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Post by sjmiller on Oct 6, 2016 18:02:51 GMT -5
Experiment- After much testing, it was discovered that while smoking C&D Cube Cut Burley, hereafter referred to as "cube cut", that one of the background notes one encounters is a slightly sweet coffee taste. Said note can be elusive showing it self more in one sample of the cube cut than another. Experiment to be undertaken will attempt to isolate said coffee note and make it a more prominent part of cube cut blend.
Attempt #1 - Due to the fact that cube cut is intended for use as a blending tobacco, it is a blend that is strong in flavor. It is a high quality blend and most of the notes one expects to find in quality burley is found here but with the prominent flavors leaning to the earthier and more hay like notes. This first series of tests will be the addition of a blend of low flavor (unsweetened Black Cavendish) in an attempt to sublimate the more prominent base flavors thus allowing the background notes to come to the foreground.
Due to the strength of the cube cut, it was decided to use a slightly high amount of the Black Cavendish in the first test and thus a formula of 7 parts cube cut to 3 parts cavendish was set as the beginning baseline.
Result - Failure. An over estimation on either the strength of the cube cut or the sublimating power of the cavendish resulted in the failure of the first test. Resulting creation was unexpected. While the pouch note and room note were well within operating parameters, the taste was unacceptable by all accounts. Could best be described as a stale cigarette with a soggy filter.
Notes - Creation of test #1 was dispatched by a bullet to the back of the head.
Recommendation - This report should be classified as "most secret" to prevent knowledge of the destruction of test subject from being disseminated. Such knowledge could result in facility being target for animal rights activists.
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Post by papipeguy on Oct 6, 2016 19:12:50 GMT -5
I'm sure that sparks will chime in on this thread. Burley's are really his thing and he's been playing in his lab with different mixtures.
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Post by sjmiller on Oct 6, 2016 19:42:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I kinda figured he would. LOL
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Post by Darin on Oct 7, 2016 16:12:59 GMT -5
Experimenting is lots of fun ... good luck!
If you'd like to sweeten the Burley, try mixing some Virginia with it ... 60% Va / 35% Burley / 5% Cavendish
Variations on this can make completely unique blends but always keep the Cavendish at very low levels.
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Post by sjmiller on Oct 7, 2016 16:29:54 GMT -5
Experimenting is lots of fun ... good luck! If you'd like to sweeten the Burley, try mixing some Virginia with it ... 60% Va / 35% Burley / 5% Cavendish Variations on this can make completely unique blends but always keep the Cavendish at very low levels. Yeah, I figured out the keep the Cavendish low thing. LOL |
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Post by sparks on Oct 9, 2016 7:32:28 GMT -5
So, here is the thing with unflavored Black Cavendish... assuming you are using the C&D variety. Where much Black Cavendish is stoved Virginia, C&D uses Green River Burley for the base. Even though it is stoved and changes the character of the leaf quite a bit, it's still Burley. Using that with a base of Cube Cut is going to render you a rather dull smoke. The Cavendish, while still Burley is going to actually mute the flavors of the Cube Cut... pretty much getting you that flat cigarette flavor you mentioned.
The C&D unflavored Cavendish serves best when you need to round out a blend. Think, very strong Burley blend, or a really heavy aromatic. Now, that's not to say that a very very small dose mixed with Cube Cut alone wouldn't work, but I'm thinking maybe 1/16. I think then you could smooth the edge of the Cube Cut and allow the naturally sweet flavor of the Black Cav to surface.
Like Darin said, adding a bit of VA into it wouldn't hurt either. Many directions you can go, just depends on what you are looking for as an end result.
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Post by sparks on Oct 9, 2016 7:39:29 GMT -5
On another note... this might be the perfect place to ask Darin a question. Darin, have you had any luck with topping tobacco with liquors? Let's say for example Capt. Morgan Spiced Rum. I would think the vanilla and other flavors in it would actually make a great topping for something like C&D Cube Cut, which is pretty much straight, very lightly cased dark and light Burley. I have been debating trying it, but not sure if I should use it as is out of the bottle, or actually cook it down a bit to get the flavors more concentrated. |
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Post by sjmiller on Oct 9, 2016 7:51:23 GMT -5
Yes I was using C&D's Cavendish. Thanks for the info. I do have some Virginia so I will try that. Thanks for the info.
There is a blackberry moonshine made over near Gatlinburg that I am very found of. Perhaps I will spray a little on some Cube Cut and see how that turns out.
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Post by Darin on Oct 9, 2016 16:28:12 GMT -5
I've used Bourbon with some success but generally stay away from liquors just for personal taste preference. However, something like a spiced rum would be really cool to try out in small quantities and it contains plenty of sugars. One of the important things, no matter what casing you are applying, is to heat and dry (toast) the Burley first. Being in a very low case (moisture content) will allow the Burley to better soak-up the flavors. What I do is spread the Burley out on a cookie sheet, place it in the oven at 180F for 20-30 minutes and then apply the casing with a spritzer. Re-toast to dry again after the tobacco is well soaked and repeat this a couple of times. On the last round, only dry it to the moisture level you want for storage. A few months in a mason jar will allow further mellowing.
