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Post by trailboss on Nov 17, 2018 12:22:48 GMT -5
I labeled it part II, because sadly we had a thread titled California fires last year.
I had heard that in Paradise, which was a beautiful town, the fire moved so fast people abandoned their cars and ran on foot, and the body count is rising. My brother is moving from Redding California, and the driver from our Sacramento terminal that spotted a trailer on his property to move, said hat last month they delivered over 100 trailers to people leaving California, (I terminal out of many) and that they have had it with tall he fires and other reasons.
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 17, 2018 12:29:51 GMT -5
It's harrowing to watch. I feel so helpless, but my heart goes out to all those affected. It is a living nightmare.
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Post by puffy on Nov 17, 2018 12:39:08 GMT -5
I can only try to imagine how horrible it is..Really Sad
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 12:47:16 GMT -5
I labeled it part II, because sadly we had a thread titled California fires last year.I had heard that in Paradise, which was a beautiful town, the fire moved so fast people abandoned their cars and ran on foot, and the body count is rising. My brother is moving from Redding California, and the driver from our Sacramento terminal that spotted a trailer on his property to move, said hat last month they delivered over 100 trailers to people leaving California, (I terminal out of many) and that they have had it with tall he fires and other reasons. The Camp Fire at one point was moving through the town of Paradise, CA at approximately 80 football fields per minute. That's 8000 yards (7315.2 meters or 7.3 kilometers) per minute. A vast tsunami of heat and flames washing over this community. The authorities had mentioned a few days back Charlie, that approximately 600 plus folks had not been heard from at that time. They didn't say that they were dead, just had not been heard from or identified, etc... |
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Post by toshtego on Nov 17, 2018 12:53:37 GMT -5
Very sad.
I was raised in rural northern California and wildfire was a frequent occurance. It was never as bad as this owing to such dry conditions, as you all know.
It appears that communities will have to clear trees and vegetation around them and live in a sea of non-flammable materials. This is not why they moved to where they are now. Most people love trees around them but not safe anymore.
I am sorry for all those families who lost loved ones.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 17, 2018 13:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Nov 17, 2018 13:37:45 GMT -5
The hills of California are covered in wild oats that are extremely flammable, bring in low humidity and coastal winds and you have a recipe for disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 13:41:33 GMT -5
The area needs controlled burns. If you allow mother nature to do its own thing under brush and dry grass set up a perfect scenario for disaster. The Forest Service should have learned their lesson after the Yellow Stone fire when they decided to let nature do its thing. Environmentalist groups don't want logging or controlled burns and this is the byproduct of that reasoning. Before you throw rocks at me take the time to learn about the benefits of controlled burning.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 17, 2018 13:54:31 GMT -5
The area needs controlled burns. If you allow mother nature to do its own thing under brush and dry grass set up a perfect scenario for disaster. The Forest Service should have learned their lesson after the Yellow Stone fire when they decided to let nature do its thing. Environmentalist groups don't want logging or controlled burns and this is the byproduct of that reasoning. Before you throw rocks at me take the time to learn about the benefits of controlled burning. I hear you and could not agree more. I lived in California for 25 years and we had the foodservice contract for CDF, USFS, etc....so I regularly delivered semi trailers to a drop area... On fire in particular butted up to private forests owned by Louisiana Pacific it was pristine, they harvested all the dead limbs, and controlled burns did what they were suppose to do....next to the private lands, everything was roasted to the ground, white ash. Whenever someone would get a permit to clear lands on state or federal lands in California it seemed that the judges always stopped it from happening thanks to groups like the Sierra Club. The last time that I hiked Lake Tahoe, I was knee deep in bark and rotten wood from the gypsy moth, and lack of anyone able to harvest anything out. Now with all these years of bad policies, the chickens have come home to roost. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 17, 2018 13:55:45 GMT -5
Controlled burn is necessary where you live....it is a fact that if there is nothing to burn, obviously you won't have the threat
of disaster.
Tallahassee is learning and now have a tree company clearing the branches that will bring down power lines...tough lesson after the fact.
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Post by mwps70 on Nov 17, 2018 14:03:40 GMT -5
We do Co trolled burns around my area as well. It is much needed. The only problem we have is when the farmers try to do it on their own and don't pay close enough attention to the weather and the winds take control and the fire department has to come in and control the fire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 14:16:10 GMT -5
Controlled burns should be coordinated with your county extension office of agriculture. This works for small recreation land owners as well. One can also employ a herd of goats to get rid of that pesky overgrowth and who does not like cabrito tacos.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 17, 2018 15:10:43 GMT -5
Arizona had bad policies prior to the Rodeo–Chediski Fire also, that had burned a half million acres west of Show Low, and from what I understand they changed their policies on forestry management to better reflect what has been said in this thread about responsibly doing so.
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Post by Dramatwist on Nov 17, 2018 23:47:33 GMT -5
I live in the Bay Area, and know folks who lost their homes in Paradise in this fire... the air is so bad here, we can't leave the house... it's no joke...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 0:26:27 GMT -5
I live in the Bay Area, and know folks who lost their homes in Paradise in this fire... the air is so bad here, we can't leave the house... it's no joke... I hear you Martin. I believe it was one or two days back, the smoke was so thick that San Francisco had shut down it trolley's etc., and urged the citizens to stay inside (is that correct?)... |
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Post by trailboss on Nov 18, 2018 0:30:09 GMT -5
I live in the Bay Area, and know folks who lost their homes in Paradise in this fire... the air is so bad here, we can't leave the house... it's no joke... One of my coworkers headed to Southern Ca to celebrate Thanksgiving with his family, he bought a bunch of particle masks because all of the Home Depot and Lowes in SoCal are out. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Nov 18, 2018 1:12:30 GMT -5
I live in the Bay Area, and know folks who lost their homes in Paradise in this fire... the air is so bad here, we can't leave the house... it's no joke... One of my coworkers headed to Southern Ca to celebrate Thanksgiving with his family, he bought a bunch of particle masks because all of the Home Depot and Lowes in SoCal are out. ...yep, all the local places are out of the N95 masks... thankfully, I bought a bunch during the fires last year... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 18, 2018 4:45:17 GMT -5
That's crazy. I see parts of it on the news, but you never see the whole picture. Be safe, Dramatwist and everyone else caught in this. |
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