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Post by ftap on Mar 11, 2019 13:17:30 GMT -5
Hello all, new here to the patch... I know this has been talked about but still can’t find the answers I’m directly looking for. So I am a new pipe maker, just on my 4th pipe for sale and some comments I received were only 2 issues, one, the finish which is sand bowl to 500 grit, then Tripoli, white diamond and light carnuba grows dull rather quickly. I am in my personal pipes not against this technique as I have the ability to repolish as necessary. However I have a customer that is saying one of his high end pipes has shellac on it and if I would be willing to give it a go on his next pipe as he wants the shine to last longer. So what are the pros and cons to shellac vs danish oil, and what exactly are the techniques for applying. I have done some testing on briar scraps and can’t seem to find a shellac finish that doesn’t pull the stain off every time using a French polish method or leave streaks of uneven layers using a brush. I tried a pipe cleaner but it left tiny pieces of fuzz in the finish. Also what about danish oil? Does it cause the pipe to smoke hotter being that it contains some polyurethane? And the shellac is non toxic and the danish oil says harmful if swallowed.
The second thing is that the bowl coat I used was activated food grade charcoal and water and powdered sugar. It got a little sticky for the first 2 bowls then was fine. I could not find an actual recipe for this just the ingredients. I think I put too much sugar so I am going to cut that in half and know it is just there as a binder however does anyone have a good recipe for these ingredients? I only put it on when it is requested but would love some assistance, thanks all!!
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 11, 2019 13:31:47 GMT -5
Welcome to the Patch from Northern California.
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Post by ftap on Mar 11, 2019 13:40:43 GMT -5
Thanks so much! Idaho here
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Post by mgtarheel on Mar 11, 2019 13:42:56 GMT -5
Welcome from "The Tarheel State"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 13:57:04 GMT -5
Welcome to the Patch, hope you enjoy your stay with ALL of us.
On my briars I make my own pipe mud with good quality cigar ash. Any pipes purchased I do sand the bowl as best as possible to remove ant stain within the chamber. Which can burn with a foul odor and an unpleasant taste to the palate. All it takes is a small piece of sandpaper and a wood dowel.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Mar 11, 2019 14:02:12 GMT -5
Welcome.
1. Did you cut the shellac down? There's a lot of info on pipemakersforum about it. One of my friends has done both shellac and Danish. He had the best luck doing multiple coats of Danish over multiple days. Also, the shellac isn't going to act as a lacquer. It should set the stain and somewhat help with the finish, but to my knowledge it isn't going to create a lacquer finish. I haven't used either.
2. I sand to 1200, before I Tripoli. I know there are varying opinions, but I don't get a good wax finish without going that high. I go to 2000 on the stems. Also, make sure you're wet sanding everything. I haven't had a finish problem by doing that. I also only Tripoli and white diamond my stems.
3. I don't do bowl coats, but the guys I'm friends with use the method you state. You'll just have to adjust it to your liking. Paint it on.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 11, 2019 14:05:20 GMT -5
I'm afraid I can't help. However, you might get more views on this if your thread was in another section of the forum. If you want I can move the question for you.
On another note, welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy yourself here. We have a great group of people, some pipe makers too.
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Post by ftap on Mar 11, 2019 14:07:59 GMT -5
That would be great thank you!
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Post by Cramptholomew on Mar 11, 2019 14:08:32 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 11, 2019 14:15:34 GMT -5
I moved it to the repair section as the question covers not just new creations but repair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 14:45:54 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum. there are several pipe makers on here.
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Post by Mac on Mar 11, 2019 15:50:05 GMT -5
Yes, I have read that shellac is cut severely, with many applications. Sorry have no specifics.
Does a coating affect how a briar smokes or breathes? My experience says no to the former, and while it seems a coating would impede breathing, I don't think it has an effect that's noticeable.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Mar 11, 2019 15:56:42 GMT -5
Welcome to the Patch, ftap from central north Florida. I would suggest that you check out the pipe makers forum, as "Cramp" suggested, to answer your questions.
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Post by ftap on Mar 11, 2019 17:14:31 GMT -5
Thanks I have been there to pmf, no specifics there that I could find so I am just giving multiple paths a try. Thanks to all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 18:35:56 GMT -5
Hello all, new here to the patch... I know this has been talked about but still can’t find the answers I’m directly looking for. So I am a new pipe maker, just on my 4th pipe for sale and some comments I received were only 2 issues, one, the finish which is sand bowl to 500 grit, then Tripoli, white diamond and light carnuba grows dull rather quickly. I am in my personal pipes not against this technique as I have the ability to repolish as necessary. However I have a customer that is saying one of his high end pipes has shellac on it and if I would be willing to give it a go on his next pipe as he wants the shine to last longer. So what are the pros and cons to shellac vs danish oil, and what exactly are the techniques for applying. I have done some testing on briar scraps and can’t seem to find a shellac finish that doesn’t pull the stain off every time using a French polish method or leave streaks of uneven layers using a brush. I tried a pipe cleaner but it left tiny pieces of fuzz in the finish. Also what about danish oil? Does it cause the pipe to smoke hotter being that it contains some polyurethane? And the shellac is non toxic and the danish oil says harmful if swallowed. The second thing is that the bowl coat I used was activated food grade charcoal and water and powdered sugar. It got a little sticky for the first 2 bowls then was fine. I could not find an actual recipe for this just the ingredients. I think I put too much sugar so I am going to cut that in half and know it is just there as a binder however does anyone have a good recipe for these ingredients? I only put it on when it is requested but would love some assistance, thanks all!! If you are not able to find info on those two finishes I suggest you find either a cabinet maker or a Wood Turner. There are two Facebook groups you can checkout. They both are very knowledgeable on the topic of finishes. They are Wood Turners and Woodchuckers. BTW, Danish Oil Will dry within a few hours but may a lot longer to fully cure. Bowl makers use it since it is food safe once it cures. Peace |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 11, 2019 18:44:30 GMT -5
Welcome to the patch!
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Post by qmechanics on Mar 11, 2019 22:20:03 GMT -5
Welcome to the Patch from Manhattan KS!! I would follow Cramptholomew and check out the pipe maker's forum. It would also be nice to see a few pictures of your creations. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 22:33:42 GMT -5
Welcome from the Mile High City! Glad to have you with us.  I have only one pipe, a Ser Jacopo, that I suspect has a shallac finish. It heats up much faster and gets much hotter than my other pipes. Personally, I think Danish oil is the only way to go. |
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