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Post by stone on Apr 18, 2019 18:12:53 GMT -5
I received two bulk tobaccos last week which were very dry and today I received a tin of 4th Generation Family Reserve which was extremely dry.
Has anyone else had this issue lately?
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 18, 2019 18:15:49 GMT -5
Did they weigh out right? If so, then you got more tobacco than you would have if it was moist. Rehydrate it to your liking.
I have only had samples of 4th gen tobacco so I can not comment on the moisture level of a fresh tin.
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Post by stone on Apr 18, 2019 18:49:23 GMT -5
Did they weigh out right? If so, then you got more tobacco than you would have if it was moist. Rehydrate it to your liking. I have only had samples of 4th gen tobacco so I can not comment on the moisture level of a fresh tin. It was a tin with a sealed bag inside.
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Post by stone on Apr 18, 2019 18:49:58 GMT -5
My next question is whether or not I should check all of the other tens I have ordered from them in the last couple weeks?
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Post by McWiggins on Apr 18, 2019 19:12:59 GMT -5
The 4'th Gen tobacco, like others that come in that style of tin where the tin is not sealed and the tobacco in a bag all tend to be dryer. Those bags are never that great at making a seal. This is the case no matter where you buy those kinds of tins from.
Your other tins, as long as they are the standard tins that are vacuum sealed, they should be fine. You can easily check to make sure that the vacuum is still intact.
The bulk tobacco is hard to say. P&C, like other sellers, try and open the bag, grab whats needed and close it back up. This still can lead to some drying. Also, many blends come pretty dry right from the start. Without knowing what was purchased in bulk, one cannot say if its an issue. Then you have what is dry to you, may not be dry to another.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 20:22:35 GMT -5
SP was selling Missouri Meerschaum tobacco in unsealed pouches. Tinder dry. They wrote me, saying they would refund/replace after reading my review, but 3 days later, I have not heard back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 21:12:04 GMT -5
SP was selling Missouri Meerschaum tobacco in unsealed pouches. Tinder dry. They wrote me, saying they would refund/replace after reading my review, but 3 days later, I have not heard back. Mike, Follow through will SP customer service, they will surely rectify your issues. Call them in the morning.
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Post by stone on Apr 18, 2019 21:17:28 GMT -5
I know I asked this question in another thread but I can't help but feeling that something is lost when tobacco gets completely dried out and you have to rehydrate it?
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Post by McWiggins on Apr 18, 2019 21:25:43 GMT -5
I know I asked this question in another thread but I can't help but feeling that something is lost when tobacco gets completely dried out and you have to rehydrate it? Not always the case. More so than not, it has to hang around for a while in a dry state to be passed saving. As I said before, without knowing the specific blend, its hard to say if it should or shouldnt be dry. Also, truly dry tobacco will break or near break when you bend a strand. Plenty of blends out their that are quite "dry" but dont break.
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Post by flyinmanatee on Apr 18, 2019 21:39:55 GMT -5
Did they weigh out right? If so, then you got more tobacco than you would have if it was moist. Rehydrate it to your liking. I have only had samples of 4th gen tobacco so I can not comment on the moisture level of a fresh tin. It was a tin with a sealed bag inside. One of the reviews on TR said neither the bag nor tin is sealed properly. Easy to assume it's a P&C issue though lol. I'm sure they would make ammends, they have had plenty of practice.
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Post by stone on Apr 19, 2019 6:18:57 GMT -5
Did they weigh out right? If so, then you got more tobacco than you would have if it was moist. Rehydrate it to your liking. I have only had samples of 4th gen tobacco so I can not comment on the moisture level of a fresh tin. I guess I assumed that the 2 oz bags were packed up long ago awaiting sale and since dried out but that may not be true? How do you guys rehydrate? I have been putting any dry tobacco in a ziplok bag along with a dish of distilled water which has a prescribed amount of Colloidal Silver.
