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Post by mwps70 on Nov 4, 2018 22:13:42 GMT -5
I have been smoking a pipe since about 2006. I can remember when Esoterica was in a cream bag and pretty easy to get and if it wasn't in stock you could basically preorder from P&C and receive it within a few weeks. Now I realize pipe smoking has been around for a long time and so have blends and blend scarcity. Since I am still a relatively young smoker, for those of you that have much more experience, with all of the regulations, retirement of quality tobacco companies and a general lack of stock (Samuel Gawith) is there a point where you have gone from stocking a cellar of your favorite blends to age and smoke to stocking because it could go a way, a survival mode per say? Maybe this has been talked about and I apologize if it has. I just have personally went from slowly grabbing blends that I know that I love to feeling an urgency to try to quickly find blends that I love and quick stock. Maybe that should be the title...Quick Stocking. I do understand that some of your cellars are quite extensive but just as a general observation do you feel the need to do some quick stocking now or is this still just a regular ebb and flow of the hobby?
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Nov 4, 2018 22:35:58 GMT -5
… like the thread Dino posted on 3 Dunhill tins on eBay...I've smoked a pipe for 58 years now and I've enjoyed many fine tobaccos...I refuse to rush out and spend what these prices reflect just to have what's left...rather, it has always been a journey...and will continue to be for me...yes, I miss many of those tobaccos but new tobaccos arrive almost daily and some become replacements for those lost to the ages...
… like the re-creations...most don't really come very close to the originals...and can't. so, I order here and there not to try and re-live what's in the past but what the present offers...
… I would stock only what you really enjoy...I've seen too many times that smokers with hundreds of tins, simply will never finish...
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 4, 2018 22:50:09 GMT -5
… like the thread Dino posted on 3 Dunhill tins on eBay...I've smoked a pipe for 58 years now and I've enjoyed many fine tobaccos...I refuse to rush out and spend what these prices reflect just to have what's left...rather, it has always been a journey...and will continue to be for me...yes, I miss many of those tobaccos but new tobaccos arrive almost daily and some become replacements for those lost to the ages...
… like the re-creations...most don't really come very close to the originals...and can't. so, I order here and there not to try and re-live what's in the past but what the present offers...
… I would stock only what you really enjoy...I've seen too many times that smokers with hundreds of tins, simply will never finish... Very true but with the upcoming regulations and the possibility of loosing many good blends and all at once, is there a bit more urgency?
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 4, 2018 23:07:04 GMT -5
… like the thread Dino posted on 3 Dunhill tins on eBay...I've smoked a pipe for 58 years now and I've enjoyed many fine tobaccos...I refuse to rush out and spend what these prices reflect just to have what's left...rather, it has always been a journey...and will continue to be for me...yes, I miss many of those tobaccos but new tobaccos arrive almost daily and some become replacements for those lost to the ages...
… like the re-creations...most don't really come very close to the originals...and can't. so, I order here and there not to try and re-live what's in the past but what the present offers...
… I would stock only what you really enjoy...I've seen too many times that smokers with hundreds of tins, simply will never finish... Very true but with the upcoming regulations and the possibility of loosing many good blends and all at once, is there a bit more urgency? No
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Nov 4, 2018 23:16:07 GMT -5
I amassed a small cellar of a few hundred tins while I worked at Smokers Haven many years ago. A few years ago I sold them all to purchase an industrial sewing machine because that was more important. Now I really only smoke ODF and seem to go through it faster than I can buy it. If you can collect a lot of blends you cannot do without then by all means do so. It will not be a bad investment but I would not spend any precious time worrying about it. Enjoy what you have now.
