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Post by cheap on Mar 5, 2019 17:54:18 GMT -5
I want to try some unflavored Cavendish, both by itself and possibly in a blend. It seems like a lot of Cavendish has a top coat of some sort. As I understand it, some Cavendish is made with Virginia leaves and others are made with burley, but I can’t always tell from the description which kind of tobacco is used. Also, I can’t always tell if the mention of certain tastes indicates a flavored topping on the tobacco or the tobacco itself, perhaps as the result of the Cavendish process.
What is a good straight, unflavored Virginia Cavendish?
What is a good straight, unflavored burley Cavendish?
Thank you for your help!
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 5, 2019 19:04:35 GMT -5
Cavendish is a base for aromatic blends. I don't really smoke it for its own value (if there is any).
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Post by Darin on Mar 5, 2019 19:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by captblack on Mar 5, 2019 19:57:56 GMT -5
Straight blending Cavendish is almost always cased, but isnt topped. It does add a sweet zing to some blends and can be enjoyable on its own, although it is a light on the Vitamin N.
A good straight Cavendish is the Peter Stokkebye 501. And its inexpensive too.
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Post by atison on Mar 6, 2019 10:32:54 GMT -5
Straight blending Cavendish is almost always cased, but isnt topped. It does add a sweet zing to some blends and can be enjoyable on its own, although it is a light on the Vitamin N. A good straight Cavendish is the Peter Stokkebye 501. And its inexpensive too. Can you elaborate on the difference between "cased" and "topped". I have always wondered this. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Mar 6, 2019 10:51:04 GMT -5
Straight blending Cavendish is almost always cased, but isnt topped. It does add a sweet zing to some blends and can be enjoyable on its own, although it is a light on the Vitamin N. A good straight Cavendish is the Peter Stokkebye 501. And its inexpensive too. Can you elaborate on the difference between "cased" and "topped". I have always wondered this. Most tobacco is cased in some way, usually sugar water, or molasses, or the like during processing. Topped is when they flavor the tobacco after processing, i.e., vanilla, etc. From GL Pease: Q: I keep hearing about "cased" tobacco. What does this mean? A: There are two things of interest here, namely "casing" and "top flavouring." They are two distinctly different approaches to altering a blend's flavor. Some tobaccos employ both. Casing requires that the tobacco be soaked in or sprayed with a "sauce" that may contain sugar, molasses, liquorice, alcohols like rum or whiskey, and various flavourings, natural or otherwise, depending on the manufacturer. Once the tobacco "drinks" the sauce, it's conditioned in large cylinders that dry it back to the desired moisture level, generally between 12% (on the dry side) and 22% (very moist). Optimal moisture for smoking depends on the smoker, but it's generally in the 13-16% range. The aromas and flavours imparted by casing will remain in the tobacco pretty tenaciously, and will affect the smoke throughout the bowl. Top-flavouring is added by spraying the finished blend with scents and flavourings. This is usually a much lighter application, and doesn't alter the moisture content of the leaf dramatically. Sometimes called "top-notes," this can be quite ephemeral. Because of the volatile nature of many of the commonly used components, a tobacco left to "air out" may lose a lot of the perfume that's applied this way. Depending on the casing used, tobaccos can become very sticky. Some producers use humectants to maintain a specific moisture level in the final product. You'll hear people talk about PG, or propylene glycol, the most commonly used humectant these days. It's generally spoken of in rather disparaging terms, thought it's not the PG that deserves the condmenation, but the blending houses who use it with reckless abandon. If the tobacco won't dry out, PG is likely the culprit. In small quantities, it does its job well. In large quantities, it produces a sticky, wet smoking, pipe clogging weed that should never see the inside of a pipe. Not all flavoured tobaccos are cased, and casing is not always a bad thing, but the term is used incorrectly more often than not, so a lot of confusion has been created. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Mar 6, 2019 11:13:40 GMT -5
Here's more from Pease:
In fact, very few mass-produced tobaccos on the market today are NOT cased. Casing is the process of adding sugars and flavouring agents before the leaf is further processed. The raw leaf is be soaked or sprayed with a solution of sugars and flavourings like liquorice, molasses, vanilla, tonquin, and so on. The amount of sauce absorbed by the leaf depends on the method of application, the structure of the leaf, and the length of time the leaf is in contact with the sauce before further processing. The leaf is then processed as usual. It can be conditioned and cut, or pressed and held to allow further fermentation. It can be heated, steamed, toasted, or just allowed to “bulk” in the atmosphere.
