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Post by puffy on Nov 13, 2018 16:53:36 GMT -5
A study I just read about says that in the future folks will be having sex in self driving cars while they're going some place..Who said technology is bad?
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 13, 2018 17:12:13 GMT -5
Gives a new meaning to hands free.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 13, 2018 18:21:09 GMT -5
I read a study where they believe that it will make financially more sense for most to not to own a personal autonomous car, you summon it to your door and hop in it and pay for what you use.
I would hate to get into a car where two people just made the beast with two backs.
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Post by slowroll on Nov 13, 2018 18:31:53 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed.
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Post by arturo7 on Nov 13, 2018 19:56:14 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed.
This is a good point, but humans are prone to errors as well. An automated car will never fall asleep at the wheel.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 13, 2018 20:00:44 GMT -5
My son started work at Waymo as a sceptic, and is now convinced that the computers do a far superior job than he could ever have imagined.
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Post by slowroll on Nov 13, 2018 20:10:16 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed.
This is a good point, but humans are prone to errors as well. An automated car will never fall asleep at the wheel.
No, but it will misinterpret shadows and glare, among other things. Too many variables. And heuristic programming will kill people. |
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Post by slowroll on Nov 13, 2018 20:19:02 GMT -5
My son started work at Waymo as a sceptic, and is now convinced that the computers do a far superior job than he could ever have imagined. Computers do a fine job on known bounded problems. Problems of unknown bounds and chaotic systems are a different story. Bear in mind, computers only do what the programmers think of. I used to work in the semiconductor business, and everything was designed by computer models. That was easy compared to autonomous driving. When we forgot or didn't know something, it just cost us another 3 months. Nobody got killed. All programs are developed by the SWAG and "whoops, shite" method. |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Nov 13, 2018 21:10:27 GMT -5
Gives a new meaning to hands free. or does it? |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Nov 13, 2018 21:21:01 GMT -5
I heard about this on the radio this morning (Lex and Terry). Instead of the "mile high club," it's the "55 club."
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 13, 2018 21:34:27 GMT -5
I wish a pox on any person affiliated with making these a reality.
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Post by Robert Perkins on Nov 13, 2018 22:27:57 GMT -5
I don't know. All I can think of is that Will Smith movie I,ROBOT and artificial intelligence run amuck.
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Post by just ol ed on Nov 13, 2018 23:38:12 GMT -5
I've never owned a vehicle without the "third pedal", never would. Having to use a "loaner" or rental car bad enuf. I would put left foot down as if there were a clutch pedal, move the shift lever thru the gears when I want to, not when a &(_+* machine decides to. Would like a manual window crank if possible
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 13, 2018 23:58:37 GMT -5
I've never owned a vehicle without the "third pedal", never would. Having to use a "loaner" or rental car bad enuf. I would put left foot down as if there were a clutch pedal, move the shift lever thru the gears when I want to, not when a &(_+* machine decides to. Would like a manual window crank if possible Ed Duncan, Batavia, NY I have to drive automatics.. When I had my spinal injury the nerves along the front of my left leg that facilitate lifting the foot never woke back up. Really sucks because there are plenty of old cars I'd love to own- Not to mention motorcycles. |
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Post by arturo7 on Nov 14, 2018 0:57:17 GMT -5
This is a good point, but humans are prone to errors as well. An automated car will never fall asleep at the wheel.
No, but it will misinterpret shadows and glare, among other things. Too many variables. And heuristic programming will kill people. There is certainly room for improvement, and improvement will be made. It will be far safer than human driving in 10 years. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 14, 2018 4:36:05 GMT -5
I agree with slowroll. Computers an do a great job, but only with the information that we give them. And it's very hard to think of every eventuality without leaving something out. And how do the computers update themselves when these new eventualities are realised? And what happens if they don't update. That said, even given all that, while there may be a few hiccups (which could include fatalities) while this is being refined, there may be much much less fatalities than there currently is from human error. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Nov 14, 2018 6:50:23 GMT -5
I've never owned a vehicle without the "third pedal", never would. Having to use a "loaner" or rental car bad enuf. I would put left foot down as if there were a clutch pedal, move the shift lever thru the gears when I want to, not when a &(_+* machine decides to. Would like a manual window crank if possible Ed Duncan, Batavia, NY I agree 100% my little car is a manual. When I get in someone else's car to drive, I move my left leg up and then stomp on the floor before remembering that not every car is a stick. Power windows are CRAP. I wish I could convert mine. |
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Post by kirk13 on Nov 14, 2018 7:22:23 GMT -5
'Thou shall not creat a computer in the image of the human mind'
Frank Herbert
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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 14, 2018 7:31:00 GMT -5
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Post by puffy on Nov 14, 2018 10:41:32 GMT -5
I remember when A fella walked in where a group of us were working.He told us that some day robots would be doing our jobs.We laughed at him..20 years later,,,Guess What.
