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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 11, 2019 15:05:38 GMT -5
So I've a Zippo lighter with the pipe insert. Relight is spot on with this bad boy, but the initial light is a nightmare. The flame doesn't want to burn the tobacco. Does anyone else experience this or is there something I'm doing wrong?
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Post by slowroll on Jan 11, 2019 15:12:38 GMT -5
You're ok. I use my Zippo all the time but I generally do the first light with a wooden match (unless I'm on my tractor).
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Post by Dramatwist on Jan 11, 2019 15:15:31 GMT -5
I recently made the switch from matches to an IM Corona Pipemaster. I'm guessing that the issue might be the type of fuel, but I am no expert. The Corona is a very consistent flame.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:23:12 GMT -5
Paddy, I use Zippo fluid in my Zippo lighters with no issues. Even though Zippo makes Ronson fluid I’ve noticed a foul odor and doesn’t light properly all the time. Zippo fluid is much cleaner with less odor👍👍.......JMHO
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Post by Dramatwist on Jan 11, 2019 15:25:19 GMT -5
Paddy, I use Zippo fluid in my Zippo lighters with no issues. Even though Zippo makes Ronson fluid I’ve noticed a foul odor and doesn’t light properly all the time. Zippo fluid is much cleaner with less odor👍👍.......JMHO ...whatever you use, buy the highest-quality fuel available... it pays dividends... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 15:27:38 GMT -5
Paddy, I use Zippo fluid in my Zippo lighters with no issues. Even though Zippo makes Ronson fluid I’ve noticed a foul odor and doesn’t light properly all the time. Zippo fluid is much cleaner with less odor👍👍.......JMHO ...whatever you use, buy the highest-quality fuel available... it pays dividends... Excellent recommendation......especially when it comes to butane!!! |
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Post by Dramatwist on Jan 11, 2019 15:32:58 GMT -5
...whatever you use, buy the highest-quality fuel available... it pays dividends... Excellent recommendation......especially when it comes to butane!!! I've been using "Whip-it!" which is extracted from the North Sea and is said to be very pure and free of contaminants. Packaged in the UK. Expensive, but I've had zero issues with my Corona... perfect, gentle flame every time. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Jan 11, 2019 15:39:47 GMT -5
So I've a Zippo lighter with the pipe insert. Relight is spot on with this bad boy, but the initial light is a nightmare. The flame doesn't want to burn the tobacco. Does anyone else experience this or is there something I'm doing wrong? Zippo pipe inserts have a removable top. It's a little metal piece that simply clips on and off. It's meant to be removable in case you wish to use your zippo as a normal chimney insert. I use zippos with and without pipe inserts almost exclusively when smoking. I don't have a problem with initial lights. But I also don't do anything special when lighting. So I'm not sure what else I can advise except maybe you can try removing that metal "roof" on the insert. Then you can use the chimney top for the initial light and the holes on the side of the pipe insert the rest of the way. |
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 11, 2019 15:44:03 GMT -5
I had trouble getting a light with a zippo and commander but the guys I see using them regularly lay the lighter right on top of the bowl. I’ve got about every sort of fluid lighter but stick with butane.  |
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Post by kbareit on Jan 11, 2019 15:44:34 GMT -5
The only problem I have had with a pipe insert in my Zippo is the way I hold it I keep burning my index finger so I went back to a standard insert and really noticed no difference in lighting a pipe between the two. On a side note I started to use matches when indoors and prefer them over the Zippo because I have more control where I want the flame.
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Post by dervis on Jan 11, 2019 15:46:48 GMT -5
I try and do the first light with a match. After that I use the Zippo until it runs out of fluid or needs a new flint. Then I run out of matches
Then I put the Zippo in a drawer and use a Bic for 99% of lights, first , middle, last.
A few months later see the Zippo, get it working again and use it for another week. Have been repeating that tradition for about 10 years. So a solid 3 weeks out of the year I love my Zippo.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 11, 2019 16:32:37 GMT -5
So I've a Zippo lighter with the pipe insert. Relight is spot on with this bad boy, but the initial light is a nightmare. The flame doesn't want to burn the tobacco. Does anyone else experience this or is there something I'm doing wrong? Zippo pipe inserts have a removable top. It's a little metal piece that simply clips on and off. It's meant to be removable in case you wish to use your zippo as a normal chimney insert. I use zippos with and without pipe inserts almost exclusively when smoking. I don't have a problem with initial lights. But I also don't do anything special when lighting. So I'm not sure what else I can advise except maybe you can try removing that metal "roof" on the insert. Then you can use the chimney top for the initial light and the holes on the side of the pipe insert the rest of the way. I didn't know that. Thank you. I've no idea why the first light is so difficult. I'll see if I can remove the roof and see if that works. The flame itself is great. I'm using cheap fluid but as far as I can see, a flame is a flame, regardless of what fluid you use. |
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Post by trailboss on Jan 11, 2019 20:58:14 GMT -5
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jan 11, 2019 21:30:34 GMT -5
When I am using my Zippo, I tend to do the initial char and light with a Bic or my Old Boy and then use my Zippo for relights. I find the Zippo to take longer for the char and the initial light. Call me paranoid and anal, but I like to keep my rims clean and so I prefer a faster light.