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 4, 2018 23:20:39 GMT -5
I amassed a small cellar of a few hundred tins while I worked at Smokers Haven many years ago. A few years ago I sold them all to purchase an industrial sewing machine because that was more important. Now I really only smoke ODF and seem to go through it faster than I can buy it. If you can collect a lot of blends you cannot do without then by all means do so. It will not be a bad investment but I would not spend any precious time worrying about it. Enjoy what you have now. I just meant this as a state of the union I guess. I am fine with what I have and I have a reasonable plan as to what I plan to yet cellar. Just more of a comparison to times in the past and the general ebb and flow of the hobby.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 4, 2018 23:32:22 GMT -5
I amassed a small cellar of a few hundred tins while I worked at Smokers Haven many years ago. A few years ago I sold them all to purchase an industrial sewing machine because that was more important. Now I really only smoke ODF and seem to go through it faster than I can buy it. If you can collect a lot of blends you cannot do without then by all means do so. It will not be a bad investment but I would not spend any precious time worrying about it. Enjoy what you have now. I just meant this as a state of the union I guess. I am fine with what I have and I have a reasonable plan as to what I plan to yet cellar. Just more of a comparison to times in the past and the general ebb and flow of the hobby. There have been various doomsday, end-is-near, tobacco apocalypse cries over the years. I learned to roll my eyes at the chicken-little hysteria and also learned to roll with the punches. Pipe-smoking is for relaxation. If it becomes a source of worry, what's the point?
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Post by peteguy on Nov 5, 2018 0:06:39 GMT -5
My cellar is to smoke, trade or gift. It is deeper than I ever thought it would be because of how quickly stuff goes out of stock these days. I would love to walk down to the corner and buy a tin of whatever I wanted to smoke that week but those days are long gone. Hell, my local B&M gouges on Esoterica to the tune of 3x what you can buy it for online. I say stock up when and while you can. It seems it is only getting worse.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 5, 2018 0:09:07 GMT -5
I amassed a small cellar of a few hundred tins while I worked at Smokers Haven many years ago. A few years ago I sold them all to purchase an industrial sewing machine because that was more important. Now I really only smoke ODF and seem to go through it faster than I can buy it. If you can collect a lot of blends you cannot do without then by all means do so. It will not be a bad investment but I would not spend any precious time worrying about it. Enjoy what you have now. I just meant this as a state of the union I guess. I am fine with what I have and I have a reasonable plan as to what I plan to yet cellar. Just more of a comparison to times in the past and the general ebb and flow of the hobby. The state of pipe tobacco is not quite as bad as the state of the union.
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 5, 2018 0:10:14 GMT -5
I just meant this as a state of the union I guess. I am fine with what I have and I have a reasonable plan as to what I plan to yet cellar. Just more of a comparison to times in the past and the general ebb and flow of the hobby. The state of pipe tobacco is not quite as bad as the state of the union. Amen
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Post by Screaming Jazz on Nov 5, 2018 2:58:16 GMT -5
When I learned of HH Vintage Syrian's fate I bought a lot of it up. I don't regret it. I bought it all at retail price though. If I was late to the party I would not have bought any for the secondary market prices discontinue blends go for. While my stash is big, it will run it eventually. It won't last me the rest of my life, sadly. I'm okay with that. I'm just not ready to say goodbye to the blend now. Maybe after smoking near 4lbs of it I will be. I don't see anything wrong with stocking your cellar with a discontinued blend. That is an long as you aren't paying secondary market prices. If you want to hold onto a blend for a little longer there ain't nothing wrong. As for stockpiling blends that aren't discontinued, but are always sold out. I say buy as much of it as you can in one purchase. Competing in the rat race to score ""rare"" blends is agonizing. I had a nightmare about it once. No joke. That's why I say buy as much as possible in one go. If you really like a blend and you know that you'll smoke a tin or two of it in the next 1-2 months go for a few more tins. This will cut down on how many times you have to watch and wait for drops. Less stress in the long run. Just make sure you aren't spending money you shouldn't be spending on tobacco to get ""rare"" blends. because that causes lots of stress.
