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Post by JimInks on Mar 19, 2019 21:29:18 GMT -5
At first, the names Robert McConnell used were too close to the original Dunhill names, so they've been changed. Here's the change of name list:
Heritage St. James Park = Apertif
Shakespeare = Ye Old Signe
Regent Street = Elizabethan Mixture
Ready Rubbed = Ready Rubbed
Picadilly Circus = London Mixture
Paddington = Royal Yacht
Oxford = Standard Mixture Medium
Oriental Square = Durbar
Notting Hill = Standard Mixture
Marleybone = My Mixture 965
Latakia Mixture 1848 = My Mixture BB1938
Highgate = Navy Rolls
Flake = Flake
Covent Garden = Nightcap
Boutique Blend = Early Morning Pipe
Black Flake = Dark Flake
Barking Road = My Mixture 221B Baker Street
5 Year Matured = 3 Year Matured VA
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 21:33:10 GMT -5
Dragnet “ the names have been changed to protect the innocent “ 👍
PS
Thanks Jim, I just copied and pasted the list.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 21:40:21 GMT -5
Thanks Jim. With a fried egg on top.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 22:16:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 22:23:04 GMT -5
Have I missed something? Is Rob McC bringing these to market under these names?
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Post by SCF Dan on Mar 19, 2019 22:24:07 GMT -5
Looks like Dunhill finally called its lawyer.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 19, 2019 22:32:28 GMT -5
Gonna go ahead and say it. Robby hired a better name-guy. Definitely gonna give em a try.
Thanks Jim.
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Post by JimInks on Mar 19, 2019 23:08:58 GMT -5
Have I missed something? Is Rob McC bringing these to market under these names? They are already out, but not in the USA. Here are the ones I reviewed under the names McConnell originally used until the name change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 23:43:42 GMT -5
So there are now two full line-ups of tinned Dunhill matches - McConnell and Charatan - neither of which are available in the U.S.?
And is either one "official" as in having bought the recipes, or are they both attempts to match based on blender expertise?
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Post by trailboss on Mar 19, 2019 23:44:48 GMT -5
Have I missed something? Is Rob McC bringing these to market under these names? They are already out, but not in the USA. Here are the ones I reviewed under the names McConnell originally used until the name change.
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Post by JimInks on Mar 20, 2019 0:12:24 GMT -5
So there are now two full line-ups of tinned Dunhill matches - McConnell and Charatan - neither of which are available in the U.S.? And is either one "official" as in having bought the recipes, or are they both attempts to match based on blender expertise? Charatan is the official cloner, McConnell is not. But neither one are making accurate copies. |
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Post by JimInks on Mar 20, 2019 0:12:58 GMT -5
They are already out, but not in the USA. Here are the ones I reviewed under the names McConnell originally used until the name change.
I wonder if they will ever be under the deeming rules They aren't coming to the USA, so it won't matter. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 20, 2019 1:14:02 GMT -5
Well that's a bummer.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 20, 2019 3:14:49 GMT -5
So there are now two full line-ups of tinned Dunhill matches - McConnell and Charatan - neither of which are available in the U.S.? And is either one "official" as in having bought the recipes, or are they both attempts to match based on blender expertise? Charatan is the official cloner, McConnell is not. But neither one are making accurate copies. Jim posted about Sutliff making matches too. I suppose there's no law in mixing some tobaccos to make it like another blend, as long as the name isn't ripped off, and hence we have the name changes. I wasn't aware of Robert McConnell making matches too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 4:28:45 GMT -5
Heck, not for me.....I definitely don’t need to try a new tobacco, fall in love with the blend and spend money on a few pounds!! I don’t have time left to age for a few years. |
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Post by pappyjoe on Mar 20, 2019 8:04:53 GMT -5
I wonder if they will ever be under the deeming rules They aren't coming to the USA, so it won't matter. First you dangle just enough hope to get some pipe smokers excited and then you just slam the hope out of existence with a 50 lb. sledge hammer. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Mar 20, 2019 8:33:32 GMT -5
The fact that Dunhill called its lawyer makes me think that they're working with someone else to reproduce their tobaccos in the future. If that is the case, this may be encouraging, actually.
