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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 28, 2019 19:56:02 GMT -5
My mom and I always hated the "Colored Only" water fountains and bathrooms. We had black friends from as early as I can remember. We were surrounded by a lot of very racist people, but not all, and I would guess less than a third. Not bad for the 50's and 60's. I was lucky to be in Houston. When we visited our country cousins we had to keep our mouths shut or we would have been outcasts. It is so much better now, but you wouldn't think so to listen to the news. What was good was that I didn't know what was going on in the world, I didn't know how hard my dad had to work, or why he had always hidden that he was half Native American. That kind of stuff. It's easy to remember my friends with their new bicycles, the little white houses with neat flower beds and hedges, the friendly ice cream man that didn't come with warnings to watch out for the child molester, etc.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 28, 2019 21:40:45 GMT -5
I used to have an old black gentleman as a customer in Oakland Ca. in the 80’s... he lamented the old days when the family structure was strong when he was young in that same community, the family was pretty tight knit and solid. He saw the degradation of the neighborhoods in the 1970’s.
If anyone reads more into that than what I say, that is their view... that was his comment, pure and simple.
A nice old gentleman that worked at Flint’s barbecue... great stuff, but spicy and would burn your lips off if you went with high octane.
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 4:14:39 GMT -5
Take off your rose colored glasses. "The Way It Was" wasn't so good for so many. I don't know why we need this spam my crazy uncle sent me 10 years ago cut'n pasted on a pipe board? Your wearing black glasses, times are so much better today?? Take a good look around you, a society of young people with no respect and know it alls. Help thy neighbor is a thing of the past. Bingo. Togetherness, family values, and common courtesy are a dying thing. Sex offenders are given leniency and the good people are penalized for trying to live right. Completely different world than I grew up in.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Mar 1, 2019 8:30:44 GMT -5
Your wearing black glasses, times are so much better today?? Take a good look around you, a society of young people with no respect and know it alls. Help thy neighbor is a thing of the past. Bingo. Togetherness, family values, and common courtesy are a dying thing. Sex offenders are given leniency and the good people are penalized for trying to live right. Completely different world than I grew up in. It's been interesting, to see the different perspectives on this thread. I wonder, can you expand a bit? In what way do you see good people being penalized? Near as I can tell, the country is more inclusive than it's ever been?
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 9:08:24 GMT -5
Bingo. Togetherness, family values, and common courtesy are a dying thing. Sex offenders are given leniency and the good people are penalized for trying to live right. Completely different world than I grew up in. It's been interesting, to see the different perspectives on this thread. I wonder, can you expand a bit? In what way do you see good people being penalized? Near as I can tell, the country is more inclusive than it's ever been? Inclusive is part of the problem. Case in point, having your job threatened for accidentally doing or saying something that will offend a child defiling coworker. Accepting one means accepting all.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Mar 1, 2019 9:22:26 GMT -5
It's been interesting, to see the different perspectives on this thread. I wonder, can you expand a bit? In what way do you see good people being penalized? Near as I can tell, the country is more inclusive than it's ever been? Inclusive is part of the problem. Case in point, having your job threatened for accidentally doing or saying something that will offend a child defiling coworker. Accepting one means accepting all. Er... what? Where have you ever seen anyone advocate for sexual predators? I must have missed this movement?
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 9:28:10 GMT -5
My company had a meeting prior to bringing in a new hire with a known status. Harassment training followed so as to not offend this person. Welcome to the "new" normal.
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Post by pappyjoe on Mar 1, 2019 9:38:04 GMT -5
My company had a meeting prior to bringing in a new hire with a known status. Harassment training followed so as to not offend this person. Welcome to the "new" normal. I would answer that by pointing out legislation being introduced in a large state that would eliminate the need for some convicted sexual predators to register as sex offenders and to treat pedophilia as a sexual orientation instead of a crime. But that would be getting political I guess.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Mar 1, 2019 9:38:13 GMT -5
My company had a meeting prior to bringing in a new hire with a known status. Harassment training followed so as to not offend this person. Welcome to the "new" normal. Ah, ok, that's a little different then. No, your company wouldn't let you harass people at work, there's a lawsuit concern there. Why they'd hire a sex offender in the first place might be an interesting question. Was it maybe a technicality sort of thing, 18yo guy with a 17yo girlfriend etc.? Either way, how does a policy against workplace harassment equate to penalizing people living right? I'm in full agreement that HR has too much power in corporate America these days, but can't see how that equates to a loss of "family values"?
