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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 8, 2019 18:20:19 GMT -5
Is it o.k. to open your storage / glass jars from time to time {e.g. 1,2,6 mnths. 1 yr. 2 yrs. , etc.} & take some out & seal back up until next interval{s} ?
Or does it have to stay sealed until you think it's ready and then smoke all of the tobacco out of that jar asap ?
I think I read somewhere where GL Pease subscribed to the 2nd option / choice ... ?
Whats been your experience ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 18:29:12 GMT -5
If it’s a tobacco your smoking often store in 2 to 4 ounce size jars. If your planning on “ long term “ aging, that’s where I use the quart size jars. Once you open a jar, your stopping the fermentation process, therefore stopping the tobacco from aging. Once you re-cap the process starts again. Most of my everyday tobacco’s are in their tins and my bulks are in 2 ounce wide mouth jars. Once I decide to open a quart jar it’s time it goes in my everyday rotation. Hope that helped a bit. JMHO & YMMV
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Post by roadsdiverged on Feb 8, 2019 18:32:21 GMT -5
As with everything pipe related, it's totally up to you. I've read that opening them stops the aging process, but I dont see how. It's still aging. I think it was Baboo who said he periodically opens all of his to introduce fresh oxygen. I could be wrong or misread. Personally, I keep mine closed. That doesnt say much considering I havent been smoking that long. Once in a while I go through all of them and give them a look over, then put them back in there resting spot. I only put 3 oz per jar. How is it working? I have absolutely no idea. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 8, 2019 19:04:34 GMT -5
If it’s a tobacco your smoking often store in 2 to 4 ounce size jars. If your planning on “ long term “ aging, that’s where I use the quart size jars. Once you open a jar, your stopping the fermentation process, therefore stopping the tobacco from aging. Once you re-cap the process starts again. Most of my everyday tobacco’s are in their tins and my bulks are in 2 ounce wide mouth jars. Once I decide to open a quart jar it’s time it goes in my everyday rotation. Hope that helped a bit. JMHO & YMMV Pretty much what Ted has said...I've seen the difference between opening and closing a particular tobacco vs. leaving it closed for a period of 5 years.. .BIG difference! Why, I don't know...I've read til my eyes bleed and that is what Pease and others have said also. If your aim is to age a tobacco...leave it the hell alone until you have reached the period you are ready to start smoking it. Josh has seen the difference 5 years make on OGS and Marlin Flake...raspy vs. sweet and smooth...take your choice. |
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Post by AJ on Feb 8, 2019 19:17:47 GMT -5
I have read and heard arguments on both sides. The arguments, it seem, all have valid points which led me to believe it’s a choice. My choice is to keep the jars sealed until they have aged as long as I want, usually at least five years. I have opened a jar or two and resealed them after two years and then left them for another three years before reopening. I can’t honestly say I could tell any difference however, my palate lends itself to being on the pedestrian side. YMMV
AJ
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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 8, 2019 19:25:03 GMT -5
If it’s a tobacco your smoking often store in 2 to 4 ounce size jars. If your planning on “ long term “ aging, that’s where I use the quart size jars. Once you open a jar, your stopping the fermentation process, therefore stopping the tobacco from aging. Once you re-cap the process starts again. Most of my everyday tobacco’s are in their tins and my bulks are in 2 ounce wide mouth jars. Once I decide to open a quart jar it’s time it goes in my everyday rotation. Hope that helped a bit. JMHO & YMMV ok - thanks Ted , that's what I thought ... And pretty much do the same .  |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Feb 8, 2019 19:25:06 GMT -5
I jar stuff, open it, smoke it, seal it back up, rinse, repeat. A lot of my jars are a year old, and haven't lost moisture. Pease suggests that opening them exposes them to new aerobic fermentation. I'm not scientist, never played one on TV, but I'll subscribe to that method and just see what happens! I usually jar open tins after a couple months of them being open.
