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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 14, 2019 18:26:47 GMT -5
So if you despise windows 10, with it's privacy policy that says in plain English: everything you have or do on this machine belongs to microsoft; all your private files in private folders, all your private communications etc, is ours and we can do with it whatever we want (imagine if a home builder said that about your new house), there may be excellent news on the horizon: Linux is looking like it's poised to give microsoft a major run for your gaming OS.
You can already play Steam games using Valve's Proton, and because more games are being added every day, NVIDIA's been working on Linux drivers almost as much as windows.
Google's game streaming service Stadia relies on Linux using Vulkan, so windows versions with Proton support will be coming.
We're getting distros that are easier to set up for gaming than the popularity king, Ubuntu, and of course you can run them all off a USB drive until you get the environment you like.
Two distros to watch are Pop!_OS (based on Ubuntu but with later software you need), and Manjaro (based on Arch but with later software than Ubuntu), which has Steam pre-installed and both of course have much less overhead than windows so they're faster.
Bottom line is, I think we may be getting some legitimate alternatives to windows 10 in the next few months or so. I hope.
PS Hey System76, don't name your product with a ! and a _ ; PopOS would have been fine.
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Post by Matthew on Apr 14, 2019 21:26:04 GMT -5
There is also another non linux,non windows os called ReactOS.
It is being written to run windows programs but not use the windows
code.I'm not a programmer so I'm not very good at descriptions.
I'm using Linux Mint 19,and for what I work on it has been
a smooth transition,but I'm not a gamer so take that with a
grain of salt.
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 15, 2019 0:04:07 GMT -5
I have not heard of ReactOS; I'll check that out, thank you. For Linux distros, I was talking specifically to gamers, most all would be good for productivity because of their light footprint and the fact you can get just about all the software you need for free. There are definitely environments specifically for gamers though, and it looks as though we're about to get a lot more of the big name games.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 7:09:35 GMT -5
My friend Alan loves Linux and spent days trying to make some games work in it. Some will some wont. WINE was the app most people used to run games in Linux but it over ten years old at this point and does not work on newer games very well. I run windows 10 and it just works. Lets be clear here the free release Linux is obsolete and the Linux that runs server farms is no where even close to Ubunto or mint or whatever freeware system people grab. The Steam game box is a failure and can be had for 15 bucks shipped and it still wont play most AAA games. And even when you get a game to run chances are you are not getting the full graphic experience cause it was coded in Direct X by micronuts. The game companies could care less about coding to Linux on PC because the market share is 3%. Hell even the Woz says free Linux is dead. That and it all goes to the same farm where the gov mint eyeballs your activities. But if you love frustration I wont stand in your way but I will suggest dual boot so you can keep your sanity intact.
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 15, 2019 9:29:31 GMT -5
@psycho: All good points there, what I'm saying though is things might be about to change. Yeah, Wine is long in the tooth and not good for the AAA latest games, but I think we might be about to see a positive shift for Linux gamers. Sure, getting the latest stuff to run has always been frustrating, but NVIDIA's never put in the work it's doing for Linux drivers before, and with big players like Steam coming on board, I'm hopeful for the future. Woz might need to change his mind with the new news.
I agree with everything you said, my post was to say things might be changing. And yes, whatever distro I end up liking will be in a dual-boot, I don't think Linux is currently a viable substitute for a windows gamer, what I'm saying is there is change on the horizon that gives me hope 
PS My introduction to Linux was installing Gentoo 100% from a console with dreadful support files - that was frustrating!
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Post by Cramptholomew on Apr 15, 2019 10:24:44 GMT -5
I cut my teeth on redhat 2.something. then I tried everything else. Ended up on Slackware for a while. Spent days custom compiling kernels for my hardware. Tried Gentoo once - never again. Nowadays, it's Debian, CentOS, or Ubuntu on servers. I have a Xubuntu desktop I use mostly for recovering data from hard drives. I haven't actually played with any distro as a daily driver desktop system in years. My main computers are Mac's, with Windows VMs running in VirtualBox. From there I can control and test everything without issue. Whatever tool works best for me, for the job.
All that said, I'm glad they're working on Linux gaming. A lot of stuff runs on some variant of, or customized Linux distro - I think almost all mobile platforms. It would make sense to make those platforms compatible with standard Linux systems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 15:20:19 GMT -5
Okay here is this years Nvidia driver www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/142958/en-us take a close look NVIDIA Video Codec SDK 9.0. A little further reading will tell you what it can and can not do. Of note the SDX is in a beta form . The Direct X 11 is the most common as it takes a lot more work to code Direct X 12 but the results are stunning with a proper dedicated GPU. A few years back Vulkan or SDK better known as AMD was all the rage but in the end Direct X won. Why because micronuts has the Xbox and with the PC share they can afford more development. Vulkan does a real good job of making the dedicated GPU do the work instead of the CPU. But that really does not matter anymore everyone is moving to six cores or more on the CPU. The big thing with windeers 10 is it finally using multicore threads. I have a Ryzen 8 core 16 thread and it just does not care how much you throw at it. The same goes for the new Intel chips less power draw and more balance of load. I ditched my X99 set up with a power hungry Xeon and a huge power supply. Nothing wrong with a AMD GPU except they are still power hungry while the Nvidia cards use less power and do a far better job overall. Jason is right on the money Android rules the phone market along with Samsung and AMD cpu's. Intel and micronuts don't like that one bit people buy a new phone all the time while the average PC or laptop is more than likely over five years old. Me I like me a good ol PC to game on but the younger kids they want consoles and phone games. See Monster Hunter. I don't know nothing about nothing so I cant predict what the computing future bring. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 16, 2019 0:11:11 GMT -5
Well, I tried installing Manjaro in a dual boot with a live usb thumb drive and had a grub issue, so had to burn the iso in dd mode and could boot to the usb drive, but it didn't recognize my keyboard or mouse. Stuck it in a VM and was underwhelmed, so am downloading 3.58 GB of Sparky Linux Gameover Edition on my crappy 3 down connection. Sould be another two hours before it's down. Fun for tomorrow, we'll see...