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Post by briarbuck on Nov 14, 2018 10:51:57 GMT -5
I used to be against cars driven by computers.
Then they invented texting.
Today I think that most people shouldn't even get behind the wheel.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 14, 2018 11:03:38 GMT -5
I remember when A fella walked in where a group of us were working.He told us that some day robots would be doing our jobs.We laughed at him..20 years later,,,Guess What. What I said not long ago.... then a guy that is a who’s who in the commercial transportation sector announced that it would happen. The race is on in the commercial autonomated trucks, and for the long haul loads they have already done several cross country trips with no problems. |
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Post by haveldad on Nov 14, 2018 11:14:38 GMT -5
I can't wait to bang one out while riding to wally world. The future is now.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 14, 2018 11:56:46 GMT -5
I prefer my lil ole truck with me doing the driving...I'll accept my own screw ups not someone else's
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Post by toshtego on Nov 14, 2018 12:12:51 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed. Perhaps in cities and towns with dedicated routes improved for that purpose and restricted? Certainly mixing them with human operated vehicles is more complicated. |
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Post by kirk13 on Nov 14, 2018 12:48:22 GMT -5
In the original Jurrasic Park,Michael Creighton puts forward this thought (through the voice of Ian Malcom): In the rush to see if you could do it,you never stopped to ask should we do it! The real issue is removing responsibility from incredible yet flawed humans to flawed yet apparently incredible machines. Rather than improving the skills and discipline of humans(improving the breed if you will),we are hiding behind statistics and the quest for the almighty (insert the currency of choice here),and weakening our species and civilisation further. Just as replacing production line workers with robots,the quest for 'profit and efficiency' is creating ever greater problems in our civilisation. Here's the thing...if you can't drive safely,on your own merits,you don't deserve to drive! If the computers and robots remove the responsibility from their so called masters,you weaken the humans. Sorry,sermon over. I'll be on my front step smoking a pipe  |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Nov 14, 2018 12:50:07 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed. I think you're right, until the day when artificial intelligence reaches a level where a computer's on-the-fly judgement and interpretation of often-incomplete data is equal to that of the average human. I think the same thing applies to the concept of single-pilot flight decks in transport aircraft... I don't expect to see it in my lifetime, or at least for the remaining 20 years of my career, but I'm not sure it's hundreds of years in the future, either. This is an area of rapid advancements. If/when that day comes, when AI judgement is equal to that of a human, then I think self - driving cars will be safer than human drivers. They'll be operated by an entity with equal judgement, but far superior reaction time and resistance to common errors, as well as zero susceptibility to the things that can degrade a normally safe driver into an unsafe one (fatigue, illness, distractions etc.) Who knows, maybe AI will never get to that point. We sure aren't there now, and today's crop of autonomous cars prove you right, with the high - profile accidents they've caused. But maybe interesting times ahead... |
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Post by slowroll on Nov 14, 2018 13:34:27 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed. Perhaps in cities and towns with dedicated routes improved for that purpose and restricted? Certainly mixing them with human operated vehicles is more complicated. Dedicated routes could work, but how can they be door to door? It would be like trains and buses, need to drive manually to the AI car route. And can you imagine the nanny state-ism in setting them up? "The urge to do good is usually (always?) A front for the urge to control humanity." --H.L. Mencken |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 14, 2018 14:53:58 GMT -5
At least no one's trying to invent "Self Smoking Pipes".
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