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Post by mel64us on Feb 21, 2019 11:26:24 GMT -5
The prices of tinned tobaccos has risen since I started smoking them. For me, on fixed income, while I enjoy some of those blends,ie. Squadron Leader, Odessey, and many others, I am going to start cellaring bulk blends. Some of them are nicely priced and are really quite good.
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Post by Spartacus on Feb 21, 2019 11:56:40 GMT -5
I cellar both. I usually only buy tin tobacco when it's on sale. Like when P&C had Dunhill for $6.99 last December. I cellared about 80 tins. I just bide my time and look for deals.
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Post by tr on Feb 21, 2019 12:03:11 GMT -5
It's a good idea to stock up on the blends you like. As they say, tobacco will never be cheaper than it is right now.
I'm still in the process of figuring out what I like and what my favorite blends are since I've only been smoking a pipe less than a year, but I have begun buying quantities of some blends that I know I want.
Prices go up and companies stop producing (McClelland, Dunhill,etc.) so stockpiling blends you don't want to be without is always a good idea.
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Post by captblack on Feb 21, 2019 12:26:15 GMT -5
I prefer bulk tobaccos whenever possible, and if you are going to stock up, now is the time to do it. There is no better time than the present.
For newer smokers, decide what you like (e.g. Virginas, Va/Pers, Va/Per/Bur, Latakia, Aromatics, etc) and cellar blends that match your flavor profile. Id go as far to say that you should cellar blends even if you havent tried them, provided they match your flavor profile and are well rated.
You really cant go wrong cellaring LBF or similar blends no matter what your tastes are.
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Post by Spartacus on Feb 21, 2019 12:37:32 GMT -5
I prefer bulk tobaccos whenever possible, and if you are going to stock up, now is the time to do it. There is no better time than the present. For newer smokers, decide what you like (e.g. Virginas, Va/Pers, Va/Per/Bur, Latakia, Aromatics, etc) and cellar blends that match your flavor profile. Id go as far to say that you should cellar blends even if you havent tried them, provided they match your flavor profile and are well rated. You really cant go wrong cellaring LBF or similar blends no matter what your tastes are. Totally agree! I have tins cellared that I don't really care for. My tastes may change in the future or I can trade for stuff I do like.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 21, 2019 12:39:02 GMT -5
I agree with the folks above. Just figure out what you like and cellar it, whether tin or bulk, as prices will only continue to go up from here. I favor tins, but I focus on those offered in 1/2 pound or 1 pound quantity (Cornel & Diehl, GL Pease and MacBaren HH, mostly flakes). But I do have an assortment of 2 oz tins as I happen to have accumulated these over past years. If you buy in bulk, though, I expect the tobacco comes in plastic bags. You ought to immediately transfer those tobaccos to mason jars. Good luck. Note, 2 oz tins is a good and cheaper method to taste a variety of tobaccos and figure out what you like.
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Post by McWiggins on Feb 21, 2019 13:16:23 GMT -5
Cellar both of course but know there is a difference.
Tinned is packed up at its perfection. Not so much of what it could be with age but namely moisture content.
Bulk can dry out depending how many times they have had to go into it or if someone left it open or did not close it very well. More times than not, its really not a problem and I have only had one bulk come in a bit dryer.
I think it best to buy a new blend tinned so you know you're getting the best. If it comes in bulk and you liked what you tried, buy the bulk and pack in well in mason jars.
Also, keep in mind there are tinned blends you can buy in bulk that have a different name or are just off by 5% or less. For example, try smelling and smoking side by side Sutliff's Molto Dolce and Creme Brule.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 13:33:59 GMT -5
The only advantage to bulk is it's less expensive. If there are a couple bulks you really dig, go very deep. I have multiple pounds of McClelland #5100 and #2015 jarred. I'd probably be fine if that was all I had on hand to smoke, especially since they are all between five and twelve years old now - Finest Kind.
The question becomes the 500 + tins on hand? Total overkill on my part, TAD maximus. The McClelland/McCranie red Vas I have on hand would also probably be sufficient to get me to the next phase if my bulk winded up in the dumpster.
My advice is stick to the tins, cellar deep and narrow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 14:23:53 GMT -5
Some bulk tobacco’s smoke just as well as the tin version. Once you find a bulk you really enjoy stock up as much as possible. Tobacco will not be cheaper than it is now when you find a good sale. STOCK UP DEEP👍👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 16:45:08 GMT -5
If you really like a blend, buy it (and soon). I'm budget conscious too, but when looking at prices here, stateside, I remind myself what Canadian, European, and other world pipers are paying.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 21, 2019 16:58:17 GMT -5
Right about pricing. German prices (and EU in general) seem to run about 50% more the the US. UK seem to be double. Maybe Legend Lover can confirm that. I wouldn't be surprised if over the next few years US prices rose to meet that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:05:34 GMT -5
If you really like a blend, buy it (and soon). I'm budget conscious too, but when looking at prices here, stateside, I remind myself what Canadian, European, and other world pipers are paying. I have a buddy that lives in Australia. The average price for a good tin 1.5 .oz is roughly $59.00. I’d definitely grow my own leaf!!!
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Post by trailboss on Feb 21, 2019 18:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 21, 2019 18:44:39 GMT -5
Right about pricing. German prices (and EU in general) seem to run about 50% more the the US. UK seem to be double. Maybe Legend Lover can confirm that. I wouldn't be surprised if over the next few years US prices rose to meet that. a 50g tin of pretty much all tobacco is around £14.50 (about $19). Most of it is tax and there are never any deals on tobacco. I the government have a say in that.
