 days from the time they froze my account but must issue it to me at that time. Again, pure extortion tactics. Admittedly, I've lost more than $300 on a single horse race on numerous occasions. Pay Pal would have to do better than that one for me to break a sweat; however, I suspect it works on others with a relatively high enough success rate they continue the practice. I don't get it. I'm just a nickel and dimer buying or selling for almost two decades. It is what it is. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 20, 2018 16:39:26 GMT -5
I am just about ready to move to Etsy or Facebook to sell; even though it is harder, it is much cheaper in the long run. Ebay always takes sides with the buyer in a dispute and they take over 10% off the top. I sold a highly collectible NOS Zippo on Ebay in the original box with the little pamphlet that came with it to a person in California who promptly returned it saying that it had a tiny scratch on the back (it had never been taken out of the box). But he didn't return the pamphlet. I took issue with that, but Ebay took the refund out of my bank account promptly and refused to hear my side of the story, saying that it was my word against theirs. Without that pamphlet, the lighter has less value. I hate Ebay customer service as a seller! But if you are a buyer, it is a different story. You can make up any excuse for returning an item and they are right behind you all the way, even for listings that state "no returns". Oh well, that's my rant. Etsy is another story altogether. I made one purchase. The seller never sent the item and it took months to get a refund from Etsy. They take the prize for indifference. Finally, the seller contacted me to report they stopped selling on Etsy long ago and WTF did I want? It seems that, with Etsy, buyers are expected to dialogue with sellers before making a purchase. Establish rapport, trust and general bonhomie. I am not looking for a new pal, just the merchandise, bub! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 16:39:26 GMT -5
Mark, that sucks. I wonder how much money they are holding hostage and how much that nets them in interest?
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Post by blackmouth210 on Sept 20, 2018 16:40:36 GMT -5
Etsy gives buyers almost zero support in the event of a dispute.
Etsy treats buyers the way Ebay treats sellers.
Between Etsy's lack of consumer protection and Ebay's lack of seller-support it would be nice to find some middle ground.
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Post by monbla256 on Sept 20, 2018 16:41:25 GMT -5
Why do you guys think it's called e-Prey ?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 16:46:31 GMT -5
I certainly know how you feel Mark as I've been a member since almost the beginning of eBay.
It has changed for the worse in some aspects but, I have to say (and I don't own stock in it) that
its probably the easiest and best place to sell your collectables. I've bought a lot of pipes and other collectibles
off eBay and although I've had my share of disappointments the good ones far out weigh them.
When you deal with people its going to be a PITA from time to time. I recently had to block ALL buyers from Asia because the percent of non-payers and wait to the last minute payers, just won't deal with them. But I'm still able to make the cash I need fairly easy.
I might even be move'en back the end of October now instead of next year.
Amazon! Well over priced and that's about all you'll want to know about how I feel about them because I've had my fair share of problems dealing with them.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 20, 2018 16:47:58 GMT -5
EBay, which also owns Pay Pal, has really went in the can. I'll find others avenues through which to conduct business. eBay sold off their holdings in Paypal, so now Paypal cares less about the eBay selling experience than ever. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 20, 2018 16:48:31 GMT -5
Mark, that sucks. I wonder how much money they are holding hostage and how much that nets them in interest? Paypal makes a lot of money this way. Or at least, they did once upon a time, from figures disclosed years ago. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 20, 2018 16:48:59 GMT -5
That really does suck. I rarely use ebay. I did for a short Stint earlier this year for pipes but not anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 16:51:12 GMT -5
A Pay Pal dispute actually lit the fuse; nevertheless, after having been a member for almost two decades, I'm cutting the cord. Bottom line is things ain't what they used to be. I thinned the briar herd in half to the point it hurt and can't part company with anymore babies on the auction block, relocated, gave away anything I thought might be useful to others, especially kids just getting things going, and made ten trips to the dump; consequently, my seller's days are over. (How's that for a run on sentence?) I'm not sure I like the sound of that in relation to pipes....  I agree about ebay, though. Definitely not what it used to be. I think they're divorcing from PayPal soon and are going to have a new "preferred" payment system (one you'll be forced to sign up to if you want to keep selling, as they originally did with PP). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 16:59:27 GMT -5
EBay, which also owns Pay Pal, has really went in the can. I'll find others avenues through which to conduct business. eBay sold off their holdings in Paypal, so now Paypal cares less about the eBay selling experience than ever. Good information, explains a lot. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Sept 20, 2018 17:32:32 GMT -5
