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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 14:51:28 GMT -5
As I approach 71 years of age this Spring, I had to reach a decision as to whether I am collecting tobacco or smoking it. I am now smoking my reserves and not buying. I have been without Carter Hall for several months and down to my lat half pound of my daily morning smoke of Lane: HG-2000.
So it will be onto what's on the shelf and jarred.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:07:50 GMT -5
Mike, that’s what cellaring tobacco is meant for👌👍. Enjoy what you’ve put aside and save your money, especially if you have more than you’ll ever need. Smoke in good health!!
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Post by dervis on Feb 5, 2019 15:08:48 GMT -5
An adventure in itself
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Post by kxg on Feb 5, 2019 15:17:35 GMT -5
One of the interesting questions I faced when beginning my tobacco cellar efforts back in July was, how much tobacco should I store? I didn't realize that question was important at the time as I figured the answer was, as much as I can, as fast as I can. After accumulating 30 pounds or so of 50+ different blends, I surmised that I needed to answer the "how much" question. Just standing back and looking at the stash, my answers ranged from "Stop buying right now" (my wife's assessment) to "I need at least that much more, and then some" (my assessment).
To provide some sort of data and purely for the fun of it, I built a smoking model into my Tobacco Spending spreadsheet that uses a few assumptions (avg bowl weight, number of bowls/day/week) to calculate how many years my cellar will last. As my cellar grows or shrinks, the model adjusts itself, so I can always have some idea where I am in the process. So far my answer is to continue to accumulate at a reasonable pace (of course, then we have to debate what is reasonable!)
Oh, and the answer is: Approx. 5 years. (38.81 pounds in the cellar: .14 oz tobacco/bowl avg.; 2-5 bowls/day; 5 days/week; 52 weeks/year. 3.41 years to 8.53 years, low to high estimates.
The real answer is, it just depends. And, as long as I'm working and earning a bit of disposable income, I'll keep buying more tobacco than I'm smoking, knowing that one day, if I'm fortunate, I too will be smoking my cellar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:29:45 GMT -5
Yes, good discussion so far. My intent was not just personal but to open the subject to individuals needs, wants, plans, etc for their own cellars.
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Post by dervis on Feb 5, 2019 16:34:10 GMT -5
Yes, good discussion so far. My intent was not just personal but to open the subject to individuals needs, wants, plans, etc for their own cellars. I am smoking my cellar. The reason is the last 10 years I just bought anything/everything. Mostly English blends. Have several jars of Aros still floating around from the years before that.
I spent most of those 10 years thinking I did not like Virginia tobaccos. Looking into that further I realized I did not like Perique really and actually love Virginia tobaccos. For some misfortunate reason people often just find a beautiful delicious Virginia and assault it with tobacco that's peppered flavored. Many a tobacco and meal have been ruined with over seasoning. I actually prefer Virginia Flakes overall. So a cellar full of tobacco that I like less and less by the day, aside from a few favorites that haven't changed.
What was there to do with the investment? I sold the ones worth selling. Then the past year I have been smoking 90% out of my cellar and not ordering , except for 2-3 new to the market blends that I was excited about. I am still smoking out of the cellar but I have cut it in half overall probably.