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Post by AJ on Jan 11, 2019 22:07:30 GMT -5
Paddy, I use Zippo fluid in my Zippo lighters with no issues. Even though Zippo makes Ronson fluid I’ve noticed a foul odor and doesn’t light properly all the time. Zippo fluid is much cleaner with less odor👍👍.......JMHO ^^^^^^^This +1^^^^^^^ AJ |
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Post by slowroll on Jan 11, 2019 23:59:06 GMT -5
Because the Zippo has such a soft non directional flame it wants a draft or chimney effect to pull the flame down. When the pipe bowl is full, there's no directional chimney effect to pull the flame in. That's why I'm use a match full the initial light rather than fussing with the Zippo for initial lights.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jan 12, 2019 2:29:53 GMT -5
Because the Zippo has such a soft non directional flame it wants a draft or chimney effect to pull the flame down. When the pipe bowl is full, there's no directional chimney effect to pull the flame in. That's why I'm use a match full the initial light rather than fussing with the Zippo for initial lights. That makes sense. Plus, a relight is a quick boost to an already-hot tobacco ember. |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jan 12, 2019 9:39:17 GMT -5
I use the butane insert in my Zippos without any issues. I don't care for the taste of lighter fluid and butane don'tseem to have any taste plus I have never burned my leg from a butane insert like I have with regular Zippos.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 12:37:05 GMT -5
Zippo here. I think the pack matters, normally pack light, give a bowl a couple quick charring lights and a good tamp before going for the real thing. My current briar rotation consists of working pipes less than $100. When I had more expensive pipes, I used matches. The bowls I have now and all larger which is an equal consideration. They've had a lot of bowls put through them using a Zippo smoking primarily indoors, show no sign of rim charring and an overnight soaking with Nivea Creme is sufficient to keep the rims clean for my purposes.
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Post by instymp on Jan 12, 2019 18:29:48 GMT -5
Zippo pipe inserts have a removable top. It's a little metal piece that simply clips on and off. It's meant to be removable in case you wish to use your zippo as a normal chimney insert. I use zippos with and without pipe inserts almost exclusively when smoking. I don't have a problem with initial lights. But I also don't do anything special when lighting. So I'm not sure what else I can advise except maybe you can try removing that metal "roof" on the insert. Then you can use the chimney top for the initial light and the holes on the side of the pipe insert the rest of the way. I didn't know that. Thank you. I've no idea why the first light is so difficult. I'll see if I can remove the roof and see if that works. The flame itself is great. I'm using cheap fluid but as far as I can see, a flame is a flame, regardless of what fluid you use. I only use Zippo fluid. I think there is a difference between cheap & the better fluids, both Zippo & butane. |
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Post by slowroll on Jan 12, 2019 18:37:08 GMT -5
I use Hardware store naptha for lighter fluid, works fine, no adverse taste. That's what lighter fluid is, after all.
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Post by instymp on Jan 12, 2019 18:38:01 GMT -5
You wouldn't strife a match & stick it over the bowl before letting the sulfur/igniter stuff burn off first, same with a Zippo. Light it wait till the flame eats up the odor, 2 seconds, light & smoke.
But that is the way I have done it for years with both.
If.. I can't use a Bic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 19:51:46 GMT -5
The initial light is a little tough, especially if the wick needs trimming or fluid is low. Assuming those issues are alleviated the technique I use is keep the lighter about 1/4" above the bowl and do short quick puffs while rotating the lighter around the bowl.
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Post by morallynomadic on Jan 12, 2019 21:12:53 GMT -5
Because the Zippo has such a soft non directional flame it wants a draft or chimney effect to pull the flame down. When the pipe bowl is full, there's no directional chimney effect to pull the flame in. That's why I'm use a match full the initial light rather than fussing with the Zippo for initial lights. This is it 100% .. I have the same issues but it's just a symptom of the system. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 12, 2019 22:32:38 GMT -5
Because the Zippo has such a soft non directional flame it wants a draft or chimney effect to pull the flame down. When the pipe bowl is full, there's no directional chimney effect to pull the flame in. That's why I'm use a match full the initial light rather than fussing with the Zippo for initial lights. I just place the zippo w/ pipe insert directly on top of the bowl. The "chimney" is the top of the lighter, not the bowl itself.
It definitely takes longer than a butane lighter -- it won't kindle instantly -- but after the tobacco warms up, it does eventually catch.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jan 12, 2019 22:33:46 GMT -5
Matches are fine indoors. I even prefer butane indoors. But I live in a windy locale, and matches/butane are pretty damned useless out of doors.
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