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Post by stone on Apr 7, 2019 8:51:49 GMT -5
I recently went through all of my tobacco and made sure that everything was either in a canning jar or a well sealed tin and I have a couple questions.
I put all of my tobacco into one of three categories, perfect for smoking right now, a little too moist to smoke without drying first. And stuff that had gotten a little too dry which IR rehydrated with a cigar Oasis.
First question, should tobacco be a little on the moist side before it is cellared or is it okay to Cellar it at perfect smoking moisture?
Second question, I have an 8 oz bag of Stonehaven that is 10 or 12 years old and has never been opened. I assume it's best to just leave it unopened?
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Post by pepesdad1 on Apr 7, 2019 15:53:02 GMT -5
First question, should tobacco be a little on the moist side before it is cellared or is it okay to Cellar it at perfect smoking moisture?
My opinion, and that is what it is, is that if it is perfect for smoking it is perfect for cellaring.
Second question, I have an 8 oz bag of Stonehaven that is 10 or 12 years old and has never been opened. I assume it's best to just leave it unopened?
My opinion, and that is what it is,I would go ahead and jar it up in a glass container, jar, whatever you are using for your cellaring...no telling if that bag will last and you already have 10 years age on it.
All this is my opinion...I'm sure someone else will chime in and give you more advice.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Apr 7, 2019 16:00:46 GMT -5
I recently bought an 8oz. of Eso. Margate. Went right into jars as soon as it was opened.
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 7, 2019 19:04:54 GMT -5
Check the tightness on your lids periodically. As the anaerobic action takes place, the lids loosen over time.
Esoterica bags were not designed for long term storage per the manufacturer. All of mine goes into jars as soon as I have them home.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Apr 8, 2019 0:21:15 GMT -5
1. It's fine to cellar tobacco either moist or at the perfect smoking moisture.
2. You should either jar the bag, or heat seal the bag inside a heavy food storage grade metalized Mylar bag. Esoterica bags have been known to develop pinholes at the creases which will allow the contents to dry out.
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Post by stone on Apr 8, 2019 7:27:46 GMT -5
Is this bad?
I went ahead and opened the 12 year old bag of Stonehaven. It looks great,it has some nice plume on it, but it has a different smell than the bag I bought at the same time which has been in a ziplok bag for 12 years. They are both in jars now.
The unopened one has a fermenting or alcohol smell?
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 8, 2019 11:13:24 GMT -5
You can move tobacco to jars at any time. And they can be wet or dry. The Esoterica bags are heavy duty, though you should still transfer the tobacco. For the stuff that's been in regular ziplock for 12 years, just make sure you don't have any mold as though ziplock are airtight, they are only airtight for limited periods. And they are not 100% airtight. So not to be relied on except for short periods. If a tobacco has dried out you can easily rehumidify.
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Post by stone on Apr 8, 2019 11:57:26 GMT -5
You can move tobacco to jars at any time. And they can be wet or dry. The Esoterica bags are heavy duty, though you should still transfer the tobacco. For the stuff that's been in regular ziplock for 12 years, just make sure you don't have any mold as though ziplock are airtight, they are only airtight for limited periods. And they are not 100% airtight. So not to be relied on except for short periods. If a tobacco has dried out you can easily rehumidify. I bought both bags in 2006 and I kept the opened bag in it's original bag inside a ziplok and I think the ambient humidity in this area kept it pretty nice. It has nice plume on it and so does the one I opened last night  but it has a boozy smell, like fermentation. |
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Post by stone on Apr 8, 2019 12:12:02 GMT -5
Fascinating! I laid the Stonehaven out on freezer paper to let it air out a bit and the smell has changed quite rapidly. It now smells like chocolate and over ripe fruit. It smells good enough to eat!
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 8, 2019 16:31:31 GMT -5
Fascinating! I laid the Stonehaven out on freezer paper to let it air out a bit and the smell has changed quite rapidly. It now smells like chocolate and over ripe fruit. It smells good enough to eat! eat some and tell us what you think. |
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Post by Spartacus on Apr 8, 2019 16:56:52 GMT -5
1. It's fine to cellar tobacco either moist or at the perfect smoking moisture. 2. You should either jar the bag, or heat seal the bag inside a heavy food storage grade metalized Mylar bag. Esoterica bags have been known to develop pinholes at the creases which will allow the contents to dry out. I do like Sablebrush suggested. With all my Esoterica bags, Samuel Gawith cardboard boxes, Mac Baren HH cardboard boxes, and Rattrays bags I seal them inside a mylar bag. All my tobacco in tins stay in the tins. All my open tobacco goes straight to Ball Jars. |
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Post by briarbuck on Apr 8, 2019 18:57:45 GMT -5
I'd be careful with that Stonehaven. It has a tendency to become radioactive overtime. I have proper ways of disposing it if you want.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Apr 9, 2019 1:03:54 GMT -5
Baggies are not airtight. The plastic is permeable and over time, the contents dry out. You must have some significant humidity where you live if that hasn't happened. I live in a fairly dry climate and anything not jarred, or stored in metalized mylar dries out.
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Post by stone on Apr 9, 2019 6:48:03 GMT -5
Baggies are not airtight. The plastic is permeable and over time, the contents dry out. You must have some significant humidity where you live if that hasn't happened. I live in a fairly dry climate and anything not jarred, or stored in metalized mylar dries out. Little known fact: North East Ohio has more cloud cover than anywhere in the USA. There is an arsenal in Ravenna which was built in 1940, the site was chosen because this area has more cloud than anywhere else in the US and spy planes could not spot the arsenal.
I don't know if the lack if sunshine is the reason Cleveland sports teams suck or if God just doesn't want to look down on the biggest professional sports void in the world
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Post by peteguy on Apr 9, 2019 16:42:04 GMT -5
Baggies are not airtight. The plastic is permeable and over time, the contents dry out. You must have some significant humidity where you live if that hasn't happened. I live in a fairly dry climate and anything not jarred, or stored in metalized mylar dries out. At least we don't need to worry about mold in our climates. |
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but it has a boozy smell, like fermentation.
