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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 24, 2018 7:50:28 GMT -5
Excuse a little rant...
I'm was browsing online for nothing in particular and I saw a review for a product. It was given 3 stars. The review said this...
Now, is that really helpful?
It've seen it a lot in Amazon too, where people give a product a 5 star review and say something like...
What's going on with the world?
I don't hold much weight in reviews, but they give a slight indication of whether or not the product is decent. We see similar things in the world of tobacco reviews. It does my head in.
OK, rant over.
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Post by desolbones on Nov 24, 2018 9:08:35 GMT -5
That sheep and mice tread so warily through the etherwebs that supply the wants and needs of their existence and have naught but praise for the vendors and their wares surprises you? Raised in the cradle of ebay to review on demand without a moments thought I say!
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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 24, 2018 9:29:00 GMT -5
L L some of these jerks get paid for their reviews, either in product or gift card, I believe there is feature on Amazon than you can access so that it tells you who really purchased the product. I rarely review as I am a Amazon guy, saves me from going out amongst the savages, when I review it’s an honest appraisal, but you are right be wary of these jerks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 9:45:18 GMT -5
Paddy, on certain merchandise I try and locate a review before purchasing. Especially tools, certain blade steel when I made knives, even reviews on some electronic devices. Gives me some insight what to expect. I read tobaccoreviews.com to get an idea of a blend, doesn’t mean I’m going to purchase any, tobacco’s are subjective but I do enjoy reading others thoughts.
What about ratings?? Before I eat at any restaurant I look for the Board of Health rating, if the rating is below 96% I will not order any food and move on to another restaurant.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 24, 2018 9:58:45 GMT -5
This wasn't a review, but I came across a guy selling automotive diagnostic computer on FB a few weeks ago. He said, "works good, never used". So I asked him how he knew it worked "good" if he never used it. He said, "I never used it in the shop, just at home". Hahaha.
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Nov 24, 2018 10:01:26 GMT -5
I rarely review (as I am usually too busy ordering), but a lot of reviewers are Amazon are usually interested in reviewing their way into free products, discounts, etc. I will occasionally review, when something is truly worthy, but it is rarely as detailed as some of these review parrots.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 24, 2018 10:03:53 GMT -5
I think that it is a symptom of a larger problem, a shift in the educational system away from critical thinking. No doubt, them “reviews” pass muster with some people.
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 24, 2018 10:44:30 GMT -5
Good observations. Are the payments for reviews a common thing?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 11:15:56 GMT -5
Good observations. Are the payments for reviews a common thing? Only review I read on Amazon are those by verified buyers....NOT paid for or compensated reviews. Nobody from Tobaccoreviews gets any monetary payment.
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Post by McWiggins on Nov 24, 2018 12:14:01 GMT -5
I agree and also have an issue with another thing people do, mostly on Amazon.
They have a section in the listings for a product that I find at times pretty helpful and that is the "Questions" part. People ask a question about a product that is not in the description and others who have the product can answer it. At times, an email goes out from Amazon saying "Can you answer this question?" But people seem to think its a personal email so then they post a reply to the question "I don't know." "I never tried." or many other such not helpful at all posts. They weren't asking you DIRECTLY ya dingbat! They have contributed nothing and sometimes I find myself seeing five or more of these kinds of posts before someone has an answer. If you don't know, you don't know.
*end rant*
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 24, 2018 12:29:28 GMT -5
I agree and also have an issue with another thing people do, mostly on Amazon. They have a section in the listings for a product that I find at times pretty helpful and that is the "Questions" part. People ask a question about a product that is not in the description and others who have the product can answer it. At times, an email goes out from Amazon saying "Can you answer this question?" But people seem to think its a personal email so then they post a reply to the question "I don't know." "I never tried." or many other such not helpful at all posts. They weren't asking you DIRECTLY ya dingbat! They have contributed nothing and sometimes I find myself seeing five or more of these kinds of posts before someone has an answer. If you don't know, you don't know. *end rant* Lol. Annoys the heck out of me too!!
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Post by morallynomadic on Nov 24, 2018 16:17:35 GMT -5
I've never personally received or heard of anyone receiving payments from any program associated with Amazon in exchange for reviews.