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 5, 2018 8:04:47 GMT -5
I have been smoking a pipe since about 2006. I can remember when Esoterica was in a cream bag and pretty easy to get and if it wasn't in stock you could basically preorder from P&C and receive it within a few weeks. Now I realize pipe smoking has been around for a long time and so have blends and blend scarcity. Since I am still a relatively young smoker, for those of you that have much more experience, with all of the regulations, retirement of quality tobacco companies and a general lack of stock (Samuel Gawith) is there a point where you have gone from stocking a cellar of your favorite blends to age and smoke to stocking because it could go a way, a survival mode per say? Maybe this has been talked about and I apologize if it has. I just have personally went from slowly grabbing blends that I know that I love to feeling an urgency to try to quickly find blends that I love and quick stock. Maybe that should be the title...Quick Stocking. I do understand that some of your cellars are quite extensive but just as a general observation do you feel the need to do some quick stocking now or is this still just a regular ebb and flow of the hobby? I'm not stockpiling, per se, but I do buy 1 tin per month and will do up to the point when the price is too much to justify. Then, I'll hopefully have enough to do me the rest of my life. If not, I'll be on to the oregano, basil, tea, cut grass - whatever burns and I can put in my pipe.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 5, 2018 8:13:28 GMT -5
The state of pipe tobacco is not quite as bad as the state of the union. Amen Double Amen.. Tobacco will never be cheaper than it is today...you may not find what you want in a couple years without spending LARGE money to get it. I'm retired...which for me means very little money to spend on non-essentials like tobacco. So, I stocked up on my McClellands, Dunhill, and other brands I like to smoke. Now I don't have to be concerned about having tobacco for the rest of my life....I got it. I can gift it, sell it, smoke it, stuff it up my...well you get the idea. If I was you and a younger person, I would be stocking up if I cared about not having a particular brand that I liked or unable to spend the money for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 8:15:17 GMT -5
… like the thread Dino posted on 3 Dunhill tins on eBay...I've smoked a pipe for 58 years now and I've enjoyed many fine tobaccos...I refuse to rush out and spend what these prices reflect just to have what's left...rather, it has always been a journey...and will continue to be for me...yes, I miss many of those tobaccos but new tobaccos arrive almost daily and some become replacements for those lost to the ages...
… like the re-creations...most don't really come very close to the originals...and can't. so, I order here and there not to try and re-live what's in the past but what the present offers...
… I would stock only what you really enjoy...I've seen too many times that smokers with hundreds of tins, simply will never finish... Very true but with the upcoming regulations and the possibility of loosing many good blends and all at once, is there a bit more urgency? What Peter stated is very true. My advice to you is stock up now, build your cellar with your favorites within the next year or so......that to me would definitely be an urgency.
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 5, 2018 9:28:39 GMT -5
I have never considered pipe smoking a hobby. I'm a smoker. The 200+ pounds of tobacco in my closet that have grown over the past thirty years was never put there for the sake of aging, I just realized years ago that tobacco prices are going to constantly rise and I wanted to buy as much as possible while I could still afford it. No urgency felt here. For every blend that disappears, there's ten more to choose from.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 5, 2018 9:36:01 GMT -5
I have never considered pipe smoking a hobby. I'm a smoker. The 200+ pounds of tobacco in my closet that have grown over the past thirty years was never put there for the sake of aging, I just realized years ago that tobacco prices are going to constantly rise and I wanted to buy as much as possible while I could still afford it. No urgency felt here. For every blend that disappears, there's ten more to choose from....and there it is, folks. Unless, you have an affinity for McClelland blends...not sure you are gonna find a replacement that is close to exact...but, it would not be the first time I was dead wrong. More times than I want to admit to.
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 5, 2018 9:42:17 GMT -5
I have never considered pipe smoking a hobby. I'm a smoker. The 200+ pounds of tobacco in my closet that have grown over the past thirty years was never put there for the sake of aging, I just realized years ago that tobacco prices are going to constantly rise and I wanted to buy as much as possible while I could still afford it. No urgency felt here. For every blend that disappears, there's ten more to choose from....and there it is, folks. Unless, you have an affinity for McClelland blends...not sure you are gonna find a replacement that is close to exact...but, it would not be the first time I was dead wrong. More times than I want to admit to. I enjoy McClelland and still smoke them regularly but they are what they are. Once gone, I'll remember them fondly but there's still a lot of tobacco that I enjoy that doesn't have a whale on the label.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 5, 2018 9:43:38 GMT -5
So true! Condor is about the only thing I am really gonna miss. Just love that taste.
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Post by haveldad on Nov 5, 2018 10:00:43 GMT -5
The most important thing here is the opportunity for making money! But in reality just buy what you like, try not to pay the crazy prices. If you wanna try something hard to find someone will likely hook you up. I got an ounce of Stonehaven from a gent here literally just out of his kindness.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Nov 5, 2018 10:05:18 GMT -5
The FDA Deeming Regs certainly changed the landscape as it signals a significant loss of blends in the not too distant future. Loss of Federal subsidies to tobacco farmers is also affecting the tobacco market from both a quantitative as well as qualitative standpoint. Add to that the growing demand for premium tobaccos from Asia and you have several factors affecting the pipe tobacco market.