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Post by dervis on Mar 1, 2019 9:43:37 GMT -5
Take it or leave it. It was in the post. It was right there in the original post. If you read it and it bothered you that would be the "leave" it part. Seriously people it was a simple reposting of something meant to make us remember a good time in our life and reflect on it for a moment. A long list so that possibly there would be something each of us could relate to in it. A 5 second mental smile. Something my grandmother would probably ask me to print off and hang on her refrigerator.
A gentle reminder that in the pursuit of things we as humanity didn't have in the "old" days to not forget to bring along some of the good things we already did have.
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 9:45:30 GMT -5
My company had a meeting prior to bringing in a new hire with a known status. Harassment training followed so as to not offend this person. Welcome to the "new" normal. Ah, ok, that's a little different then. No, your company wouldn't let you harass people at work, there's a lawsuit concern there. Why they'd hire a sex offender in the first place might be an interesting question. Was it maybe a technicality sort of thing, 18yo guy with a 17yo girlfriend etc.? Either way, how does a policy against workplace harassment equate to penalizing people living right? I'm in full agreement that HR has too much power in corporate America these days, but can't see how that equates to a loss of "family values"? 52 and a 12 year old. We were forbidden from speaking of family and children around them for fear of triggering them. As for loss of family values, I hear more and more young women in my community not knowing who their childrens' father's are and some with multiple children each with a different father. Families talk less and opt to spend more time blindly looking at devices and computers and not talking to one another.
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 9:48:30 GMT -5
That was referring to the choices at the table. Eat what was offered or go hungry. No pandering to finicky eaters.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Mar 1, 2019 9:53:26 GMT -5
Good post Dervis very wise , yes old values are going away and not in a good way. While working at Exxon in my last years I was asked to interview new hires, being a short timer I could turn it down and I did because they told me I couldn’t ask them if they smoked marijuana, I was stunned, a Chemical Plant is a ticking bomb, and the safety of the Community ignorned. Inclusion to me is a word that makes me wonder, sometimes good, but sometimes very bad.
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Post by dervis on Mar 1, 2019 9:57:40 GMT -5
That was referring to the choices at the table. Eat what was offered or go hungry. No pandering to finicky eaters. Good point!
Lets see if I can get in on this. Mrs Lincoln didn't have a good time at the play! Try telling her it was the good ole days! harrumph!!!!!
Sorry for the interruption. Egg on my face! Please continue..
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Post by Stearmandriver on Mar 1, 2019 10:05:00 GMT -5
Ah, ok, that's a little different then. No, your company wouldn't let you harass people at work, there's a lawsuit concern there. Why they'd hire a sex offender in the first place might be an interesting question. Was it maybe a technicality sort of thing, 18yo guy with a 17yo girlfriend etc.? Either way, how does a policy against workplace harassment equate to penalizing people living right? I'm in full agreement that HR has too much power in corporate America these days, but can't see how that equates to a loss of "family values"? 52 and a 12 year old. We were forbidden from speaking of family and children around them for fear of triggering them. As for loss of family values, I hear more and more young women in my community not knowing who their childrens' father's are and some with multiple children each with a different father. Families talk less and opt to spend more time blindly looking at devices and computers and not talking to one another. Got ya. I'd happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you at his lynching. I think expecting you to work alongside someone like that would qualify as "harassment" for you all.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Mar 1, 2019 10:24:11 GMT -5
...it was a simple reposting of something meant to make us remember a good time in our life and reflect on it for a moment. A Exactly. I'm reflecting. Objectively, I think this is a historically accurate depiction of family values in 50's America: "Jimmy, this is America, the greatest country in the world, where anyone can be anything they want!" "Gee Dad, that's neat! But wait, what about mom? She loves building design. She says she would have loved to have been an architect. But she couldn't. Why not?" "Uh, well..." "And those kids over there... they live across the street but they aren't allowed to go to my school, or even drink out of the same water fountain. Can they be whatever they want?" "Uh..." "And those guys down the street, Bill and Tom. Remember when Bill wanted to be a deacon, but the priest threw them both out of the church?" "Well... look Jimmy. You have light skin. You're a boy. And you like girls! (You DO like girls, right Jimmy? Ok then.) YOU can be whatever you want" Perhaps that seems snarky, but you see the point. On the other hand, I get the point of being nostalgic for a time that was simpler and seemed more wholesome in some ways (even though it really wasn't). I grew up in midwest farmland in the 70s and 80s and I understand that lifestyle. I live in a small town in western WA and much of it still exists. I've always seen it more as a rural vs urban thing instead of a generational thing, but maybe our urban dwellers would disagree. Like I said, interesting perspectives.
