Chicken before the egg, or box before the pipe?
Sept 25, 2018 3:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Sept 25, 2018 3:11:07 GMT -5
A few years back, I bought a pipe lot at a brick and mortar auction, and included was a Sasieni Box FOUR DOT Hurlingham Natural finish...I was bummed that the pipe was gone, but that was really a side issue, a few times I thought about selling the box or offering it up on the forum if anyone could use it.
Grant's used to be a San Francisco tobacconist, closed in September 2012...their roots start in the gold rush era 1849.
Exactly a year ago, I picked up a Sasieni FOUR DOT Hurlingham Ruff Root pipe...I have been smoking it, but hadn't really looked into it's pedigree until tonight.
I ran into this thread from another forum that seems to match:
There was some disagreement between Hacker and a guy named Smith
Are there any Sasieni experts here on the forum that can offer any advice? Family era?
Also, from reading around the interwebs, Hurlinghams came in tan and natural...I am guessing that this would be a natural finish?
Grant's used to be a San Francisco tobacconist, closed in September 2012...their roots start in the gold rush era 1849.
Exactly a year ago, I picked up a Sasieni FOUR DOT Hurlingham Ruff Root pipe...I have been smoking it, but hadn't really looked into it's pedigree until tonight.
I ran into this thread from another forum that seems to match:
There was some disagreement between Hacker and a guy named Smith
The pipe in question has a city name stamped on it,(check) which Smith says is indicative of a family era pipe (as noted above) since the city names were eliminated in 1979 after the sale of the company. Hacker's book is silent on when the city names were no longer stamped on the shank. One point for the pipe being family era.
The pipe also has the post-war script "Sasieni" (check) not the post-sale block lettering. Smith says the logo changed after 1979. Hacker is silent on this point. Two points for family era.
The pipe is stamped "Four Dot." (check) Smith says "Four Dot" changed to "4 Dot" in 1986, after the second sale of the company. Hacker is silent on this point. This doesn't help date the pipe as family era if Smith is right.
The pipe has "Sasieni" and "Four Dot" on separate lines. (check) Smith says this was discontinued and changed to "Sasieni Four Dot" in 1986. Hacker is silent on this point. This doesn't help date it as family era.
Hacker says the tan finish Ruff Root wasn't made by the family. ( ) I assume his authority is the interview he had with Alfred Sasieni in 1987. Smith is silent on this point.
In all, it looks like a post-war, family era pipe according to Smith, assuming Hacker's information is incorrect. I'm still trying to hunt up old catelogues which should address the finish issue.
The pipe also has the post-war script "Sasieni" (check) not the post-sale block lettering. Smith says the logo changed after 1979. Hacker is silent on this point. Two points for family era.
The pipe is stamped "Four Dot." (check) Smith says "Four Dot" changed to "4 Dot" in 1986, after the second sale of the company. Hacker is silent on this point. This doesn't help date the pipe as family era if Smith is right.
The pipe has "Sasieni" and "Four Dot" on separate lines. (check) Smith says this was discontinued and changed to "Sasieni Four Dot" in 1986. Hacker is silent on this point. This doesn't help date it as family era.
Hacker says the tan finish Ruff Root wasn't made by the family. ( ) I assume his authority is the interview he had with Alfred Sasieni in 1987. Smith is silent on this point.
In all, it looks like a post-war, family era pipe according to Smith, assuming Hacker's information is incorrect. I'm still trying to hunt up old catelogues which should address the finish issue.
Are there any Sasieni experts here on the forum that can offer any advice? Family era?
Also, from reading around the interwebs, Hurlinghams came in tan and natural...I am guessing that this would be a natural finish?
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