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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 15:46:15 GMT -5
I've never owned a vehicle without the "third pedal", never would. Having to use a "loaner" or rental car bad enuf. I would put left foot down as if there were a clutch pedal, move the shift lever thru the gears when I want to, not when a &(_+* machine decides to. Would like a manual window crank if possible Ed Duncan, Batavia, NY I have to drive automatics.. When I had my spinal injury the nerves along the front of my left leg that facilitate lifting the foot never woke back up. Really sucks because there are plenty of old cars I'd love to own- Not to mention motorcycles. Honda makes 2 models with automatic transmissions. Plus I have a friend with no legs that rides his non auto Gold Wing 100k miles every year with adapters. I like a standard if I didn't have to drive in Houston traffic. The 8 speed auto in my truck is amazing. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 15:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 15:49:40 GMT -5
This is a good point, but humans are prone to errors as well. An automated car will never fall asleep at the wheel.
No, but it will misinterpret shadows and glare, among other things. Too many variables. And heuristic programming will kill people. Those particular issues can be handled by sonar and lidar. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 15:52:48 GMT -5
I remember when A fella walked in where a group of us were working.He told us that some day robots would be doing our jobs.We laughed at him..20 years later,,,Guess What. I fixed computers. That job is not going away soon. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 15:55:14 GMT -5
I remember when A fella walked in where a group of us were working.He told us that some day robots would be doing our jobs.We laughed at him..20 years later,,,Guess What. What I said not long ago.... then a guy that is a who’s who in the commercial transportation sector announced that it would happen. The race is on in the commercial autonomated trucks, and for the long haul loads they have already done several cross country trips with no problems. I would love a vehicle that only automated I-10. I-20, I-35,and I-40 too. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 16:19:52 GMT -5
The answer will be one computer system to control all vehicles. Of course, it will not want to allow all people to go where they want when they want. Then Skynet gets schizophrenia and Terminator.
Then we rebel and crash the system and all die because we we can no longer operate the vehicles. Humanity starves and dies off. Except for Moreauville Louisiana, where they just recently heard about the Great Depression.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 14, 2018 20:47:43 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I thought I was going to have to quit driving because of confusion caused by my blood pressure meds. Dumped the meds and the cardiologist and all good now. However, the wife and I are looking to the future when we can no longer drive as we do now.
We would probably drain the 401k to get a self driving car so that we can continue to travel for a few more years. Hate to fly anymore, and planes and trains don't go to all the places we want to see anyway.
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Post by slowroll on Nov 14, 2018 22:33:39 GMT -5
No, but it will misinterpret shadows and glare, among other things. Too many variables. And heuristic programming will kill people. Those particular issues can be handled by sonar and lidar. The info coming in from the sonar and lidar have to be interpreted by the programs written by people. They are not likely to think of all conflicting possibilities to program in. All my years in engineering taught me that. And the bigger the committee, the less likely it is. |
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Post by Baboo on Nov 15, 2018 1:21:10 GMT -5
Why not just put cars on road and highway GPS-GUIDED electronic tracks? Input the destination and away we go.. "look ma, no hands!". BUT, EVERY vehicle on the road or highway must be automated this way... no human-driven variables.
