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Post by jeffd on Oct 16, 2018 14:43:28 GMT -5
This is a fascinating subject to me.
I have a question or two.
Would you every buy a tobacco that you don't like in the hopes (or confirmed experience) that you will like it when it is aged for a year or so?
In the world of guitars and mandolins, there is this phenomenon of "opening up" where an instrument played for a while sounds better than a brand new one. At the same time nobody would recommend buying a guitar whose sound you don't like, in the hopes you will like it in a year. (And I would shy away from a salesman who suggested it.)
Would it be a good idea if blenders started selling (and pricing) vintages. So fresh Billy Budd Blonde would cost this much, and 2016 vintage of Billy Budd Blonde would cost that much.
Would you spend extra for properly aged tobacco, over the cost of it brand new fresh?
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 16, 2018 14:53:25 GMT -5
Yes, yes and yes.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 16, 2018 14:55:18 GMT -5
No, no, and heck no.
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Post by jeffd on Oct 16, 2018 14:57:53 GMT -5
Do I hear a maybe?  |
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 16, 2018 15:00:50 GMT -5
Do I hear a maybe? and myself are stand up guys... so that would be a "maybe" indeed! |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Oct 16, 2018 15:01:16 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a really slippery slope. The obvious incentive would become for blenders to not sell anything when young. Why would you, when all you gotta do is let it sit in storage and appreciate?
I see it removing the opportunity for enthusiasts to buy (relatively) cheap tobacco and cellar it themselves, or smoke (relatively) affordable and still good tobacco fresh if desired.
I might be willing to pay more for aged tins of my favorites, but that's what the private market is for ;-).
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 16, 2018 15:02:38 GMT -5
Seriously, it's a personal choice. If you tried it, it would only take a few puffs to know the outcome.
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Post by haveldad on Oct 16, 2018 15:04:25 GMT -5
Isn't esoterica aged a bit before being shipped out in batches? Seems it is already being done if so.
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Post by jeffd on Oct 16, 2018 15:04:37 GMT -5
They do it with wine, but that's different because the tastes are different from harvest to harvest so even though its aged a wine can be from poor year and so not priced so high. Whereas I think (am I wrong) tobacco blends are pretty consistent from year to year. Perhaps not when manufacturer changes, but from normal year to normal year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 15:14:38 GMT -5
I’d never purchase a tobacco for cellaring after having a few bowls and not enjoying the smoke immediately. If I didn’t care for the blend fresh...it “ ain’t getting better with age “!!!
If I come across a blend I really enjoy smoking, and there are many, I rather stock up @ a reasonable price then pay much more if the manufacturer “ supposedly “ ages the blend for a few years. The way I’ve been cellaring has worked well for me for years, I’m NOT one for change usually!!
Example....this morning I opened a tin of G. L. Pease Westminster dated 4/2007. According to my spreadsheet I purchased this tin for $8.00 back in 2009. I have a few put aside I purchased on the “ cheap “. Today the tin would sell for three times what I paid. For me, my way works better and saves quite a bit of money down the road👌👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 15:16:50 GMT -5
Seriously, it's a personal choice. If you tried it, it would only take a few puffs to know the outcome. Martin, ABSOLUTELY....MOST POSITIVELY DEFINITELY. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 15:21:18 GMT -5
They do it with wine, but that's different because the tastes are different from harvest to harvest so even though its aged a wine can be from poor year and so not priced so high. Whereas I think (am I wrong) tobacco blends are pretty consistent from year to year. Perhaps not when manufacturer changes, but from normal year to normal year. If I drink a particular Cabernet and don’t care for the overall taste after 2 years of either cask or bottle aging, in 10 years it “ ain’t “ going to taste any better. I don’t like beef liver today....I definitely won’t like it with age as well...🤪🤪😜😜😂😂😂 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 16, 2018 15:23:42 GMT -5
Do I hear a maybe? and myself are stand up guys... so that would be a "maybe" indeed! Exactly. You asked what we would want to pay for. Extremely individual choices. |
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Post by briarbuck on Oct 16, 2018 15:24:12 GMT -5
I look at things from the manufacturer, becasue that's what I do. One issue is that to give true benefit to "aged tobacco" it must be stored in the same container that would go on the retailers shelf. Cigar makers age their tobacco, but their product isn't in a air tight container.
Here are the questions I would ask:
What is the interest on carrying finished goods for up to X number of years?
