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Post by puffy on Jan 9, 2019 10:20:00 GMT -5
I got into a discussion with a fella about why each new generation seems to have different attitudes on issues than previous generations..He feels that it has to do with 2 things..Experiences and Culture..He says that we base our opinions in large part on the things we've lived through.To to young folks though that's history that they've only read about.I was born in farm country.My son was born in Detroit..He knows stuff about electronics.I have no idea what he's talking about.If he had to grow his own food though he would starve..We're both smart just in different things based on our experience..I grew up in an era when pipe smokers were respected.Now we're demonized.Pipe smoking hasn't changed but the culture has changed so opinions have..In order to understand why the life styles and attitudes of youngsters are different than ours we must understand that they are from a different culture and have different experiences than us..At least so says my friend.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 9, 2019 10:47:57 GMT -5
I think he's correct. We look at everything through the lens of culture.
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Post by papipeguy on Jan 9, 2019 10:55:45 GMT -5
This book (The Fourth Turning) explores that very question,  . It's a heavy read but very telling about the way each generation thinks. Interesting stuff. www.fourthturning.com/ |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jan 9, 2019 11:11:21 GMT -5
I believe that is correct. I also believe I was born in the wrong generation/era. My values and beliefs are far different than the majority of my peers.
The difference between me and my sons is night and day, so I complete understand.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2019 11:31:01 GMT -5
You can read about differences in generations in Gilgamesh, the Bible, and Shakespeare. There is nothing new under the Sun.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jan 9, 2019 12:36:56 GMT -5
You can read about differences in generations in Gilgamesh, the Bible, and Shakespeare. There is nothing new under the Sun. Ron said it, and I believe he is right. Culture changes the opinions of those who are living in it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2019 12:46:54 GMT -5
You can read about differences in generations in Gilgamesh, the Bible, and Shakespeare. There is nothing new under the Sun. Ron said it, and I believe he is right. Culture changes the opinions of those who are living in it. Of course, knowing this doesn't make it any easier to live through. |
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Post by kxg on Jan 9, 2019 13:33:42 GMT -5
A few simple truths: One's perception determines one's reality. Perspective, in large part, contributes to perception. Changing perspective alters perception and will in turn alter one's version of reality. Culture (as in, the lens of) influences both perception and perspective.
Thus, my reality and your reality, even if we are standing together viewing the same scene, is never quite the same and often quite different.
As long as we all understand that none of us has a lock on the truth, our differences can be if not worked out, at least explained. It is when we decide we are the arbiters of truth that problems ensue. Of course, I'm only speaking of tobacco choices...
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Post by jeffd on Jan 9, 2019 13:45:56 GMT -5
This book (The Fourth Turning) explores that very question, . It's a heavy read but very telling about the way each generation thinks. Interesting stuff. www.fourthturning.com/I read that and it really impressed, and depressed me. Finding out I am not all that much an individual but rather a predictable part of the herd. Ahhh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 13:58:20 GMT -5
Great comments here and extremely interesting topic. Vaping? Who would have ever thought? Fake smoking. Not for us who appreciate good tobacco but the younger generations mainstreamed it. We're somewhat unique as well compared to my WWI vet Great-grandfather who carried a tin of Prince Albert, a cob and pack of rolling papers in his overalls. He'd probably think we're pretty nuts. Cellaring? Different tobaccos? Why? Just like former generations before us, we'll pass and our traditions will go with us. New trends will form with which we're unfamiliar on our way out the door to the next phase. Change is inevitable.
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Post by briarbuck on Jan 9, 2019 14:03:10 GMT -5
The difference between now and then, is that social change is being compressed from what used to be decades to minutes.
We have no concept how fast things are accelerating because it's never happened at this rate in history. The Renaissance? pfffft....
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jan 10, 2019 7:50:23 GMT -5
I don't think my daughter has ever seen a corded phone or even got off the couch to change the channels on the tv
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Post by morallynomadic on Jan 10, 2019 11:50:02 GMT -5
I would add to this that generalizing people even when there is evidence to support your observation is flimsy at best and stifling at worst.
No matter how generalized a group appears, it appears that way only when you limit your own observation. You cannot describe anything or anyone accurately using words. It is only by experiencing them directly that you ever have a hope of gaining an understanding.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 10, 2019 12:16:40 GMT -5
My grandmother was born in 1878. She was adopted by a doctor after her parents died of yellow fever and came to Texas in a covered wagon. She was was a teenager during the Spanish - American War and lived through both world wars, Korea and Vietnam. She built coffins for the victims of The Great Storm of 1900. She was a nurse for decades before modern medicine and knew all the useful roots and herbs. She raised 4 men and 3 women by herself mostly because she married a sea captain. She was 4'10" and probably weighed 90 lbs. She also saw men walking on the moon and she flew to visit her son in California in a 747. If that little woman could do all that what are we complaining about?
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