I have still enjoyed my smoking this past year, and probably more than I would have if I just ordered several lbs of VA flakes and then "force" myself to smoke the below par tobaccos left in cellar. The selections on what to smoke being several ok tobaccos with a few treasures mixed in is a more positive experience in comparison to several amazing tobaccos with a few ok tobaccos mixed in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 16:45:05 GMT -5
As I approach 71 years of age this Spring, I had to reach a decision as to whether I am collecting tobacco or smoking it. I am now smoking my reserves and not buying. I have been without Carter Hall for several months and down to my lat half pound of my daily morning smoke of Lane: HG-2000. So it will be onto what's on the shelf and jarred. I'm approaching 72 years of age this Spring, youngster. But I do the same, smoking my cellar. When a new or hitherto unknown blend catches my eye, however, I may get a pouch or two from my fellow Floridians at Tobaccopipes or use my ample cellar for a trade-off. Actually, by now, after decades of buying pipe tobacco, I have more than I need for the rest of my life. May that be said of all of us. |
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Post by peteguy on Feb 5, 2019 16:56:16 GMT -5
I plan on doing the same. I hope it feels as good as it sounds to not chase another blend ever again.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 17:04:52 GMT -5
I actually cellared for retirement under the assumption I'd smoke more; however, the exact opposite has been true. My cellar is pretty crazy. I'm not hunting anymore, have already sold off some and am just smoking current supplies. I have a lot of Lat in the five to ten year range and hardly any taste for it anymore. I'd probably be fine with just my Virginia, VaPer and Burley and may have to begin rethinking the Lat stacks in the cellar.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 5, 2019 17:13:41 GMT -5
One of the interesting questions I faced when beginning my tobacco cellar efforts back in July was, how much tobacco should I store? I didn't realize that question was important at the time as I figured the answer was, as much as I can, as fast as I can. After accumulating 30 pounds or so of 50+ different blends, I surmised that I needed to answer the "how much" question. Just standing back and looking at the stash, my answers ranged from "Stop buying right now" (my wife's assessment) to "I need at least that much more, and then some" (my assessment). To provide some sort of data and purely for the fun of it, I built a smoking model into my Tobacco Spending spreadsheet that uses a few assumptions (avg bowl weight, number of bowls/day/week) to calculate how many years my cellar will last. As my cellar grows or shrinks, the model adjusts itself, so I can always have some idea where I am in the process. So far my answer is to continue to accumulate at a reasonable pace (of course, then we have to debate what is reasonable!) Oh, and the answer is: Approx. 5 years. (38.81 pounds in the cellar: .14 oz tobacco/bowl avg.; 2-5 bowls/day; 5 days/week; 52 weeks/year. 3.41 years to 8.53 years, low to high estimates. The real answer is, it just depends. And, as long as I'm working and earning a bit of disposable income, I'll keep buying more tobacco than I'm smoking, knowing that one day, if I'm fortunate, I too will be smoking my cellar. Interesting mathematics. I smoke about the same amount (2-5 bowls a day). My cellar is between 15-20 pounds of tobacco. I keep saying it's time to stop buying and just smoke off some of the inventory. Not entirely successful, but what I have been able to do is limit my buying to 2 oz tins of new tobaccos I'd like to try. OK until I try one I absolutely love. Then I just want to buy more of it. That's what happened when someone on the Patch recommended Seattle Pipe Club Plum Pudding Special Reserve. Just fell in love with it. I have not yet bought more, but my finger is trembling over the trigger. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 17:16:13 GMT -5
I plan on doing the same. I hope it feels as good as it sounds to not chase another blend ever again. It gives you a sense of satisfaction and pride. And yes, nachas (orig. transliteration spelling: nakhes) it gives the tobacco gods whom you have made proud. And gives you also the humility that with a full cellar (but what is a full cellar?), you've become a steward of a sacred trust. May you be a Jimmy Steward, i.e., a worthy one in all respects. |
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Post by McWiggins on Feb 5, 2019 18:37:17 GMT -5
One of the interesting questions I faced when beginning my tobacco cellar efforts back in July was, how much tobacco should I store? I didn't realize that question was important at the time as I figured the answer was, as much as I can, as fast as I can. After accumulating 30 pounds or so of 50+ different blends, I surmised that I needed to answer the "how much" question. Just standing back and looking at the stash, my answers ranged from "Stop buying right now" (my wife's assessment) to "I need at least that much more, and then some" (my assessment). To provide some sort of data and purely for the fun of it, I built a smoking model into my Tobacco Spending spreadsheet that uses a few assumptions (avg bowl weight, number of bowls/day/week) to calculate how many years my cellar will last. As my cellar grows or shrinks, the model adjusts itself, so I can always have some idea where I am in the process. So far my answer is to continue to accumulate at a reasonable pace (of course, then we have to debate what is reasonable!) Oh, and the answer is: Approx. 