I would not be surprised to learn that it does indeed happen, it doesn't amount to anything but advertising, which is just capitalism in action. However, I doubt it's sanctioned in any way by Amazon or eBay or any other online retailer with any reputation.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 24, 2018 16:35:05 GMT -5
I've never personally received or heard of anyone receiving payments from any program associated with Amazon in exchange for reviews. I would not be surprised to learn that it does indeed happen, it doesn't amount to anything but advertising, which is just capitalism in action. However, I doubt it's sanctioned in any way by Amazon or eBay or any other online retailer with any reputation. I have gotten pop up ads with promises of gift cards if I would rate my reviews...but they always are third party, and look scammish to me. Amazon reviews have generally been beneficial, but I understand agree with some of the comments posted above...you have to do a bit of wading, but you can generally ferret out whether a product is good or not, and how well the Amazon merchant stands behind their product.
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Post by bonneville08 on Nov 24, 2018 17:35:34 GMT -5
I think it’s the human condition that we all desperately have something to say, even if it’s not valuable. The internet makes us particularly vulnerable.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 24, 2018 17:45:48 GMT -5
I think it’s the human condition that we all desperately...want to have something to have something to say, even if it’s not valuable. The internet makes us particularly vulnerable. Yeah, it is pretty mindbogglingly...people desperate to say something,..... even if it isn't worth saying. Just word salad stuff.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 24, 2018 17:51:20 GMT -5
Hey...I resemble that remark....ugh..resent?
Good point, Russ.
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Post by Baboo on Nov 24, 2018 17:59:16 GMT -5
I've never personally received or heard of anyone receiving payments from any program associated with Amazon in exchange for reviews. I would not be surprised to learn that it does indeed happen, it doesn't amount to anything but advertising, which is just capitalism in action. However, I doubt it's sanctioned in any way by Amazon or eBay or any other online retailer with any reputation. Amazon, for one among countless webtailers, absolutely knows a grand number of their positive reviews are shills. It is a worldwide deceptive practice that is unregulated, but well-researched and proven using AI algorithms.Take em all with a grain of salt.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 24, 2018 18:37:43 GMT -5
Someone I know was involved in a start-up that had vendors give samples to their "advertisers", which were just regular people who signed up. They would use/wear the products, talk them up among people they knew, and get paid for it. They called the practice guerilla advertising.
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Post by morallynomadic on Nov 24, 2018 18:43:32 GMT -5
Someone I know was involved in a start-up that had vendors give samples to their "advertisers", which were just regular people who signed up. They would use/wear the products, talk them up among people they knew, and get paid for it. They called the practice guerilla advertising. Isn't that just sponsorship? No one pitches a fit about people in the NFL or any other pro sport drinking Gatorade or wearing Nike gear. Again, whether it's paying people for posting reviews, paying for ads, or paying someone to be seen using your product, it's all essentially the same thing. You can't effectively rail against one without railing against all of them. You also can't really rail against it without railing against capitalism.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Nov 24, 2018 18:50:48 GMT -5
Someone I know was involved in a start-up that had vendors give samples to their "advertisers", which were just regular people who signed up. They would use/wear the products, talk them up among people they knew, and get paid for it. They called the practice guerilla advertising. Isn't that just sponsorship? No one pitches a fit about people in the NFL or any other pro sport drinking Gatorade or wearing Nike gear. Again, whether it's paying people for posting reviews, paying for ads, or paying someone to be seen using your product, it's all essentially the same thing. You can't effectively rail against one without railing against all of them. You also can't really rail against it without railing against capitalism. that's all true. I just thought it was really interesting the way they had it set up. Like, you never know who's pushing what. It might be your good friend selling you stuff without you knowing...
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Post by Baboo on Nov 24, 2018 18:52:03 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 24, 2018 18:55:50 GMT -5
I don't I mind people being paid to try out and write an honest review of an item.
I'm not particularly enamored if people are paid to write a good review of an item,regardless of what they thought about it.
But I think I don't even mind that at much as people giving an item x number of stars and then writing, 'bought this for a friend. Never used it.'
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 24, 2018 19:01:32 GMT -5
That was really helpful. Thank you.
