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Post by trailboss on Dec 22, 2018 0:25:04 GMT -5
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Post by slowroll on Dec 22, 2018 0:34:36 GMT -5
Had she been holding a joint, probably would be OK.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 22, 2018 0:43:12 GMT -5
And to think that Massachusetts is the birthplace of the nation...we know that the pilgrims smoked pipes, but in the collective mindsets of these types, any pilgrim re-enactments would likewise need the pipes scrubbed from public viewing.
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Post by dervis on Dec 22, 2018 0:56:27 GMT -5
Kinda a long way home here, but reading this I think of power regimes that erased history. Powers that be aceoss the world destroying texts and temples as they take power. Everyone is so pissed at the erasing of history. I personally see no difference in this. Pipes were smoked. Erasing it from history is an injustice.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Dec 22, 2018 1:09:39 GMT -5
That's like a civil war re-enactment without guns. I'm sure that will be next.
Changing history to appease people means it's not factual history.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Dec 22, 2018 1:43:02 GMT -5
Had she been holding a joint, probably would be OK. Cool by me man! |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Dec 22, 2018 2:09:12 GMT -5
On the one hand, I can't see for the life of me how a pipe-smoking statue of a town founder could violate the spirit of Marion's sanitary code.
On the other hand, nothing is intrinsic to Elizabeth Taber's history that dictates the necessity of a pipe inclusion.
Seems like it's gonna pan out just fine either way, I guess.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Dec 22, 2018 2:09:35 GMT -5
If E. Taber were a woman in the tobacco industry, famous for her pipe habit, yeah, the pipe deletion would be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 5:23:14 GMT -5
That’s one of the funniest, most ridiculous articles I’ve read in some time. That’s just ludicrous and completely absurd!!! Yet we still celebrate Columbus Day.....we all know what’s wrong with our history and identity.........like pipe smoking never happened. It’s a figment of your imagination!!!
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Post by Legend Lover on Dec 22, 2018 8:38:14 GMT -5
On the one hand, I can't see for the life of me how a pipe-smoking statue of a town founder could violate the spirit of Marion's sanitary code. On the other hand, nothing is intrinsic to Elizabeth Taber's history that dictates the necessity of a pipe inclusion. Seems like it's gonna pan out just fine either way, I guess. I agree with you... Both your posts, actually. It's still sad. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Dec 22, 2018 9:13:14 GMT -5
It has already been said...no need to add anything additional...just building up the post count, although...I don't know why.
...and, yes, it is ridiculous to alter history...Josh's comment is perfect...and I'm sure it is coming next..."quick, we must get rid of the guns in the pictures...have them throwing cream puffs, instead". So glad I'm of an age that I won't have to be around many years later to see the fulmination of this idiocy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 10:23:05 GMT -5
Battle of Bunker Hill will feature Keystone Cops and cream pies.
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Post by Mac on Dec 22, 2018 10:51:49 GMT -5
Good heavens. Sounds like Berkeley, CA. Ridiculous. Maybe they'll dress her in a pant suit....
One small oddity. How did Tabor Academy get named? Should it not have been "Taber"? So, here's the answer:
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Post by haveldad on Dec 22, 2018 10:59:33 GMT -5
Oh how far we have fallen.
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Dec 22, 2018 14:45:48 GMT -5
Oh how far we have fallen. And we haven’t even hit bottom... |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Dec 22, 2018 18:13:51 GMT -5
Seriously? OH Brother!
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Post by trailboss on Dec 22, 2018 20:59:05 GMT -5
Kinda a long way home here, but reading this I think of power regimes that erased history. Powers that be across the world destroying texts and temples as they take power. Everyone is so pissed at the erasing of history. I personally see no difference in this. Pipes were smoked. Erasing it from history is an injustice. That is a good observation, they have a lot in common with Taliban minded types....they would be the first to accommodate that mindset, but would also be the first to suffer from that accomodation. |
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Post by 5star on Dec 31, 2018 9:31:13 GMT -5
I was recently watching a video where the speaker talked about how tobacco is demonized now, but it has been used by native cultures for thousands of years. The tobacco put in cigarettes, (with all those cancer producing chemicals), by big companies like RJ Reynolds - ain’t the same stuff used over the centuries.