How much will this affect my cash flow?
What is my potential markup? 1.5X? 2X?
What is the chance that my aged finished goods will be illegal to sell in 5 years?
I think those factors would keep almost anyone out of selling aged product. You'd need deep pockets.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 16, 2018 15:24:51 GMT -5
They do it with wine, but that's different because the tastes are different from harvest to harvest so even though its aged a wine can be from poor year and so not priced so high. Whereas I think (am I wrong) tobacco blends are pretty consistent from year to year. Perhaps not when manufacturer changes, but from normal year to normal year. If I drink a particular Cabernet and don’t care for the overall taste after 2 years of either cask or bottle aging, in 10 years it “ ain’t “ going to taste any better. I don’t like beef liver today....I definitely won’t like it with age as well...🤪🤪😜😜😂😂😂 Steak improves with a little age. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 15:30:28 GMT -5
If I drink a particular Cabernet and don’t care for the overall taste after 2 years of either cask or bottle aging, in 10 years it “ ain’t “ going to taste any better. I don’t like beef liver today....I definitely won’t like it with age as well...🤪🤪😜😜😂😂😂 Steak improves with a little age. Most definitely 👍. However, if it’s a cut of steak you don’t care to eat fresh, with it aged would make it a cut of beef with age I still don’t care to eat....lol. |
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Post by jeffd on Oct 16, 2018 16:52:50 GMT -5
I look at things from the manufacturer, becasue that's what I do. One issue is that to give true benefit to "aged tobacco" it must be stored in the same container that would go on the retailers shelf. Cigar makers age their tobacco, but their product isn't in a air tight container. Here are the questions I would ask: What is the interest on carrying finished goods for up to X number of years? How much will this affect my cash flow? What is my potential markup? 1.5X? 2X? What is the chance that my aged finished goods will be illegal to sell in 5 years? I think those factors would keep almost anyone out of selling aged product. You'd need deep pockets. You ask some excellent questions. I might work backwards, and figure out what kind of markup would break even with the "investment" from cash flow, and then make some judgement about whether I could sell the aged tins for that much. As to the chances of the tobaccapocalypse in five years, well who knows. That is for a different thread. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 16, 2018 17:07:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure I buy the whole "aging tobacco" thing, but vintage tobacco could be really cool.
Selling specific tinned "vintages" at varying prices would give blenders a reason to be extremely specific about blending choices made year to year, to explain why one year was better than another.
to make the comparison to wine, the bottles are not sold on a vintage basis because wine uniformly gets better with one more or less year of age. They're sold by vintage because some years are remarkably better than others, and the bottles from years with unusually good harvests go for more than similarly-old bottles from less-remarkable years.
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Post by Butch Cassidy on Oct 16, 2018 17:07:59 GMT -5
NO.......
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Post by desolbones on Oct 16, 2018 17:32:32 GMT -5
There was once a goose that laid a golden egg....
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Post by slowroll on Oct 16, 2018 18:02:21 GMT -5
From my point of view, I'd rather buy the tobac I like fresh at a reasonable price, then age it myself if I so desire. Don't want the vendor setting the aged price, they have overhead and burden to consider, I don't.
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Post by beardedmi on Oct 16, 2018 22:02:49 GMT -5
Ive bought aged blends from my tobaccanist. Yes I paid a premium for a blend I liked young. Would I trust a blending house and spend the same money. Absolutely not. I'm willing to spend some cash for aged blends if I know or trust the source for a fairly known quantity.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 17, 2018 0:33:00 GMT -5
- Yes
- Maybe for boredom's sake
- Maybe if I were in my golden years and really loved a certain age on my tobacco that I had ran out of and didn't really have the time to age more myself.
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Post by zambini on Oct 17, 2018 1:45:44 GMT -5
They do it with wine, but that's different because the tastes are different from harvest to harvest so even though its aged a wine can be from poor year and so not priced so high. Whereas I think (am I wrong) tobacco blends are pretty consistent from year to year. Perhaps not when manufacturer changes, but from normal year to normal year. If I drink a particular Cabernet and don’t care for the overall taste after 2 years of either cask or bottle aging, in 10 years it “ ain’t “ going to taste any better. I don’t like beef liver today....I definitely won’t like it with age as well...🤪🤪😜😜😂😂😂 MMMM....beef liver, yum. |
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