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 21, 2019 19:03:58 GMT -5
Who would a thought? Criminalizing growing tobacco leaf.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:11:02 GMT -5
Back in the 1960's, Australia was considered one of the last frontiers and people wanted to migrate there, thinking freedom abounded . . . . . . things have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:13:13 GMT -5
EVERYTHING one purchases in Australia is highly taxed. So, it’s not so bad in the States....” right now “. Actually, compared to many other Countries “ we “ have it pretty darn good.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Feb 21, 2019 19:27:30 GMT -5
I buy both. But I have yet to find a tinned version that's significantly better than its bulk version for any blend. So I'm happy buying in bulk over tinned when available.
The old saying tobacco will never be cheaper is only true in a general sense. Know/learn the market. If you do, you can better ID when the time is right to load up.
I'll use the $6.99 Dunhill sale already mentioned in this thread as an example. Some people were stocking up on those tins in July for $10 each saying, "I'm buying now because tobacco will never be cheaper". And yet, several months later those same tins were $6.99. I can give other examples, but suffice it to say: know when to buy and recognize what's really a good deal and not just a small sale/discount.
Also, if you've been smoking a pipe for less than a few years know this, too: YOUR PIPE TOBACCO PREFERENCES ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
A few years from now you probably will barely be able to tolerate some of the blends you love today and today's so-so blends may become you're favorite. The catch is, you won't know which is going to be which because it's a slow evolution. It takes time. Assumptions are unreliable.
Some read the above and think, "That's ok. I can always trade what I no longer like for what I do like in the future."
The problem with that line of thinking is, blends don't appreciate at the same rate. The value doesn't remain uniform.
Only several years ago, Esoterica blends were largely ignored, McClelland was widely available, and no one would have believed a grape flavored Captain Black would outlast Dunhill blends.
If you fall out of love with something you cellared deep but is still widely available and fall in love with something that's hard to find, you didn't really save much money by buying early. You'll be trading 3oz of yours for 1oz of theirs....at best.
Be smart.
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Post by AJ on Feb 21, 2019 21:32:13 GMT -5
If a blend is offered in tin and bulk it makes sense to buy the bulk because of the price difference, but buying in the tin is much more convenient and easier to trade/sell should one decide to do so. I actually prefer buying tins because of the convenience but my pocketbook often dictates I buy in bulk.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 21:36:49 GMT -5
How much does one need? Maybe a few tins and a couple jars on hand is enough?
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Post by puritana on Feb 21, 2019 21:45:49 GMT -5
I try to buy everything on sale, if possible.
I buy tins to try different blends, I buy bulk with the notion that someday I might not be able to afford anything and I'll be glad to have the bulk jars.
But, I've never really cellared deep....maybe a year or three in total.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 21, 2019 22:04:33 GMT -5
If my house burned down and all my tobacco went up in smoke, I have a plan B.
I am going to squat on Darin’s land and smoke from his production facility.
He cannot read this, so don’t mention it this post is encrypted... he cannot read it.
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 22, 2019 9:08:04 GMT -5
If my house burned down and all my tobacco went up in smoke, but think of the neighbourhood note...
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Post by trailboss on Feb 22, 2019 17:39:10 GMT -5
How much does one need? Maybe a few tins and a couple jars on hand is enough? It shouldn’t matter how much someone needs, and it really is nobody’s business how much anyone needs. When some individual or government feels that is their role to make that determination, eventually they can determine that you don’t need any....and that it is for your own good that you don’t get any. I don’t want anyone’s boot on my throat.
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Post by crapgame on Feb 22, 2019 18:00:57 GMT -5
I have a few tins.. most is bulk.. I just like playing with the jars..
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Post by Darin on Feb 22, 2019 18:27:21 GMT -5
Besides having what I want / need there is the concept of bartering power to consider in the future as well. It's not going away and will only increase in value. ps ... don't tell Charlie but my Chex Cereal Decoder Ring arrived last week and I have cracked his code!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 19:02:34 GMT -5
If my house burned down and all my tobacco went up in smoke, but think of the neighbourhood note... That would be “ neighborhood “........you guys need to drop the “ u “ in many of your words......lol.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 22, 2019 21:50:08 GMT -5
Hey Ted...I have read enough of Doyle, Tolkien, and Lewis.....I think you might come across as a hillbilly on this one.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Feb 23, 2019 9:15:37 GMT -5
If a blend is offered in tin and bulk it makes sense to buy the bulk because of the price difference, but buying in the tin is much more convenient and easier to trade/sell should one decide to do so. I actually prefer buying tins because of the convenience but my pocketbook often dictates I buy in bulk. AJ If the 4 year old GH Dark plug that I got from you is an example of jar aged tobacco, then Ball Jars is getting my money. As for tins, I think half the attraction is the tin itself. Unfortunately, the huge warning on the tins, these days, removes most of that attraction for me. If it gets as bad as Europe, then the tin won't matter at all, to me. So, if anyone has a bunch of Jarred, well aged, tobacco that they want to get rid of, but are worried it won't sell, I'll be your huckleberry!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 9:32:03 GMT -5
I can give an honest example of two tobacco’s that are horrendous in bulk.....
Dunhill Night cap
Lane Medal of Valor
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