Unfortunately, fewer people today seem to have the capacity for reason. They just merely react emotionally to the propaganda fed to them.
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Post by Legend Lover on Dec 31, 2018 10:39:03 GMT -5
I was recently watching a video where the speaker talked about how tobacco is demonized now, but it has been used by native cultures for thousands of years. The tobacco put in cigarettes, (with all those cancer producing chemicals), by big companies like RJ Reynolds - ain’t the same stuff used over the centuries. Unfortunately, fewer people today seem to have the capacity for reason. They just merely react emotionally to the propaganda fed to them. Is that video on YouTube? Can you share a link to it? |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Dec 31, 2018 12:32:13 GMT -5
I was recently watching a video where the speaker talked about how tobacco is demonized now, but it has been used by native cultures for thousands of years. The tobacco put in cigarettes, (with all those cancer producing chemicals), by big companies like RJ Reynolds - ain’t the same stuff used over the centuries. Tobacco is a powerful carcinogen on its own. No additives necessary. It's very much the same stuff used for centuries by indigenous peoples.
The big tobacco firms spent a lot of time and money trying to breed less-carcinogenic tobacco. They dabbled in additives to achieve the same goals. Needless to say they were not successful.
What really changed is the advent of the manufactured cigarette. Inhaling tobacco deeply into your lungs hundreds of times per day is both much more addictive and much more dangerous to your health than prior modes of consumption.
Tobacco consumption was common across the western world for centuries, and it was known to be associated with disease, but we didn't see the massive surge in cancers and pulmonary diseases until you could buy a pack of pre-made coffin nails on every streetcorner.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Dec 31, 2018 12:37:15 GMT -5
There are two main reasons cigarettes are filled to bursting with additives: Taste.
Adding filters to cigarettes was a complete disaster. Nothing burned right, and extracting anything like a flavor from the resulting franken-product was a nightmare. Early filter cigarettes tasted horrible and were generally shunned.
The first good-tasting filter cigarettes used something more like a modern blend, in which the tobacco is treated with accelerants (to keep it burning) and extensive flavorants (so it has a taste despite the awful draw.
Pre-filter cigarette blends tasted a lot like some modern pipe tobaccos. Prince Albert, Granger et al were pretty similar to the cigarette blends of their day.
Cost.
The wholesale price of a pack of smokes has remained steady for nearly thirty years -- meaning it has actually fallen against inflation. In a high-tax world, the big tobacco companies have virtually no pricing power. It is a vicious competition to shave pennies.
As a result, the number of pounds of tobacco per case of cigarettes has been falling for decades. Stems, reconstituted tobacco, and "expanded tobacco" are used to fill the cigarette tube. These crappier alternatives do add nicotine, and they do burn, but they don't taste like anything, requiring further treatment and flavorants.
In any case, the additives cannot possibly be worse for your health than the tobacco itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 16:39:58 GMT -5
Thanks for informing us on the New York Times propaganda machine. Lets not candy coat history or destroy it. Put a pipe in her hand it is not like anybody is going to study the overpriced statue anyway. They should teach this song in schools..