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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 8, 2019 19:30:04 GMT -5
If it’s a tobacco your smoking often store in 2 to 4 ounce size jars. If your planning on “ long term “ aging, that’s where I use the quart size jars. Once you open a jar, your stopping the fermentation process, therefore stopping the tobacco from aging. Once you re-cap the process starts again. Most of my everyday tobacco’s are in their tins and my bulks are in 2 ounce wide mouth jars. Once I decide to open a quart jar it’s time it goes in my everyday rotation. Hope that helped a bit. JMHO & YMMV Pretty much what Ted has said...I've seen the difference between opening and closing a particular tobacco vs. leaving it closed for a period of 5 years.. .BIG difference! Why, I don't know...I've read til my eyes bleed and that is what Pease and others have said also. If your aim is to age a tobacco...leave it the hell alone until you have reached the period you are ready to start smoking it. Josh has seen the difference 5 years make on OGS and Marlin Flake...raspy vs. sweet and smooth...take your choice. ok well , that's some confirmation there ... I've read alot [probably much of the same material] also . Yes , that seems to be the consensus ... ty |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 8, 2019 19:40:02 GMT -5
Is it o.k. to open your storage / glass jars from time to time {e.g. 1,2,6 mnths. 1 yr. 2 yrs. , etc.} & take some out & seal back up until next interval{s} ? Or does it have to stay sealed until you think it's ready and then smoke all of the tobacco out of that jar asap ? I think I read somewhere where GL Pease subscribed to the 2nd option / choice ... ? Whats been your experience ? I open mine periodically to remove small portions and place in a smaller daily use jar. I have not seen any bad effect from that. |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 8, 2019 19:43:06 GMT -5
If it’s a tobacco your smoking often store in 2 to 4 ounce size jars. If your planning on “ long term “ aging, that’s where I use the quart size jars. Once you open a jar, your stopping the fermentation process, therefore stopping the tobacco from aging. Once you re-cap the process starts again. Most of my everyday tobacco’s are in their tins and my bulks are in 2 ounce wide mouth jars. Once I decide to open a quart jar it’s time it goes in my everyday rotation. Hope that helped a bit. JMHO & YMMV Thanks, lonecoyote. I wasn't aware fermentation restarted when when you did. I usually jar a smaller amount in a small jar for use. and leave the large jar in the cellar and forget about. But sometimes I have done transfers from the large to the small. I'll plan better in the future and set up a couple of smaller jars for short term use and just leave my large jars alone. |
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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 8, 2019 19:43:53 GMT -5
I have read and heard arguments on both sides. The arguments, it seem, all have valid points which led me to believe it’s a choice. My choice is to keep the jars sealed until they have aged as long as I want, usually at least five years. I have opened a jar or two and resealed them after two years and then left them for another three years before reopening. I can’t honestly say I could tell any difference however, my palate lends itself to being on the pedestrian side. YMMV AJ I have read arguments on both sides also , AJ . See , now that's what I mean ... Which is it ? Ha-ha ! I guess I'll have to experiment {seal 2 / open & close 1 after certain time & reseal} ? Experience ... I've only just started cellaring {2018 / aprox. 8 mnths.} recently after smoking pipes 40+ years . thanks |
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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 8, 2019 19:46:12 GMT -5
Is it o.k. to open your storage / glass jars from time to time {e.g. 1,2,6 mnths. 1 yr. 2 yrs. , etc.} & take some out & seal back up until next interval{s} ? Or does it have to stay sealed until you think it's ready and then smoke all of the tobacco out of that jar asap ? I think I read somewhere where GL Pease subscribed to the 2nd option / choice ... ? Whats been your experience ? I open mine periodically to remove small portions and place in a smaller daily use jar. I have not seen any bad effect from that. Yes ! I've done that with a few also . Can't tell / see any problems ... Yet . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 19:53:56 GMT -5
I use quart jars and just leave them alone until I am ready to smoke the whole jar. But then I am fond of 8oz tins as well as 3.5oz tins and pretty much have decided what I like. From what I understand once you open anything the ageing stops and begins again when you reseal it. 8oz jar opened at five years reclosed and aged three more still equals eight to me. Only the shadow knows.
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 9, 2019 4:14:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure on the science of the ageing process. However, I wonder would opening the jar in the middle of the process be a bit like opening the oven before a soufflé is finished. You're introducing new conditions - kinda resetting the counter back to zero when you open it. So I think the stuff will still age, but it'll take a lot longer.
Think of this as an example (and I could be way off here on how the process works, but if it works a little like this then it would explain why opening the jar makes a difference)...
Year 1 - not much ageing happens. The air is changing over time as the ageing process starts, but it's more atmospheric.
Year 2 - more ageing happens.
Year 3 - a lot more ageing happens.
Year 4 - heaps more ageing happens.
But if you open the jar at the start of year 2 then the clock is reset and you're back to year 1 conditions again. If you keep opening after a year then you're not going to see much change over time.
Again - this is completely plucked out of the air - but in my head it helps to explain why there's a slight difference.
HOWEVER...that's not to say that you can't open the jar and take some out after a year or so - it's your tobacco...your rules.