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Post by pappyjoe on Mar 1, 2019 10:38:22 GMT -5
I remember the good old days.
Days when you could sit in a bar or cocktail lounge and have a pipe.
Days when you could walk around outside or sit in a public park and smoke your pipe without getting hassled.
Days when you could walk into a department store and pick out a new pipe and some tobacco.
I even miss the days when you could sit in your office or at your workplace and smoke your pipe.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 1, 2019 12:44:23 GMT -5
Days when you could go into Woolsworth and by a K98 Mauser for $12.50 and no one worried about you shooting anyone with it. I remember a nice family in a Leave it to Beaver neighborhood. My oldest brother remembered my dad as the meanest old SOB that ever lived. My next younger brother was beaten and thrown out of the house at 15 because he broke into my piggy bank. I am glad that I didn't see that. My dad talked about his dad beating him with a logging chain if he dawdled getting home from school. I have found out in recent years that a lot of the girls I knew were molested by their dads and brothers, and if they said anything no one believed them. Not all families are falling apart. I know many strong families. Things are better now. We have selective memories, and tend to remember things better than they were. I could hardly believe the treatment of blacks that I saw on the news in the sixties, but when I was in Birmingham in 1970, I pulled up to several black guys on a corner to ask directions and all but one took several steps back. The slow guy stuttered so much he couldn't speak. It was one of the worst days of my life. I saw worse things that I won't talk about and I couldn't do anything about at the time. I live in a very mixed community now, everyone seems to get along and everyone speaks to each other. Very comfortable with the current situation except for the news media.
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 1, 2019 13:21:25 GMT -5
The 50's and 60's were a different world. Threat of nuclear attack (I remember the school drills of hiding under the tables - lot of use that would do), awakening of the civil rights movement (watching the integration process played out on TV, sometimes violently), and the new experimental nature of rebellious music, literature and drugs. I remember cool things: picnics on the beach, home made ice cream, the Beatles replacing the Beach Boys and dances in the high school gym. But there were some not so cool things too: prejudice, and not just against blacks and hispanics, but against Jews and Catholics as well. Even in a community that had a broad range of religious representation. We also watched the assassination of a President on TV, and a landing of astronauts on the moon. It was a different age but no different than any other age. Good and bad combined. I think we are in a better time now, and I think it is getting even better. At least we are airing our dirty laundry and trying to fix our problems. That's more than we did in the 50's. But even so, I miss picnics on wide empty beaches in Southern California and home made ice cream. And, to pappyjoe's point, I wish I could smoke my pipe in the park and not be hassled.
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 19:47:50 GMT -5
That was referring to the choices at the table. Eat what was offered or go hungry. No pandering to finicky eaters. Good point!
Lets see if I can get in on this. Mrs Lincoln didn't have a good time at the play! Try telling her it was the good ole days! harrumph!!!!!
Sorry for the interruption. Egg on my face! Please continue..
😂 No interruption at all, and so true!
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Post by chasingembers on Mar 1, 2019 19:49:20 GMT -5
52 and a 12 year old. We were forbidden from speaking of family and children around them for fear of triggering them. As for loss of family values, I hear more and more young women in my community not knowing who their childrens' father's are and some with multiple children each with a different father. Families talk less and opt to spend more time blindly looking at devices and computers and not talking to one another. Got ya. I'd happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you at his lynching. I think expecting you to work alongside someone like that would qualify as "harassment" for you all. Yep, walking on egg shells 12 hours per day is no picnic.
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