I am just about ready to move to Etsy or Facebook to sell; even though it is harder, it is much cheaper in the long run. Ebay always takes sides with the buyer in a dispute and they take over 10% off the top. I sold a highly collectible NOS Zippo on Ebay in the original box with the little pamphlet that came with it to a person in California who promptly returned it saying that it had a tiny scratch on the back (it had never been taken out of the box). But he didn't return the pamphlet. I took issue with that, but Ebay took the refund out of my bank account promptly and refused to hear my side of the story, saying that it was my word against theirs. Without that pamphlet, the lighter has less value. I hate Ebay customer service as a seller! But if you are a buyer, it is a different story. You can make up any excuse for returning an item and they are right behind you all the way, even for listings that state "no returns". Oh well, that's my rant. Etsy is another story altogether. I made one purchase. The seller never sent the item and it took months to get a refund from Etsy. They take the prize for indifference. Finally, the seller contacted me to report they stopped selling on Etsy long ago and WTF did I want? It seems that, with Etsy, buyers are expected to dialogue with sellers before making a purchase. Establish rapport, trust and general bonhomie. I am not looking for a new pal, just the merchandise, bub! I've heard similar tales from several people. This is why Etsy is a no-go for me unless the seller and I have already established a relationship elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 18:06:20 GMT -5
I am just about ready to move to Etsy or Facebook to sell; even though it is harder, it is much cheaper in the long run. Ebay always takes sides with the buyer in a dispute and they take over 10% off the top. I sold a highly collectible NOS Zippo on Ebay in the original box with the little pamphlet that came with it to a person in California who promptly returned it saying that it had a tiny scratch on the back (it had never been taken out of the box). But he didn't return the pamphlet. I took issue with that, but Ebay took the refund out of my bank account promptly and refused to hear my side of the story, saying that it was my word against theirs. Without that pamphlet, the lighter has less value. I hate Ebay customer service as a seller! But if you are a buyer, it is a different story. You can make up any excuse for returning an item and they are right behind you all the way, even for listings that state "no returns". Oh well, that's my rant. I know a few knife makers that now sell on Etsy and are doing well. They finally left eBay due too scammers and also they got tired of “ having a partner “ in their business! I truly feel bad for you and your wife and understand your rant. Personally, I no longer sell on eBay since 2011. Guess I’m now considered just a buyer, but I’d never try and scam a seller....but according to a few of my friends that still sell on eBay ALL have mentioned to me that they’ve been scammed more than once. I tell them don’t ship out of the USA, I know someone that sold her Apple AirBook to a buyer in Russia. The buyer filed a dispute stating they never received the package, even though it showed through tracking the package was received and signed for. Ended up eBay paid the buyer and the seller was not penalized in THIS case. Tracking numbers are extremely important!! |
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Post by haveldad on Sept 20, 2018 18:11:30 GMT -5
Etsy is a good selling platform.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 18:11:31 GMT -5
Why do you guys think it's called e-Prey ? I remember when it was referred to as e-Scam!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 18:40:43 GMT -5
I still like eBay and PayPal a lot myself, but I've never been a seller.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Sept 20, 2018 19:22:02 GMT -5
I use ebay for a lot more than pipes so its kind of indispensable for me.
Someone should start a deepweb (TOR) market for briar pipes and tobacco. No illegal activity, of course. Just a free and open market for us folks who love our pipes and tobacco.
Just a thought.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Sept 20, 2018 19:31:26 GMT -5
I was just thinking like you could use bitcoin and litecoin etherium and no fees or stupid rules about selling tobacco or pipes or anything it would be totally free and based on the trust and faith in the brotherhood of the briar
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 19:34:29 GMT -5
I still use paypal because it actually solves some problems, but it has cost me thousands in bad check fees. Twice they suspended my account for activity, leaving me no way to pay for things. The first time I had to clear things up it says because of a routine check they found out I had two birthdays. Well, I have at least that many. I asked them where I had these false birthdays. Yahoo. I mentioned I had been with Yahoo since 1997 and no one gave their real info back then. I asked them if they could prove I had a fake birthday anywhere that required the info for financial or legal reasons. Crickets. Account restored. The second time it was over activity. Called them. Have I ever not paid anything? Have I ever been late on a payment when using your card? Crickets.
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