Tobacco companies come and go. McClelland isn't the first, nor the most noteworthy, and it won't be the last. Funny how few talked about McClelland tobaccos before they closed up shop, and now people can't stop talking about them. Dunhill stopped making tobaccos 30+ years ago. Same with Sobranie, Ardath, and a host of premium blenders.
Is the sky falling? No, but it is becoming a little less blue. So if there are certain blends that you like that are on the endangered species list, put some away for a later day. Just keep in mind that there will still be a lot of choices, certainly more than were available to me when I started out 47 years ago. So panic is not in order, but stocking a prudent reserve is not a bad idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 10:13:39 GMT -5
My cellar is to smoke, trade or gift. It is deeper than I ever thought it would be because of how quickly stuff goes out of stock these days. I would love to walk down to the corner and buy a tin of whatever I wanted to smoke that week but those days are long gone. Hell, my local B&M gouges on Esoterica to the tune of 3x what you can buy it for online. I say stock up when and while you can. It seems it is only getting worse. I agree with peteguy. I began stocking up a long long time ago. I originally cellared a lot of pipe tobacco to age it (one tin to smoke, two to cellar, rinse, spin and repeat...) and as a hedge against increasing prices, in preparation for my retirement. I've been retired 10 years now. In my cellar,which is ample, I've got blends that I love that have either disappeared or are disappearing fast from the market or are so difficult to find that they've virtually disappeared, for all intents and purpose. I only speak for myself, but every time I smoke one of these now rare or extinct blends I can only feel happy that I stocked up slowly but surely on each of them.
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Post by priest2705 on Dec 10, 2018 10:04:44 GMT -5
As a fairly new smoker, I find myself wondering what I'm missing out on with the brands that have disappeared, such as McClelland and Dunhill. I refuse to spend the astronomical eBay prices to find out, unfortunately. I also look at the Esoterica blends, especially Penzance, hear or read the reviews, and wonder whether getting on the waiting lists at SP and P&C is worth it. I struggle in that I see tobaccos that I'm sure that I'll enjoy that are in stock and I budget for them, but also yearn to try the unobtanium blends and wonder whether I should dip into the tobacco budget to set aside money for them when they become available, holding off on other blends in the meantime
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Post by 5star on Dec 10, 2018 10:31:52 GMT -5
There’s probably a lot of aged tobacco out there sitting in fellows personal cellars. As they leave pipesmoking, for whatever reasons, that tobacco will be available to buyers (hopefully). Some have mentioned having very impressive cellars with more tobacco than they will ever be able to smoke in their remaining lifetime. Of course, there will likely be a premium to pay. But, at least some of the cherished blends will likely be obtainable.
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Post by Mac on Dec 10, 2018 11:08:38 GMT -5
As a fairly new smoker, I find myself wondering what I'm missing out on with the brands that have disappeared, such as McClelland and Dunhill. I refuse to spend the astronomical eBay prices to find out, unfortunately. I also look at the Esoterica blends, especially Penzance, hear or read the reviews, and wonder whether getting on the waiting lists at SP and P&C is worth it. I struggle in that I see tobaccos that I'm sure that I'll enjoy that are in stock and I budget for them, but also yearn to try the unobtanium blends and wonder whether I should dip into the tobacco budget to set aside money for them when they become available, holding off on other blends in the meantime I'd say it is not worth fretting over. There are hundreds of very good blends out of many thousand available. If you have money and time on your hands, sure go after some of the rare stuff. But build a cellar out of what's reasonable now.