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Post by kbareit on Feb 9, 2019 5:47:58 GMT -5
When I buy a pound of tobacco I put some in a 4oz jar for smoking now then some in a pint jar for when the small jar runs out and a quart jar for long term storage. When I get to the quart the plan is to divide it down to smaller jars some for more aging and some for smoking. If it's in a tin, if it's opened it goes in a jar and if it's unopened it remains in the tin unless it is SPC blends. I don't trust cardboard cans to keep the tobacco good. That's my plan and I hope it works out the way I planned it.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 9, 2019 6:01:33 GMT -5
LoneCoyote has this one under wraps.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 9, 2019 12:32:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure on the science of the ageing process. However, I wonder would opening the jar in the middle of the process be a bit like opening the oven before a soufflé is finished. You're introducing new conditions - kinda resetting the counter back to zero when you open it. So I think the stuff will still age, but it'll take a lot longer. Think of this as an example (and I could be way off here on how the process works, but if it works a little like this then it would explain why opening the jar makes a difference)... Year 1 - not much ageing happens. The air is changing over time as the ageing process starts, but it's more atmospheric. Year 2 - more ageing happens. Year 3 - a lot more ageing happens. Year 4 - heaps more ageing happens. But if you open the jar at the start of year 2 then the clock is reset and you're back to year 1 conditions again. If you keep opening after a year then you're not going to see much change over time. Again - this is completely plucked out of the air - but in my head it helps to explain why there's a slight difference. HOWEVER...that's not to say that you can't open the jar and take some out after a year or so - it's your tobacco...your rules. If you reopen after 10 years, does it reset to year 1? That doesn't sound right. |
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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 9, 2019 12:40:27 GMT -5
I started an experiment {2 control specs.} with 2 quart jars of GH Glengarry flake ... 1 jar I plan to open after 1 , 2 & 3 years {reseal till 5 years} . The other jar will stay sealed up the full 5 year period . Then see what the differences are ... If any ? Sound cogent / reasonable ?
edit : I made these jars {last week} up with ; 2 - quart jars , 1 - 8 ounce , & 1 - 4 ounce .
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Post by roadsdiverged on Feb 9, 2019 12:43:04 GMT -5
In 5 years we will know the answer to your original post  Hopefully I'll still be around for the results |
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Post by libertysmoke on Feb 9, 2019 12:46:35 GMT -5
In 5 years we will know the answer to your original post Hopefully I'll still be around for the results  ha-ha !! Same here man . I Always say {to myself} = LORD Willing ... |
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 9, 2019 13:15:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure on the science of the ageing process. However, I wonder would opening the jar in the middle of the process be a bit like opening the oven before a soufflé is finished. You're introducing new conditions - kinda resetting the counter back to zero when you open it. So I think the stuff will still age, but it'll take a lot longer. Think of this as an example (and I could be way off here on how the process works, but if it works a little like this then it would explain why opening the jar makes a difference)... Year 1 - not much ageing happens. The air is changing over time as the ageing process starts, but it's more atmospheric. Year 2 - more ageing happens. Year 3 - a lot more ageing happens. Year 4 - heaps more ageing happens. But if you open the jar at the start of year 2 then the clock is reset and you're back to year 1 conditions again. If you keep opening after a year then you're not going to see much change over time. Again - this is completely plucked out of the air - but in my head it helps to explain why there's a slight difference. HOWEVER...that's not to say that you can't open the jar and take some out after a year or so - it's your tobacco...your rules. If you reopen after 10 years, does it reset to year 1? That doesn't sound right. OK, that's a flaw in my logic... Let me adjust my initial thoughts... If you open after 10 years it'll be at 10 years worth of aging, but if you own it again after another year you may not notice a difference between year 10 and year 11, but you will notice a difference if you compare that 10+1 years to an 11 year aged tobacco, you will notice a difference. Please note: I'm talking complete crap. |
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Post by slowroll on Feb 9, 2019 13:43:04 GMT -5
Lots of thoughts on both sides. Howver, just to throw another take on it all, let's consider the following: fermentation is a function of yeast spores, and they want some oxygen, e.g., wine, beer and booze are fermented in the open. Cigar leaves are just stacked. I'm not sure opening will reset, it may change it a bit, but it depends on whether the process that aging creates is aerobic or nonaerobic. I'm not sure that's really known for sure. In any event, if the functional process is fermentation, it'll stop when the yeast is used up, not if the jar is opened.
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ha-ha !! Same here man . I Always say {to myself} = LORD Willing ...