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Post by driftingfate on Nov 24, 2018 20:11:12 GMT -5
Self-validation. See it all the time in other forums. "I bought this car/motorcycle/gun/knife/pipe/tobacco/whatnot - what do you think of it?" It may be the goose who laid the golden egg, but probably not. You are usually a doofus for asking for validation of an already made purchase of questionable quality. This is only slightly more annoying than the: "I don't know what to do...!?" Asking advice and opinion is one thing, saying you are incapable of making decisions is another entirely. ::stepping off my soap box::
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Post by 5star on Nov 30, 2018 9:49:13 GMT -5
OK this is a pet peeve of mine. You see it with online reviews often - “I just bought X but I haven’t used it yet . . .” Worse than this is “I don’t have one but . . . “
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Post by 5star on Nov 30, 2018 9:53:53 GMT -5
Self-validation. See it all the time in other forums. "I bought this car/motorcycle/gun/knife/pipe/tobacco/whatnot - what do you think of it?" It may be the goose who laid the golden egg, but probably not. You are usually a doofus for asking for validation of an already made purchase of questionable quality. This is only slightly more annoying than the: "I don't know what to do...!?" Asking advice and opinion is one thing, saying you are incapable of making decisions is another entirely. ::stepping off my soap box:: I find annoying the “What should I buy next ? “ posts. They are often given with absolutely no information about the poster or their intended use. The reply that always plays in my mind is ‘If you have zero idea, how am I supposed to know ?’
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 30, 2018 10:48:51 GMT -5
Self-validation. See it all the time in other forums. "I bought this car/motorcycle/gun/knife/pipe/tobacco/whatnot - what do you think of it?" It may be the goose who laid the golden egg, but probably not. You are usually a doofus for asking for validation of an already made purchase of questionable quality. This is only slightly more annoying than the: "I don't know what to do...!?" Asking advice and opinion is one thing, saying you are incapable of making decisions is another entirely. ::stepping off my soap box:: I find annoying the “What should I buy next ? “ posts. They are often given with absolutely no information about the poster or their intended use. The reply that always plays in my mind is ‘If you have zero idea, how am I supposed to know ?’ In a place like this, however, it's slightly different (IMO). Most people know each other quite well and can contribute to that question. I find it quite helpful - when the outcome of a decision doesn't matter, I'm happy to see what my friends in the patch thing...That only really applies to tobacco or pipe-related products.
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Post by stogiebear on Nov 30, 2018 15:12:44 GMT -5
Good observations. Are the payments for reviews a common thing? Only review I read on Amazon are those by verified buyers....NOT paid for or compensated reviews. Nobody from Tobaccoreviews gets any monetary payment. There's actually a great scam where an Amazon Marketplace seller of cheap crap sets up an account and gives it a random US shipping address, buys a bunch of their cheap crap using the account and then writes "verified buyer" reviews. There was a story in the Globe a while back about it, and the people whose addresses are used, who don't know what to do with all the random cheap crap that keeps showing up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 16:05:51 GMT -5
Only review I read on Amazon are those by verified buyers....NOT paid for or compensated reviews. Nobody from Tobaccoreviews gets any monetary payment. There's actually a great scam where an Amazon Marketplace seller of cheap crap sets up an account and gives it a random US shipping address, buys a bunch of their cheap crap using the account and then writes "verified buyer" reviews. There was a story in the Globe a while back about it, and the people whose addresses are used, who don't know what to do with all the random cheap crap that keeps showing up. I know what you mean, but I keep my eyes open!!! If ever a complaint just call Amazon and you will be given immediate credit or your money back....excellent customer service 👍👍👍
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 30, 2018 16:09:21 GMT -5
There's actually a great scam where an Amazon Marketplace seller of cheap crap sets up an account and gives it a random US shipping address, buys a bunch of their cheap crap using the account and then writes "verified buyer" reviews. There was a story in the Globe a while back about it, and the people whose addresses are used, who don't know what to do with all the random cheap crap that keeps showing up. I know what you mean, but I keep my eyes open!!! If ever a complaint just call Amazon and you will be given immediate credit or your money back....excellent customer service 👍👍👍 You could say they're a-MA-zon... Works better when spoken 😕
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