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Post by tr on Oct 10, 2018 18:10:24 GMT -5
I am really enjoying my Baraccini churchwardens. P&C had them on sale for a ridiculously low price, and even their regular price is quite reasonable. I have a Savinelli that provides two stems. I keep it as a churchwarden. I have several MacQueen churchwarden pipes, made of ash, ash bowl and ash stem, that I like as well. They smoke fine. I do a lot of just sitting when i smoke, so I forgot the point mentioned above that a churchwarden is not for activity. In fact I would recommend lighting one up first, and then discovering that hey, now you can't go out and mow the lawn, or get the mail, and hey, can anyone get me the newspaper? I'm probably going to get one of these Baraccini churchwardens from P&C while they are still on sale. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 10, 2018 18:15:12 GMT -5
I am really enjoying my Baraccini churchwardens. P&C had them on sale for a ridiculously low price, and even their regular price is quite reasonable. I have a Savinelli that provides two stems. I keep it as a churchwarden. I have several MacQueen churchwarden pipes, made of ash, ash bowl and ash stem, that I like as well. They smoke fine. I do a lot of just sitting when i smoke, so I forgot the point mentioned above that a churchwarden is not for activity. In fact I would recommend lighting one up first, and then discovering that hey, now you can't go out and mow the lawn, or get the mail, and hey, can anyone get me the newspaper? I'm probably going to get one of these Baraccini churchwardens from P&C while they are still on sale. ...for the same $$, you might find an older pipe that would smoke much better... |
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Post by tr on Oct 10, 2018 18:31:21 GMT -5
I'm probably going to get one of these Baraccini churchwardens from P&C while they are still on sale. ...for the same $$, you might find an older pipe that would smoke much better... On ebay? |
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 10, 2018 18:33:15 GMT -5
...for the same $$, you might find an older pipe that would smoke much better... On ebay? ...yes, or at any number of websites that sell estate pipes... |
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Post by slowroll on Oct 10, 2018 18:34:46 GMT -5
My only Churchwarden is an old Jarl that rarely gets smoked. I'd probably have sold it if there wasn't sentimental attachment.  If you want to sell it, let me know. I love Jarl pipes, and I like churchwardens. |
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Post by tr on Oct 10, 2018 18:36:48 GMT -5
...yes, or at any number of websites that sell estate pipes... Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out before I make a purchase...no hurry to get one, I just eventually want to add one to the collection. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 10, 2018 18:38:26 GMT -5
...yes, or at any number of websites that sell estate pipes... Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out before I make a purchase...no hurry to get one, I just eventually want to add one to the collection. ...they come in handy at times... every pipe smoker should have at least one... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 11, 2018 1:42:54 GMT -5
Alternatively there is the cobbit series of corn cob church wardens.
Just FYI.
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Post by jeffd on Oct 11, 2018 10:23:31 GMT -5
It is kind of a style thing. And it is not a style for everyone. I would say - if you are inexperienced with a churchwarden you might want to practice handling it. Im serious and mean no disrespect. You want to get over feeling awkward and self conscious before smoking it in public. And don't put your eye out, like I almost did.  The thing is a churchwarden is so "in your face". I really kind of like that. It is unashamed. "Hi I am making smoke in your world and I am not trying to hide it" kind of feeling. Of course I do not encourage uncivil behavior or attitude, but when that person three empty picnic tables down, on a windy day, gives you the evil eye, holding up a churchwarden as a toast is a nice feeling. |
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Post by Quintsrevenge on Oct 11, 2018 10:39:09 GMT -5
Alternatively there is the cobbit series of corn cob church wardens. Just FYI. I have the cobbit dwarf and love it. |
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Post by stilllernin on Oct 13, 2018 0:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 13, 2018 4:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Oct 13, 2018 10:34:46 GMT -5
Nice! I have heard generally good things about Stanwell’s Hans Christian Andersen line of churchwarden’s, I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that line. Jeremy Brett smoked a churchwarden quite a bit in the Sherlock Holmes series, I always wish that I could identify the pipes used. |
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Post by jeffd on Oct 14, 2018 15:05:14 GMT -5
I recently received two Wellington churchwardens, their 1000 and 1003. I am really loving them.
They have a somewhat shorter and more deeply bent stem, so they are very clenchable. But with all the other advantages that the furnace is well below my face and out of the way.
For those for whom clenchability is important, I recommend these.
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Post by mel64us on Jan 27, 2019 12:48:03 GMT -5
I agree. They do have pros and cons. I am currently smoking a Brindisi churchwarden that I bought on a whim. Good smoker but does have a tendency to gurgle.
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 27, 2019 14:27:18 GMT -5
My first churchwarden stem came as a second stem with a meerschaum pipe that came with both standard and churchwarden stems. This was a recent purchase and the churchwarden stem is really only about 6 or 7 inches long. I've seen much longer. I love using it, though. It smokes a bit cooler and promotes contemplation.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 27, 2019 15:08:17 GMT -5
I own 5 or 6 and love them. The smoke is definitely cooler, since the smoke travels thru such a long stem. Definitely a sitting and relaxing smoke for sure.