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 15, 2018 11:55:02 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I thought I was going to have to quit driving because of confusion caused by my blood pressure meds. Dumped the meds and the cardiologist and all good now. However, the wife and I are looking to the future when we can no longer drive as we do now. We would probably drain the 401k to get a self driving car so that we can continue to travel for a few more years. Hate to fly anymore, and planes and trains don't go to all the places we want to see anyway. You'll have to get the boat to Ireland. |
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Nov 15, 2018 18:08:09 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed. having used personal computing devices since the 80s I have never once used an electronic device that did not fail at some point. I am not sure I would want to rely solely on a computer on the freeway. |
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Nov 15, 2018 18:10:55 GMT -5
I remember when A fella walked in where a group of us were working.He told us that some day robots would be doing our jobs.We laughed at him..20 years later,,,Guess What. I fixed computers. That job is not going away soon. that is true but many other jobs will |
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Post by slowroll on Nov 15, 2018 18:56:16 GMT -5
On a heavier note,given my past life as an electronic engineer, I think autonomous cars will never work reliably. Too many variables and subtlies in driving. A bit like socialism versus free markets. No one, or no committee, can think of all possible independent and dependant variables in a chaotic system to ensure error free operation. Like computer models -- they don't work until tested against reality multiple times until all the "whoops, shite, I forgot" problems are fixed. having used personal computing devices since the 80s I have never once used an electronic device that did not fail at some point. I am not sure I would want to rely solely on a computer on the freeway. Yeah, what happens when your car gives you the "blue screen of death" just before a traffic light? Having been a hardware engineer, I noticed that software causes most failures. Programs are never debugged. The time between finding the bugs just gets longer. When it's long enough to get out the door, it's a shippable product. . |
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 15, 2018 19:21:36 GMT -5
having used personal computing devices since the 80s I have never once used an electronic device that did not fail at some point. I am not sure I would want to rely solely on a computer on the freeway. Yeah, what happens when your car gives you the "blue screen of death" just before a traffic light? Having been a hardware engineer, I noticed that software causes most failures. Programs are never debugged. The time between finding the bugs just gets longer. When it's long enough to get out the door, it's a shippable product. . Scary when you think about it. |
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Nov 16, 2018 12:29:09 GMT -5
having used personal computing devices since the 80s I have never once used an electronic device that did not fail at some point. I am not sure I would want to rely solely on a computer on the freeway. Yeah, what happens when your car gives you the "blue screen of death" just before a traffic light? Having been a hardware engineer, I noticed that software causes most failures. Programs are never debugged. The time between finding the bugs just gets longer. When it's long enough to get out the door, it's a shippable product. . I guess they would have to update automatically which would be a nightmare if 20 million vehicles all received a buggy update at once. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 13:55:34 GMT -5
Bendix has had VORAD out for a while and it works great except it can lose things on curves.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Nov 16, 2018 14:49:16 GMT -5
There was a guy in the papers close to where I was staying one year who was on the busiest interstate in the state having sex, texting, drunk, and drinking when he was pulled over speeding.. And he was in the back seat of the car. I don't know how he managed to drive the car. When there's a will..
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Post by slowroll on Nov 16, 2018 18:45:22 GMT -5
There was a guy in the papers close to where I was staying one year who was on the busiest interstate in the state having sex, texting, drunk, and drinking when he was pulled over speeding.. And he was in the back seat of the car. I don't know how he managed to drive the car. When there's a will.. ...And when there is premeditated stupidity as well. |
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Post by 5star on Dec 5, 2018 7:11:02 GMT -5
There seems to be an effort to take as much control away from the individual human being as possible.
They can stick their robo cars where the sun doesn’t shine
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Dec 5, 2018 7:15:18 GMT -5
There seems to be an effort to take as much control away from the individual human being as possible. They can stick their robo cars where the sun doesn’t shine Agreed! Driving is supposed to be fun |
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Post by 5star on Dec 5, 2018 7:17:56 GMT -5
In China there’s a social credit system. If someone doesn’t follow the party line - eventually will a robo car lock its doors and promptly deliver the ‘offender’ to the nearest re-education camp ?
There are questions that go beyond the fascination with technology & desire for zero effort convenience to consider.
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Post by jackdiamond on Feb 18, 2019 22:20:05 GMT -5
I'm going to be the dissenting voice here and say that I'm SUPER STOKED about the rise of the autonomous car. I would loooove to be able to get in my car at 10:00 pm, get on the road, go to sleep, and wake up in Colorado the next morning.