5 years. (38.81 pounds in the cellar: .14 oz tobacco/bowl avg.; 2-5 bowls/day; 5 days/week; 52 weeks/year. 3.41 years to 8.53 years, low to high estimates. The real answer is, it just depends. And, as long as I'm working and earning a bit of disposable income, I'll keep buying more tobacco than I'm smoking, knowing that one day, if I'm fortunate, I too will be smoking my cellar. Interesting mathematics. I smoke about the same amount (2-5 bowls a day). My cellar is between 15-20 pounds of tobacco. I keep saying it's time to stop buying and just smoke off some of the inventory. Not entirely successful, but what I have been able to do is limit my buying to 2 oz tins of new tobaccos I'd like to try. OK until I try one I absolutely love. Then I just want to buy more of it. That's what happened when someone on the Patch recommended Seattle Pipe Club Plum Pudding Special Reserve. Just fell in love with it. I have not yet bought more, but my finger is trembling over the trigger. Special Reserve is great! I say you should buy more but wait for a sale. Once one hits you can load up at 15, 20 or even 30 percent off. But yeah, buy more of the pudding. You want more of the pudding. You NEED more of the pudding.  |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 5, 2019 18:54:17 GMT -5
Interesting mathematics. I smoke about the same amount (2-5 bowls a day). My cellar is between 15-20 pounds of tobacco. I keep saying it's time to stop buying and just smoke off some of the inventory. Not entirely successful, but what I have been able to do is limit my buying to 2 oz tins of new tobaccos I'd like to try. OK until I try one I absolutely love. Then I just want to buy more of it. That's what happened when someone on the Patch recommended Seattle Pipe Club Plum Pudding Special Reserve. Just fell in love with it. I have not yet bought more, but my finger is trembling over the trigger. Special Reserve is great! I say you should buy more but wait for a sale. Once one hits you can load up at 15, 20 or even 30 percent off. But yeah, buy more of the pudding. You want more of the pudding. You NEED more of the pudding. The Pudding is calling me also...I, too, am in that "old" range...at 75 who knows how much longer I have. I'd like to think that the amount I have for a "good" cellar is the amount I have put away...hard to say what the answer is...but it sure feels good to know that I'm not at the end (of the cellar or life, either one). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:55:46 GMT -5
I have a lot of Lat in the five to ten year range and hardly any taste for it anymore. I'd probably be fine with just my Virginia, VaPer and Burley and may have to begin rethinking the Lat stacks in the cellar. I probably have more Lat blends in my cellar than I need to as well. Right now I favor VA, VaPer, Burley, and Lakelands; but my tastes could always revert so I hesitate to sell any. |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 5, 2019 20:04:46 GMT -5
Special Reserve is great! I say you should buy more but wait for a sale. Once one hits you can load up at 15, 20 or even 30 percent off. But yeah, buy more of the pudding. You want more of the pudding. You NEED more of the pudding. The Pudding is calling me also...I, too, am in that "old" range...at 75 who knows how much longer I have. I'd like to think that the amount I have for a "good" cellar is the amount I have put away...hard to say what the answer is...but it sure feels good to know that I'm not at the end (of the cellar or life, either one). I cannot stress how much I like the Pudding. I mean, like wow. Richer flavor than Penzance. |
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Post by kbareit on Feb 5, 2019 20:25:47 GMT -5
The Pudding is calling me also...I, too, am in that "old" range...at 75 who knows how much longer I have. I'd like to think that the amount I have for a "good" cellar is the amount I have put away...hard to say what the answer is...but it sure feels good to know that I'm not at the end (of the cellar or life, either one). I cannot stress how much I like the Pudding. I mean, like wow. Richer flavor than Penzance. I just got a tin of the special reserve. Will try it tomorrow, I have a decent stockpile of the original and enjoy it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 5, 2019 20:29:55 GMT -5
As I approach 71 years of age this Spring, I had to reach a decision as to whether I am collecting tobacco or smoking it. I am now smoking my reserves and not buying. I have been without Carter Hall for several months and down to my lat half pound of my daily morning smoke of Lane: HG-2000. So it will be onto what's on the shelf and jarred. Dude! I had no idea that you were that old! Now I will worry next time you disappear. I am also not buying much more tobacco, except for a couple of my favorite blends. And then only a few ounces at a time. Going to smoke up the cellar before I get off the Merry Go Round. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 21:10:17 GMT -5
I have not purchased anything online in a couple years tobacco wise. Once in a blue moon a tin here or there at the B/M. My reward is a 10+ year cellar full of goodies. Some favorites and some untried. I will not tell you if aged blends are better that is journey you must take on your own. If you like Carter Hall buy another tub I sure as heck wont tell on you.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 5, 2019 21:37:34 GMT -5
Reminds me, I have been thinking of writing a kind of cellar/pipes will. A while back a friend commented that I must have "hundreds" tied up in my collection by now. I had to laugh. Then I had the thought that I should have instructions/values written down so my brother or whoever inherits this mess, realizes they're holding thousands of dollars. I've only been collecting for a couple years- I can't even imagine what I'll have in ten or twenty more.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Feb 5, 2019 21:56:42 GMT -5
Hundreds?!? Boy oh boy they just dont know!
I've looked over and thought about my cellar a few times in the last month. I havent came to a conclusion or a goal yet. I'm still young and hopefully have MANY years of smoking ahead of me. I've smoked some fresh va's and some aged va's and know one thing... I need to increase the amount of those that I have.
