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Post by michael on Oct 7, 2018 22:34:43 GMT -5
And is there an ingredients list?
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 7, 2018 22:41:11 GMT -5
...not certain, but I believe they are food-grade flavorings...
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 7, 2018 23:07:06 GMT -5
If you google for a specific brand name sold on the continent, you can often find government filings with EU organs and EU states with general ingredient lists.
For U.S.-specific blends, no disclosure is mandated, and naturally companies prefer to disclose nothing.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 7, 2018 23:15:02 GMT -5
Royal Yacht has granulated Michelin as a flavoring agent.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 7, 2018 23:26:43 GMT -5
Royal Yacht has granulated Michelin as a flavoring agent. Royal Yacht is known to integrate a certain amount of "foraged" "organics" from "sewers"
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Post by michael on Oct 8, 2018 1:50:36 GMT -5
My concern is smoking chemicals vs. natural flavors ..
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 8, 2018 8:47:41 GMT -5
You're smoking, so I wouldn't worry too much about the chemicals.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 8, 2018 9:15:14 GMT -5
You're smoking, so I wouldn't worry too much about the chemicals. I'm not sure there's anything you could add to tobacco that would be worse for you than tobacco.
Hydrogen cyanide?
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 8, 2018 9:21:19 GMT -5
You're smoking, so I wouldn't worry too much about the chemicals. I'm not sure there's anything you could add to tobacco that would be worse for you than tobacco.
Hydrogen cyanide?
Already in there, but nano amounts.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 8, 2018 9:33:03 GMT -5
My concern is smoking chemicals vs. natural flavors .. Are you inhaling?
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 8, 2018 10:10:33 GMT -5
You're smoking, so I wouldn't worry too much about the chemicals. I'm not sure there's anything you could add to tobacco that would be worse for you than tobacco.
Hydrogen cyanide?
Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 13:39:40 GMT -5
Strange times on BP lately when michael is the one with the most reasonable on-topic post with a legitimate question.... I jest, I jest.... I'm interested, too. The fact that we all know tobacco is not a particularly healthy substance, avoiding or minimizing potential additional risks of artificial chemical additives seems like a good thing to do. Rather than the usual BS they get up to in relation to tobacco, this is exactly the kind of thing the FDA is for, and I'd love to see ingredients lists on tobacco tins, even it's just "liquor, vinegar, natural flavorings" vs "propylene glycol, polysorbate 60, BHT, anal glands of beavers" (which is actually sometimes used as vanilla flavoring!). There's no such thing as too much information (except for when it comes to references to the mushroom guy in Mario Cart). After all, it was the British tobacco purity laws that gave us Lakelands and so many wonderful British tobaccos.... Then again, I'm a vegetarian yoga-practicing whisky-drinking pipe smoker and I know there are not many like me out there.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 8, 2018 14:22:22 GMT -5
We've entered the piping equivalent of the twilight zone, @chico.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 8, 2018 14:58:21 GMT -5
Strange times on BP lately when michael is the one with the most reasonable on-topic post with a legitimate question.... I jest, I jest.... I'm interested, too. The fact that we all know tobacco is not a particularly healthy substance, avoiding or minimizing potential additional risks of artificial chemical additives seems like a good thing to do. Rather than the usual BS they get up to in relation to tobacco, this is exactly the kind of thing the FDA is for, and I'd love to see ingredients lists on tobacco tins, even it's just "liquor, vinegar, natural flavorings" vs "propylene glycol, polysorbate 60, BHT, anal glands of beavers" (which is actually sometimes used as vanilla flavoring!). There's no such thing as too much information (except for when it comes to references to the mushroom guy in Mario Cart). After all, it was the British tobacco purity laws that gave us Lakelands and so many wonderful British tobaccos.... Then again, I'm a vegetarian yoga-practicing whisky-drinking pipe smoker and I know there are not many like me out there. The cigarette industry has spent a hundred years lobbying to be excluded from food and drug purity laws. I'd love to have ingredients lists, too, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it.
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Post by briarbuck on Oct 8, 2018 15:03:39 GMT -5
I happen to have access to hundreds of all natural flavors in powder form. Hmmmmmm....
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Post by zambini on Oct 8, 2018 22:21:18 GMT -5
Kind of making an argument for deeming regulations. The UK used to be really strict with regards to using all natural flavoring agents and most UK companies still have a reputation for using natural agents.
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Post by antb on Oct 9, 2018 1:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 9, 2018 2:00:46 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, but that's one dry f****ing read...
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Post by antb on Oct 9, 2018 2:11:25 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, but that's one dry f****ing read... I found it flavorsome and aromatic, albeit a bit dry
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Post by That Falls Guy on Oct 9, 2018 7:06:18 GMT -5
Nice post Antb! Very informative piece.
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Oct 9, 2018 12:09:54 GMT -5
My concern is smoking chemicals vs. natural flavors .. Are you concerned with the health effects of "chemicals," or do you want a "pure" tobacco experience? If you're just looking for a pure tobacco experience, good luck.I'll refer you to the words of G.L. Pease, "In fact, very few tobaccos on the market today are not cased to some extent. Casing is the process of adding sugars and flavouring agents before the leaf is further processed. The raw leaf is soaked or sprayed with a heavy solution of sugars and flavourings like liquorice, vanilla, molasses, tonquin, and so on. The amount of sauce absorbed by the leaf depends on the method of application, the structure of the leaf, and the length of time the leaf is in contact with the sauce before further processing. The leaf is then processed as usual. It can be conditioned and cut, or pressed and held to allow further fermentation. It can be heated, steamed, toasted, or just allowed to “bulk” in the atmosphere. Raw tobacco, especially burley, usually doesn't taste very good, and can have poor smoking characteristics. Very few smokers have ever experienced tobaccos that do not have SOME sort of casing applied. It's not the casing that turns smokers of “pure” tobacco off; it's the excessive use of flavourings. When used delicately, they can enhance the flavour of the tobacco itself. When used heavily, as in most American style aromatic tobaccos, they can overpower the underlying tobacco flavours. Again, almost all tobaccos sold are flavoured. Again, raw tobacco is not always the most pleasant thing to smoke, so it might need a little help. Flavourings can be applied with the casing, or after processing, in which case they are known as top-dressings. The difference is subtle, but important. Top dressings provide specific aromas in the tin, but tend to dissipate or flame off when the tobacco is smoked, or even just allowed to air out. The flavourings in the casing is deeper in the leaf, fully absorbed, and is therefore less ephemeral. As with so many things, the dose makes the poison. Just as a little salt can enhance a dish without making it salty, the right amount of flavouring can enhance the taste of the tobacco without overpowering it."
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Post by ChewsUrOwnAdventure on Oct 9, 2018 12:50:30 GMT -5
My concern is smoking chemicals vs. natural flavors .. Are you concerned with the health effects of "chemicals," or do you want a "pure" tobacco experience? If you're just looking for a pure tobacco experience, good luck.I'll refer you to the words of G.L. Pease, "In fact, very few tobaccos on the market today are not cased to some extent........" The only "pure tobacco" I've ever had was Semois and a bit of kizami. It's certainly not common, and for pretty good reason... Most people don't like tobaccos that have not been processed or artificially sweetened in some way. I miss GLP's Q&A articles, he had some many interesting answers to questions like this.
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