When and if they do happen (and I believe they will), I will buy one the very instant my financial situation allows it. I'd buy one that just stayed on the highway at a given speed even if I had to stay behind the wheel in case anything happens. I hate driving long stretches of highway and the ability to read or watch a movie would be worth a lot of dough.
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Post by slowroll on Feb 18, 2019 23:06:17 GMT -5
I'm going to be the dissenting voice here and say that I'm SUPER STOKED about the rise of the autonomous car. I would loooove to be able to get in my car at 10:00 pm, .... I would love to have one as well, but I know too much about the state of technology to believe they'll be safe anytime in the near future. I Used to design computer & network interfaces and I am painfully aware of all the potential failure modes. The operation of a car is a non linear chaotic system. Those are tough to model and design for. |
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Post by jackdiamond on Feb 18, 2019 23:07:03 GMT -5
I'm going to be the dissenting voice here and say that I'm SUPER STOKED about the rise of the autonomous car. I would loooove to be able to get in my car at 10:00 pm, .... I would love to have one as well, but I know too much about the state of technology to believe they'll be safe anytime in the near future. I Used to design computer & network interfaces and I am painfully aware of all the potential failure modes. The operation of a car is a non linear chaotic system. Those are tough to model and design for. I'm not counting on them anytime soon, but I don't think it'll take all that long before they're safer than human drivers. |
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Post by slowroll on Feb 18, 2019 23:18:31 GMT -5
Only if every and all cars are autonomous. And that means big brother is controlling.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Feb 19, 2019 1:46:01 GMT -5
I remember when A fella walked in where a group of us were working.He told us that some day robots would be doing our jobs.We laughed at him..20 years later,,,Guess What. What I said not long ago.... then a guy that is a who’s who in the commercial transportation sector announced that it would happen. The race is on in the commercial autonomated trucks, and for the long haul loads they have already done several cross country trips with no problems. Naturally, the first demo of a driverless truck involved carrying a load of beer. The devil is always in the details. Driverless cars are programmed by people, and you know what dummies they are... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 19, 2019 12:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 19, 2019 13:23:50 GMT -5
When I started driving it was the utmost desire of almost every teen. I enjoyed driving and I had cars that were made to be enjoyed. It seems that the latest generation of drivers mostly see driving as a chore. They don't seem to have the same appreciation of the freedom that we had. My brother gave me the practice time as I spent many hours driving him around so he could stay drunk. A co-worker was a former member of Cheatwood's Hell Drivers auto stunt show. She taught me how to drive on 2 wheels, how to handle slides and spins, as well as jumps. I drove over 100k miles a year for 8 years. I still like to drive, but I can see age catching up with me. A self driving car would allow me a few more years of independence.
At the moment though, I can't wait to get back on the road again.
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Post by 5star on Feb 20, 2019 9:45:35 GMT -5
When I started driving it was the utmost desire of almost every teen. I enjoyed driving and I had cars that were made to be enjoyed. It seems that the latest generation of drivers mostly see driving as a chore. They don't seem to have the same appreciation of the freedom that we had. My brother gave me the practice time as I spent many hours driving him around so he could stay drunk. A co-worker was a former member of Cheatwood's Hell Drivers auto stunt show. She taught me how to drive on 2 wheels, how to handle slides and spins, as well as jumps. I drove over 100k miles a year for 8 years. I still like to drive, but I can see age catching up with me. A self driving car would allow me a few more years of independence. At the moment though, I can't wait to get back on the road again. I think you make some excellent points. - - America was always a place with open horizons and the freedom to explore them. Whether you were on a horse, in the early years, or later in a car - there was something very American about heading out there on your own & in command of your destination. |
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Post by longtom on Feb 21, 2019 15:30:39 GMT -5
I do all my driving in Florida and I'm absolutely convinced that a computer will do a better job of driving than 90% of the kooks on the road. 100% when the Daytona 500 was just on TV.
But not for me, I don't like automatic anything.
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