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 16, 2019 17:16:17 GMT -5
Well, that was a complete disaster. Got Sparky Linux installed as a dual-boot with windows 7, and Sparky worked fine, but it broke w7, with a boot grub failure. The BIOS were showing ye olde Engineering Release not for production use error, and I was only able to get into w7 with a boot option CD I fortunately burned called Plop Boot Manager.
Tried the usually worthless W7 repair from my W7 cd, which was as usual worthless. I removed Sparky completely and extended my boot drive onto it's old partition, but still had grub in my MBR. Was able to flash the BIOS with the latest from AMD, but grub still prevented a w7 boot.
Now I can only get into W7 with the Plop Boot Mgr, and can no longer get into the W7 repair tool (wrong OS, not supported), to fix my MBR with bootrec.
May make a recovery cd later (or use my USB drive) and see if I can use bootrec to /FixMbr and maybe /FixBoot and even /RebuildBcd, but that's risky, and I can at least get the damn thing up now with Plop.
Yeah, a complete disaster so far. A normal user would be scu- roowed. I'll play with it later, but have some Messerschmitts and Stormtroopers to blast for now
Thanks, Sparky.
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 16, 2019 17:21:01 GMT -5
So if you despise windows 10, with it's privacy policy that says in plain English: everything you have or do on this machine belongs to microsoft; all your private files in private folders, all your private communications etc, is ours and we can do with it whatever we want (imagine if a home builder said that about your new house), there may be excellent news on the horizon: Linux is looking like it's poised to give microsoft a major run for your gaming OS.
You can already play Steam games using Valve's Proton, and because more games are being added every day, NVIDIA's been working on Linux drivers almost as much as windows.
Google's game streaming service Stadia relies on Linux using Vulkan, so windows versions with Proton support will be coming.
We're getting distros that are easier to set up for gaming than the popularity king, Ubuntu, and of course you can run them all off a USB drive until you get the environment you like.
Two distros to watch are Pop!_OS (based on Ubuntu but with later software you need), and Manjaro (based on Arch but with later software than Ubuntu), which has Steam pre-installed and both of course have much less overhead than windows so they're faster.
Bottom line is, I think we may be getting some legitimate alternatives to windows 10 in the next few months or so. I hope.
PS Hey System76, don't name your product with a ! and a _ ; PopOS would have been fine.
Is that true? I never knew that. Many businesses use Windows and store confidential and proprietary data in folders. Those couldn't possibly belong to MS. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 16, 2019 18:06:33 GMT -5
It's true, I read it. It's not even in legalese that makes you put it together from several different pages. It specifically says private files in private folders and private communications.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 18:11:46 GMT -5
David I am trying to get ahold of Alan to get you the right distros.
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 16, 2019 18:16:20 GMT -5
It's true, I read it. It's not even in legalese that makes you put it together from several different pages. It specifically says private files in private folders and private communications. What can I say but ....  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 18:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 16, 2019 18:59:03 GMT -5
Thanks! Right in what sense? For gaming? I used both the latest distros of Manjaro (GNOME) and Sparky Gameover Edition. I did however, have some issues creating both Live USB drives, with non compatible versions of er, Grub? and something else, but Rufus 3.5 said it had downloaded the updates and fixed it. Hmm.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 19:23:25 GMT -5
So if you despise windows 10, with it's privacy policy that says in plain English: everything you have or do on this machine belongs to microsoft; all your private files in private folders, all your private communications etc, is ours and we can do with it whatever we want (imagine if a home builder said that about your new house), there may be excellent news on the horizon: Linux is looking like it's poised to give microsoft a major run for your gaming OS.
You can already play Steam games using Valve's Proton, and because more games are being added every day, NVIDIA's been working on Linux drivers almost as much as windows.
Google's game streaming service Stadia relies on Linux using Vulkan, so windows versions with Proton support will be coming.
We're getting distros that are easier to set up for gaming than the popularity king, Ubuntu, and of course you can run them all off a USB drive until you get the environment you like.
Two distros to watch are Pop!_OS (based on Ubuntu but with later software you need), and Manjaro (based on Arch but with later software than Ubuntu), which has Steam pre-installed and both of course have much less overhead than windows so they're faster.
Bottom line is, I think we may be getting some legitimate alternatives to windows 10 in the next few months or so. I hope.
PS Hey System76, don't name your product with a ! and a _ ; PopOS would have been fine.
I stopped using Windows in '97. What a horrid product with more security holes then swiss cheese.
nVidia has had a love/hate relationship with linux for so long it has turned some users completely against. I know from experience trying to run their closed sourced video drivers can be a challenge, especially with multiple monitors. Ubuntu is the every man's linux distro. Arch is for those that what to learn the in's and out's. I did find Fedora does a very nice job of having bleeding edge packages and easy installation of nVidia drivers. Funny how now that I rarely play games it would finally make a splash. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 23:16:40 GMT -5
I really like Sisu it is a variant of Suse server.
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Post by simnettpratt on Apr 17, 2019 0:04:56 GMT -5
Why? What is it good at?
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