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Post by JimInks on Mar 20, 2019 9:53:56 GMT -5
The fact that Dunhill called its lawyer makes me think that they're working with someone else to reproduce their tobaccos in the future. If that is the case, this may be encouraging, actually. The Charatan line is the one who got permission from Dunhill, though they can't use the Dunhill name. |
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Post by monbla256 on Mar 20, 2019 11:56:28 GMT -5
The fact that Dunhill called its lawyer makes me think that they're working with someone else to reproduce their tobaccos in the future. If that is the case, this may be encouraging, actually. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Mar 20, 2019 12:46:34 GMT -5
So there are now two full line-ups of tinned Dunhill matches - McConnell and Charatan - neither of which are available in the U.S.? And is either one "official" as in having bought the recipes, or are they both attempts to match based on blender expertise? Charatan is the official cloner, McConnell is not. But neither one are making accurate copies. This is unfortunate to hear. We'll have to enjoy what we have and try to make it last. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Mar 20, 2019 13:23:54 GMT -5
I was really hoping that STG was going to have a release of some matches in the future. however, from the looks of this thread, and Jim would know best, its over.
Time to learn to love and enjoy other brands, friends.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 20, 2019 13:27:01 GMT -5
They aren't coming to the USA, so it won't matter. First you dangle just enough hope to get some pipe smokers excited and then you just slam the hope out of existence with a 50 lb. sledge hammer.  |
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 20, 2019 14:20:25 GMT -5
Looks like Dunhill finally called its lawyer. Funny. They don't want to produce the stuff but they're more than willing to stop other blenders from making it easy on the pipe community. |
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 20, 2019 14:22:21 GMT -5
In any case, from the few reviews I've seen they've not done a very good job of 'cloning'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 14:37:14 GMT -5
Charatan is the official cloner, McConnell is not. But neither one are making accurate copies. Jim posted about Sutliff making matches too. I suppose there's no law in mixing some tobaccos to make it like another blend, as long as the name isn't ripped off, and hence we have the name changes. I wasn't aware of Robert McConnell making matches too. I believe the Sutliff matches were for the Dunhill blends as made by Murray, and they were in continuous production throughout the Orlik era. Another question, though: K&K make the the McConnell blends, but who makes Charatan? Or are they one of the of the few companies that actually make their own branded blends? |
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Post by JimInks on Mar 20, 2019 16:16:24 GMT -5
Jim posted about Sutliff making matches too. I suppose there's no law in mixing some tobaccos to make it like another blend, as long as the name isn't ripped off, and hence we have the name changes. I wasn't aware of Robert McConnell making matches too. I believe the Sutliff matches were for the Dunhill blends as made by Murray, and they were in continuous production throughout the Orlik era. Another question, though: K&K make the the McConnell blends, but who makes Charatan? Or are they one of the of the few companies that actually make their own branded blends? You are correct regarding the Sutliff matches being copies of the Murray's versions. I can't answer your Charatan question. |
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Post by daveinlax on Mar 20, 2019 16:44:33 GMT -5
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 21, 2019 11:59:04 GMT -5
In honesty, I never tasted the Murray's version of the Dunhill blends. Only the most recent. But I certainly thought many of those were quite excellent blends.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 20:18:23 GMT -5
I believe the Charatan it is STG/Orlik. I just saw a post on another forum saying they cannot be sold outside the UK, suggesting a UK manufacturer. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Mar 22, 2019 0:02:02 GMT -5
The fact that Dunhill called its lawyer makes me think that they're working with someone else to reproduce their tobaccos in the future. If that is the case, this may be encouraging, actually. The stores are still labeled "Dunhill." They use the classic "Skyline" logo and variations on the AD monogram and "Alfred Dunhill" in the stores, all side by side.
I have a modern "The White Spot" pipe. The pipe is stamped "Alfred Dunhill's The White Spot," but the pipe bag has the classic Dunhill "skyline" logo. The papers inside mix "Dunhill" and "The White Spot" interchangeably. If they are trying to dis-associate the "Dunhill" brand from "The White Spot," they've been doing a really bad job of it. The stores still sell pipes, lighters, and cigar accessories. Just not tobacco. The reason the stores no longer sell tobacco is that the tobacco business parted ways from the non-tobacco business in 1993. It has been 25 years since Dunhill the company had anything to do with Dunhill tobaccos. BAT is just the most recent acquirer in a series of owners of the tobacco brands. Dunhill gave up on selling tobacco in their U.S. stores in the early 2000s, and it makes sense -- they don't own any tobacco brands, and without humidors or lounges they can dedicate more square footage to the products they make real money on. What's the point of selling "Dunhill" cigars in your store if someone else takes the profits? Dunhill the company doesn't seem interested in backing away from their "heritage" products, even if they now wish to sell Dunhill-branded sneakers alongside luggage and cufflinks and pipes.
Edit: it is also worth noting that Dunhill's original business, before tobacco, was luxury goods. The tobacconist was opened decades later than the original leather goods and "motorities" shop.
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