Many raw tobaccos, especially burleys, are harsh, and can have poor smoking characteristics. Very few smokers have ever experienced virginias or burleys that do not have SOME sort of casing applied. It's not the casing that turns smokers of “pure” tobacco off; it's the over-application of flavourings. When used delicately, they enhance the flavour of the tobacco itself. When used heavily, as in most American style aromatic tobaccos, they can overpower the underlying tobacco flavours.
Q: So, are your tobaccos cased?
A: In some cases, yes. It's can be an important and necessary step in providing the best possible smoking experience, and that's what it's all about, right? Most of the mixtures, on the other hand, are not cased, and Union Square is one of very few, if any, pure virginia tobaccos available anywhere that is produced completely without additional sugars or sauces.
Many tobaccos sold are flavoured in some way. Again, raw tobacco is not always the most pleasant thing to smoke, so it can need a little help. Flavourings can be applied with the casing, or after processing, in which case they are known as top-dressings. The difference is subtle, but important. Top dressings provide specific aromas in the tin, but tend to dissipate or flame off when the tobacco is smoked, or even just allowed to air out. The flavourings in the casing is deeper in the leaf, fully absorbed, and is therefore less ephemeral. As with so many things, the dose makes the poison. Just as a little salt can enhance a dish without making it salty, the right amount of flavouring can enhance the taste of the tobacco without overpowering it.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Mar 6, 2019 11:15:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 11:15:16 GMT -5
Straight blending Cavendish is almost always cased, but isnt topped. It does add a sweet zing to some blends and can be enjoyable on its own, although it is a light on the Vitamin N. A good straight Cavendish is the Peter Stokkebye 501. And its inexpensive too. A Cavendish will “ tame “ down a strong/harsh blend. Also burns cool and slow👌👍👍 |
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Post by Mac on Mar 6, 2019 11:40:25 GMT -5
Cavendish is a base for aromatic blends. I don't really smoke it for its own value (if there is any). Some do! At least it is sold in some drugstores. Not for my taste, though. Do love some in a blend from time to time. Quality must vary widely, as do the leaves from which a batch is made. |
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Post by rmb on Mar 6, 2019 11:45:10 GMT -5
Country Squire’s Cherokee is a Virginia and unflavored black cavendish blend and it is extremely nice, I would give it a shot!
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 7, 2019 3:05:11 GMT -5
Q: So, are your tobaccos cased? A: In some cases, yes. Bad choice of words there. In all cases it would be cased, otherwise it wouldn't be a case.  Regardless, great information there, Cramptholomew. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 4:21:04 GMT -5
Q: So, are your tobaccos cased? A: In some cases, yes. Bad choice of words there. In all cases it would be cased, otherwise it wouldn't be a case. Regardless, great information there, Cramptholomew . Paddy, here in the States proper English would be “ in some cases “, the way it was used in the above sentence. Example: “ I have heard this sentence a couple of times but have not understood its meaning properly. so what does it mean “? "in some cases, it is correct" what does "in some cases" mean in this sentence? One of the definitions of "case" is a "set of circumstances" or an "instance". So "in some cases it is correct" is saying that this is sometimes correct, but implying that it is not always correct. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 7, 2019 4:58:29 GMT -5
Bad choice of words there. In all cases it would be cased, otherwise it wouldn't be a case. Regardless, great information there, Cramptholomew . Paddy, here in the States proper English would be “ in some cases “, the way it was used in the above sentence. Example: “ I have heard this sentence a couple of times but have not understood its meaning properly. so what does it mean “? "in some cases, it is correct" what does "in some cases" mean in this sentence? One of the definitions of "case" is a "set of circumstances" or an "instance". So "in some cases it is correct" is saying that this is sometimes correct, but implying that it is not always correct. Thanks Ted. I was actually highlighting your point since the word case has different meanings. So if you're using the word 'case' to refer to a 'topping' (even though there's a difference, thanks to Jason, it's better to use a different word if you're referring to circumstances within the same context. So they should have written, 'in some circumstances / situations'... I was poking fun at our lovely language. |
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