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Post by qmechanics on Jan 1, 2019 0:10:43 GMT -5
On the one hand, I can't see for the life of me how a pipe-smoking statue of a town founder could violate the spirit of Marion's sanitary code. On the other hand, nothing is intrinsic to Elizabeth Taber's history that dictates the necessity of a pipe inclusion. Seems like it's gonna pan out just fine either way, I guess. If you go to Boston's Quincy Market, you will find a statue of Red Auerbach sitting on a bench smoking a cigar. Mr Auerbach was the Celtics coach and later President who won 9 NBA titles in ten years as a coach and a few more as President,a legend. He is so beloved and his image so related to the cigar that even today the nut jobs in Boston would have a tough time prying Red's cigar from his brass hand. Apparently Mrs.Tabor was equally known for her pipe (just as intrinsic as Red's cigar). This was not a common practice for a lady in her day, which illustrates her independence and unique spirit that I believe is part of her philanthropic story. In other words,she was a woman of some Chutzpah that did what she wanted to do. Her pipe illustrates this like few other props can. Never would I even think of taking the cigar away from Red nor removing the pipe from Mrs Tabor. The historical society initially thought it was important enough to include the pipe. I think it a shame that she cannot be remembered for this unique interest. PS If one applies another side of MA politic logic, this action could be perceived as sexist, denying Mrs Tabor her pipe while Red smokes his cigar. Though I lived in MA for a time, I never became infected 😁. |
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Post by stogiebear on Jan 1, 2019 0:53:10 GMT -5
On the one hand, I can't see for the life of me how a pipe-smoking statue of a town founder could violate the spirit of Marion's sanitary code. On the other hand, nothing is intrinsic to Elizabeth Taber's history that dictates the necessity of a pipe inclusion. Seems like it's gonna pan out just fine either way, I guess. If you go to Boston's Quincy Market, you will find a statue of Red Auerbach sitting on a bench smoking a cigar. Mr Auerbach was the Celtics coach and later President who won 9 NBA titles in ten years as a coach and a few more as President,a legend. He is so beloved and his image so related to the cigar that even today the nut jobs in Boston would have a tough time prying Red's cigar from his brass hand. Apparently Mrs.Tabor was equally known for her pipe (just as intrinsic as Red's cigar). This was not a common practice for a lady in her day, which illustrates her independence and unique spirit that I believe is part of her philanthropic story. In other words,she was a woman of some Chutzpah that did what she wanted to do. Her pipe illustrates this like few other props can. Never would I even think of taking the cigar away from Red nor removing the pipe from Mrs Tabor. The historical society initially thought it was important enough to include the pipe. I think it a shame that she cannot be remembered for this unique interest. PS If one applies another side of MA politic logic, this action could be perceived as sexist, denying Mrs Tabor her pipe while Red smokes his cigar. Though I lived in MA for a time, I never became infected 😁. Leave the Mass politics to us “nut jobs in Boston” and worry about your own business. |
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Post by morallynomadic on Jan 1, 2019 1:08:07 GMT -5
In all fairness I must point out that history is altered every time you remember something. Whether it happened this morning or fifty years ago, your mind will never be able to grasp the reality any moment in the past any more than it can grasp any moment in the future. The only moment you have is the one you are in.
I try not to worry too much about those moments because doing so detracts from being *here now*.
Relax and enjoy what you have and where you are *now*.
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Post by qmechanics on Jan 1, 2019 1:13:34 GMT -5
If you go to Boston's Quincy Market, you will find a statue of Red Auerbach sitting on a bench smoking a cigar. Mr Auerbach was the Celtics coach and later President who won 9 NBA titles in ten years as a coach and a few more as President,a legend. He is so beloved and his image so related to the cigar that even today the nut jobs in Boston would have a tough time prying Red's cigar from his brass hand. Apparently Mrs.Tabor was equally known for her pipe (just as intrinsic as Red's cigar). This was not a common practice for a lady in her day, which illustrates her independence and unique spirit that I believe is part of her philanthropic story. In other words,she was a woman of some Chutzpah that did what she wanted to do. Her pipe illustrates this like few other props can. Never would I even think of taking the cigar away from Red nor removing the pipe from Mrs Tabor. The historical society initially thought it was important enough to include the pipe. I think it a shame that she cannot be remembered for this unique interest. PS If one applies another side of MA politic logic, this action could be perceived as sexist, denying Mrs Tabor her pipe while Red smokes his cigar. Though I lived in MA for a time, I never became infected 😁. Leave the Mass politics to us “nut jobs in Boston” and worry about your own business. A careful reading of the thread and post would indicate that the nut jobs, I am talking about, are the draconian anti-smoking folks. The reason they would fail in removing Red's cigar is because other Bostonians would not allow this to occur,out of their great respect for Red and the Celtics ,Boston institutions. PS I lived in Western Massachusetts for years and love Boston. There are issues faced in every state that are a reflection of larger problems,movements etc. that go beyond a state's concern. This post relates to our common struggle to support pipe tobacco and its history including the different forms it might take. So relax take it easy, I am not hammering MA or Boston but expressing my dismay concerning these events and my support of history; many in MA, including Boston, would agree. There are also many life long MA residents who remain non-infected😁.* * In my previous post the PS statements including the infection comment, are jokes. |
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