+1 on the Cavendish oftentimes being Burley ... rather than for flavor it seems better used to slow down the burn and add a bit of body. Cavendish, to me, can have a metallic / pencil lead kind of flavor when used too heavily.
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Post by Darin on Oct 12, 2016 20:33:41 GMT -5
I suppose everyone already knew all this info ... oh well!  |
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Post by sjmiller on Oct 12, 2016 21:14:36 GMT -5
No, it was new to me.
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Post by Motto on Oct 13, 2016 7:52:29 GMT -5
G'Eve,Folks, I have tried honey in some tobacco, which I want to experiment with further, but I have a metal briquette press I want to experiment making blocks of tobacco with, but I have some golden syrup & will try maple syrup etc, but the late Alan Kerslake suggested shisha molasses which I tried with not much success,but early days yet,
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Post by sparks on Oct 13, 2016 12:51:06 GMT -5
I suppose everyone already knew all this info ... oh well! Nope... was good info to share. I made my first attempt the other day, following your toasting advice (though to be honest, C&D Cube Cut is almost bone dry out of the damn bag). Either way, it's now sitting and "melding" with a significant amount of Capt. Morgans on it. I will report back when I try it. |
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Post by sjmiller on Oct 13, 2016 17:32:44 GMT -5
Attempts with Virginia failed. Beginning to wonder if the cube cut has a problem with consistency in regards to taste. The ounce I bought to try it had a pleasant coffee note in the background. Every bowl it was there. Halfway through the eight ounces I bought at the beginning of the month and nothing. Haven't found it once. Only background note I am finding in it is a bitter taste like you would get from chewing on a cigar for to long.
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Post by sparks on Oct 13, 2016 18:58:13 GMT -5
I have noticed some consistency issues with the Cube Cut also. I'm not sure if it's consistency, or just that it's made of such intense tobaccos that those flavors often overpower others. I guess that would still be consistency.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 20:24:45 GMT -5
Been following this thread with some interest. Uhle's Perfection Plug is a mix of Burley cube and ribbon cut. Pretty darn good by itself but also very good mixed with Butera Royal Vintage Cavendish on my end. Uhle's #300 is a similar cube/ribbon cut mix of Burley and Cavendish. Not trying to be a killjoy, just suggesting they may fit the bill.
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Post by sparks on Oct 14, 2016 4:58:08 GMT -5
Uhle's Perfection Plug is a mix of Burley cube and ribbon cut. Pretty darn good by itself but also very good mixed with Butera Royal Vintage Cavendish on my end. Good call on this one, Mark. I smoked this for awhile last year. It was a very well done, tasty cube cut blend. Bit larger in the cube size, but burned well enough. I found it lacking a bit in the strength department for my tastes and didn't have very good results trying to mix it with others. The cocoa casing/topping was a bit strong and seemed to clash with other flavors. |
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Post by sjmiller on Oct 14, 2016 6:37:21 GMT -5
Allergic to cocoa here so that is out for me.
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Post by sparks on Oct 27, 2016 5:37:58 GMT -5
Well, the attempt to infuse spiced Rum into the cube cut was not very successful. The flavor, although great in a glass, isn't potent enough to really stand out over the Cube Cut. So, I pretty much have some Cube Cut with a very subtle spiced rum flavor. I think I need to try it with something that's got a bit more oompf.
It is after experiments like these that I really think to myself that I should leave this shite to the professionals. While it's fun to play around with creating your own mixes, it's friggin time consuming.
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Post by Darin on Oct 28, 2016 10:52:47 GMT -5
Ahhhh ... but it's a labor of LOVE! LOL Spent 4 hours yesterday picking, stringing and hanging my first Semois primings. They went into a "curing closet" which had to be made to simulate a more easterly climate. Another round of priming in about a week and then several weeks of babysitting. There's some new leaf arriving tomorrow from a guy in KY and I'm making a new snuff blend out of part of it and a new plug with the rest. It's always something but I'm usual content while playing "mad scientist" in the kitchen. |
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Post by puffadder on Oct 28, 2016 16:39:53 GMT -5
It is after experiments like these that I really think to myself that I should leave this shite to the professionals. While it's fun to play around with creating your own mixes, it's friggin time consuming. After numerous attempts at a rum/Burley blend sweetened by a touch of Va using multiple techniques I've come to the realization I'm better off spending the time picking lint from my belly button. I can't please my taste buds. Maybe my expectations are too high, and I'm lacking in the basic blending skills to produce an end product I feel represents the sum of its parts. In any case I'm always extremely interested in reading of any attempt at working toward success. Good luck to all. |
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