1. Hardened rubber is a powerful insulator.
2. The smoke travels through the airway at 40-60 cm/s.
In other words, you're not getting any measurable amount of cooling from an extended stem.
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Post by desolbones on Jan 27, 2019 16:12:12 GMT -5
And once you finish that sip at 40-60 cm/s the smoke remaining in the stem continues to cool, it would seem logical?
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Post by sperrytops on Jan 27, 2019 16:15:56 GMT -5
I own 5 or 6 and love them. The smoke is definitely cooler, since the smoke travels thru such a long stem. Definitely a sitting and relaxing smoke for sure.
1. Hardened rubber is a powerful insulator.
2. The smoke travels through the airway at 40-60 cm/s.
In other words, you're not getting any measurable amount of cooling from an extended stem.
Do acrylic stems insulate any differently than ebonite? |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 27, 2019 16:41:45 GMT -5
1. Hardened rubber is a powerful insulator.
2. The smoke travels through the airway at 40-60 cm/s. In other words, you're not getting any measurable amount of cooling from an extended stem.
Do acrylic stems insulate any differently than ebonite? A quick google suggests "no." Lower numbers are better insulators.
- Ebonite, 0.17
- Oak timber, 0.17
- Acrylic, 0.20
- Dry Sand, 0.25
- Asbestos, 0.74
- Carbon Steel, 43.0
- Aluminum, 205.0
In short, your pipe stem is no better at radiating heat than the wooden stummel is. Both are commonly made of excellent insulators.
If you want your pipe stem to dissipate heat, buy a Kirsten, not a churchwarden.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 27, 2019 16:43:08 GMT -5
And once you finish that sip at 40-60 cm/s the smoke remaining in the stem continues to cool, it would seem logical? Even if, for some reason, your pipe had a huge volume of "reserve" airspace to cool the smoke, it's sitting in an insulated chamber made of wood and rubber.
There's nowhere for the heat to go.
A reverse calabash will dry the smoke via expansion, but it won't do much to cool it. A churchwarden will do neither. (The air path is deliberately as regular and obstruction-free as possible, to prevent condensation!)
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Just for the sake of argument: the volume of airspace in a churchwarden going to be very, very small.
For the sake of argument, suppose a 9" churchwarden, with a 3mm draught hole. And we can tack another 2" on for the shank.
That gives us a cross section of 7.06 sq mm for the draught. Multiply that by the ~228 mm length of the stem and ~51 mm for shank, and we get a total of 1.6 cubic centimeters for the stem, plus 0.3 cubic cm for the shank.
Even the smallest reverse calabash is bigger than that.
Heck, Peterson "system" pipes have a bigger "well" drilled into the mortise than the entire volume of a 9" churchwarden stem.
Like a reverse calabash, the Peterson "well" is deliberately intended to induce condensation, and keep it away from your mouth. A standard churchwarden design has the opposite goal -- avoid condensation entirely, because it will gurgle if there are any sudden discontinuities in the airway.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 27, 2019 16:51:39 GMT -5
The great thing about a churchwarden is the ease of keeping smoke out of your eyes while reading a book.
The cooling stuff is purely mythical.
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Post by slowroll on Jan 27, 2019 16:53:46 GMT -5
Good analysis mr.Hat. appeals to the engineer in me.
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Post by desolbones on Jan 27, 2019 17:48:06 GMT -5
^^Point well made and taken, thanks
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Post by arturo7 on Jan 27, 2019 20:07:43 GMT -5
Seems to me that the stem of a churchwarden is much cooler than the bowl. So, it follows that the the smoke begins cooling once it leaves the bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 20:27:28 GMT -5
I have been kicking myself in rump for over 25 years for not grabbing a Stanwell Hans Christian Andersen set in Solvang CA. The grain was perfect and over the years have never seen another one like it. I did end up with a German Coo Koo clock that still works.
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Post by qmechanics on Jan 28, 2019 3:09:37 GMT -5
I have been kicking myself in rump for over 25 years for not grabbing a Stanwell Hans Christian Andersen set in Solvang CA. The grain was perfect and over the years have never seen another one like it. I did end up with a German Coo Koo clock that still works. Stanwell Hans Christian Andersen is one of my favorite pipes in my collection. I am on the look out for a second in the estate market at the right price. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 28, 2019 14:27:41 GMT -5
Seems to me that the stem of a churchwarden is much cooler than the bowl. So, it follows that the the smoke begins cooling once it leaves the bowl. The cooling is derived from the smoker drawing cool air through the bowl and mixing it with smoke.
Very little additional cooling is going to occur, because wood, rubber, and acrylic are all very fine insulators.
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Post by arturo7 on Jan 29, 2019 19:34:13 GMT -5
Seems to me that the stem of a churchwarden is much cooler than the bowl. So, it follows that the the smoke begins cooling once it leaves the bowl. The cooling is derived from the smoker drawing cool air through the bowl and mixing it with smoke.
Very little additional cooling is going to occur, because wood, rubber, and acrylic are all very fine insulators.
Let's agree to disagree on this topic.
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