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Post by priest2705 on Dec 10, 2018 11:23:57 GMT -5
As a fairly new smoker, I find myself wondering what I'm missing out on with the brands that have disappeared, such as McClelland and Dunhill. I refuse to spend the astronomical eBay prices to find out, unfortunately. I also look at the Esoterica blends, especially Penzance, hear or read the reviews, and wonder whether getting on the waiting lists at SP and P&C is worth it. I struggle in that I see tobaccos that I'm sure that I'll enjoy that are in stock and I budget for them, but also yearn to try the unobtanium blends and wonder whether I should dip into the tobacco budget to set aside money for them when they become available, holding off on other blends in the meantime I'd say it is not worth fretting over. There are hundreds of very good blends out of many thousand available. If you have money and time on your hands, sure go after some of the rare stuff. But build a cellar out of what's reasonable now. That's what I'm thinking, stock the future cellar with blends that are currently available, with the rare occasional foray into the extinct blends
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Post by Baboo on Dec 10, 2018 11:35:09 GMT -5
I will continue my search to stock up on the Irish-made Condor Plug, McCranie's Red Flake, and pre-2000 Bell's Three Nuns (VaPer)... that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 11:58:08 GMT -5
I grab a tin or this and that and have around 70+. Did buy 2 sleeves of Dunhill Nightcap. I missed the boat on stocking up on FM an FMOTT when that bad news hit. Right now I'm in rapid bulk sampling to figure out what I like, don't like and things that will age or blend well. Working on some personal blends. A few I really like and can get the components at a good price. On my list of to-do's is try my hand and making ropes next summer.
Right now my cellar, 17 lbs, will take care of me for 2 years if the world ends. Looking to add a lot of bulk options in the mix since I can get more bang for the buck. I just keep eyeballing sales and plan on steady purchases this coming year to build the cellar.
If you subscribe to tobaccpocolypse or not you can bet it isn't going to get cheaper. FDA, California's goofy law under consideration, taxes . . . it's isn't a positive trend for the hobby.
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Post by AJ on Dec 10, 2018 12:11:03 GMT -5
I started building my cellar in 2012. It contains a good variety of blends from all genres of tobacco that I enjoy. My good friend Walt followed my advice and now we both have enough tobacco to last the rest of our lives even if we live another 30 years. We had the foresight to see the coming regulations and the possibility of some blends becoming unavailable. Most of our cellar was purchased before 2016 and we took advantage of sales on the blends we enjoy. While we may occasionally buy a tin or two of some new offering, neither of us have worry should all tobacco suddenly disappear from the market. I would encourage anyone that hasn’t begun stashing some of their favorite blends to do so. In California a bill has been introduced that forbids the sale of all flavored tobacco. That language encompasses most tobacco and I wonder how long before the FDA drops something like this in our laps. They are already moving to restrict sales of menthol flavored tobacco products. In my opinion the FDA will not stop until it has barred all tobacco products from being sold in the US.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Dec 10, 2018 15:34:26 GMT -5
I enjoy watching my cellar grow at a moderate pace. There are a few bulks that I really enjoy and I have stocked up 4-5 lbs of each. Not because I fear the end of tobacco but because I had the spare money to buy it. They are blends that I would be happy smoking if nothing else was available. Luckily that is not the case.
The only tins I have a quantity of are Nightcap, and even that is not very many.
My "cellar" is somewhere around 15-20 lbs of bulk and about 30 tins. The tins, other than nightcap, are just blends that I wanted to try and rounded off my orders for free shipping. I'll get to them in time, IF I dont give them away. The ones I like, I'm sure I'll buy more of whenever they become available again. If they dont, I still have my favorites to fall back on.
If I had a GOOD B&M I probably wouldnt have so much accumulated. As others said, it would be nice to go down town and pick up a tin or 2 of whatever I wanted to smoke for the week.
Prices WILL go up, people WILL consider tobacco to be the worst health risk. I will continue to buy more of what I like, but it's not something I'm going to "sell the farm" for.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Dec 10, 2018 16:28:57 GMT -5
I started building my cellar in 2012. It contains a good variety of blends from all genres of tobacco that I enjoy. My good friend Walt followed my advice and now we both have enough tobacco to last the rest of our lives even if we live another 30 years. We had the foresight to see the coming regulations and the possibility of some blends becoming unavailable. Most of our cellar was purchased before 2016 and we took advantage of sales on the blends we enjoy. While we may occasionally buy a tin or two of some new offering, neither of us have worry should all tobacco suddenly disappear from the market. I would encourage anyone that hasn’t begun stashing some of their favorite blends to do so. In California a bill has been introduced that forbids the sale of all flavored tobacco. That language encompasses most tobacco and I wonder how long before the FDA drops something like this in our laps. They are already moving to restrict sales of menthol flavored tobacco products. In my opinion the FDA will not stop until it has barred all tobacco products from being sold in the US. AJ ^^^^^What AJ said. I'm retired and don't have the coin to spend any longer on tobacco...so when an emergency arises, I pack my stuff up in tubs and carry it with me...cause in my mind it is cash should I need it.
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