I've also been keeping track of the prices of tobacco and pipes that I've bought. I figure that whoever inherits anything that is left will be thankful for that. I just have to keep that list hidden until I'm gone.
I'm not a huge fan of heavy Burley blends, my list shows that. Va's and VaPers, especially red, will continue to be stacked both wide and deep.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 5, 2019 22:00:26 GMT -5
I should add a quote by one of you guys
"Just hope you don't outlive PipeStud." hahaha
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Post by qmechanics on Feb 6, 2019 1:50:59 GMT -5
I have a decent stock of tobaccos. My major issue is acquiring more depth and stocking blends that I enjoy that will probably go away after the FDA hammer strikes. The other issue is funding. Hopefully that will be answered soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 22:08:18 GMT -5
Well I'm a young man at 52. My father, grandfather, great grandfather and great great grandfather are long lived so I don't think I will ever cellar enough but the back up strategy is if the tobaccopocolyse happens with all the stupid laws, regulations and taxes I will cellar enough to allow me to grow and process my own when that even occurs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:06:04 GMT -5
I keep everything from English, Aros, Straight VA, and Straight Burley in the cellar. Some of it is not meant to age. I just bought it so I didn't run out. Like Mark @10furlongs I am really appreciating Burley blends, though I have not lost my taste for Lat. I keep about a pound of Five Brother to toast #6 scrooge with daily, but the pound is a running inventory, again, not meant to be hoarded for the ages. @10furlongs turned me onto some of Uhle's burleys, which I love. I had purchased from Uhle's before, but was not into Burleys as much. Sterling: Would love to do again, but I have checkophobia. I hate writing checks and putting them in the mail anymore. If he took PP or CC by phone it would make a big diff. Country Squire: I just had my second order from them. I will write on White Rose at some separate point. I don't know whether to cellar or just keep a pound of each. First, they sent a nice note on repeat biz. Just like Eddie from Pipe Nook. Tobaccos cannot be beat. Thank the Good Lord this guy is younger than I am, so he may stick around longer with his blends. What I am cellaring, but will smoke when I run through some other tins, are the tins. I have pounds and pounds of Sutliff Match, but I am dropping dimes (now ten bucks) on tins that look like they might suit me. However, I am holding off on nothing. It's just to get around to it in it's time. Xuan (is doing about the same, thanks for asking @lonecoyote ) and I live in a duplex and have, after 25 years, decided to move to the other unit. She has relented in letting me decorate our dining room, which is already nice, but I will be putting my cellar in it, tastefully done, I hope, pics to follow |
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 7, 2019 17:43:07 GMT -5
I keep everything from English, Aros, Straight VA, and Straight Burley in the cellar. Some of it is not meant to age. I just bought it so I didn't run out. Like Mark @10furlongs I am really appreciating Burley blends, though I have not lost my taste for Lat. I keep about a pound of Five Brother to toast #6 scrooge with daily, but the pound is a running inventory, again, not meant to be hoarded for the ages. @10furlongs turned me onto some of Uhle's burleys, which I love. I had purchased from Uhle's before, but was not into Burleys as much. Sterling: Would love to do again, but I have checkophobia. I hate writing checks and putting them in the mail anymore. If he took PP or CC by phone it would make a big diff. Country Squire: I just had my second order from them. I will write on White Rose at some separate point. I don't know whether to cellar or just keep a pound of each. First, they sent a nice note on repeat biz. Just like Eddie from Pipe Nook. Tobaccos cannot be beat. Thank the Good Lord this guy is younger than I am, so he may stick around longer with his blends. What I am cellaring, but will smoke when I run through some other tins, are the tins. I have pounds and pounds of Sutliff Match, but I am dropping dimes (now ten bucks) on tins that look like they might suit me. However, I am holding off on nothing. It's just to get around to it in it's time. Xuan (is doing about the same, thanks for asking @lonecoyote ) and I live in a duplex and have, after 25 years, decided to move to the other unit. She has relented in letting me decorate our dining room, which is already nice, but I will be putting my cellar in it, tastefully done, I hope, pics to follow I'll look forward to seeing those pics... Make sure your feet are in them. |
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Post by glassjapan on Feb 7, 2019 18:18:02 GMT -5
Unless someone comes out with a fantastic virginia/oriental blend, I'm pretty much just smoking from my cellar. The only thing I look to replenish is FVF or BBF whenever I have to open a jar.
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