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Post by stone on Apr 19, 2019 6:22:48 GMT -5
I know I asked this question in another thread but I can't help but feeling that something is lost when tobacco gets completely dried out and you have to rehydrate it? Not always the case. More so than not, it has to hang around for a while in a dry state to be passed saving. As I said before, without knowing the specific blend, its hard to say if it should or shouldnt be dry. Also, truly dry tobacco will break or near break when you bend a strand. Plenty of blends out their that are quite "dry" but dont break. The bulks were C&D Pegasus and Lane Limited Bright Virginia. The tin yesterday was 4th Generation Family Reserve in a 3.5 oz tin.
I have been using the Frank method of packing and these tobaccos could not be packed, there is nothing you could do to make it condense.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 19, 2019 6:30:58 GMT -5
The last time I ordered Pegasus, it was dry when it came. I'm not sure about the other.
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Post by kbareit on Apr 19, 2019 6:43:33 GMT -5
Most of the C&D bulks that I get are a little on the dry side no matter who I get them from. If you ever get any D&R blends they come dry on purpose. Just a heads up.
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Post by McWiggins on Apr 19, 2019 8:06:22 GMT -5
The 4th Gen tobacco, as I said, that style of packaging almost always comes dry. Pegasus and Bright Virginia are both dryer blends as they are and come from the blender. How dry is too dry? Its hard to talk about online but I did post previously a rough example. Still, what one thinks of as "dry" is not too dry to another. Many even dry out their tobacco below how it comes from the blender and cellar it. Basicly though, if your tobacco is not brittle and bounces back to shape roughly, its fine. As for packing and the Frank Method, it works fine for sure but not on all blends. You have to find what style of packing works best for different blends. Bottom line, your tobacco mentioned here sounds just fine and will remain fine provided you store it away properly.
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Post by stone on Apr 19, 2019 8:28:45 GMT -5
The 4th Gen tobacco, as I said, that style of packaging almost always comes dry. Pegasus and Bright Virginia are both dryer blends as they are and come from the blender. How dry is too dry? Its hard to talk about online but I did post previously a rough example. Still, what one thinks of as "dry" is not too dry to another. Many even dry out their tobacco below how it comes from the blender and cellar it. Basicly though, if your tobacco is not brittle and bounces back to shape roughly, its fine. As for packing and the Frank Method, it works fine for sure but not on all blends. You have to find what style of packing works best for different blends. Bottom line, your tobacco mentioned here sounds just fine and will remain fine provided you store it away properly. Very helpful! Thank you!
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Post by blackmouth210 on Apr 19, 2019 18:38:40 GMT -5
Not always the case. More so than not, it has to hang around for a while in a dry state to be passed saving. As I said before, without knowing the specific blend, its hard to say if it should or shouldnt be dry. Also, truly dry tobacco will break or near break when you bend a strand. Plenty of blends out their that are quite "dry" but dont break. The bulks were C&D Pegasus and Lane Limited Bright Virginia. The tin yesterday was 4th Generation Family Reserve in a 3.5 oz tin.
I have been using the Frank method of packing and these tobaccos could not be packed, there is nothing you could do to make it condense.
Can you explain the problem you had packing the tobacco? You posted "there is nothing you could do to make it condense" about tobacco that is too dry. That seems unusual. Dry tobacco is usually easier to pack (condense). Moisture in the pipe tobacco is what gives it the tendency to expand in the bowl (harder to condense).
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Post by trailboss on Apr 19, 2019 21:07:28 GMT -5
The 4'th Gen tobacco, like others that come in that style of tin where the tin is not sealed and the tobacco in a bag all tend to be dryer. Those bags are never that great at making a seal. This is the case no matter where you buy those kinds of tins from. Your other tins, as long as they are the standard tins that are vacuum sealed, they should be fine. You can easily check to make sure that the vacuum is still intact. The bulk tobacco is hard to say. P&C, like other sellers, try and open the bag, grab whats needed and close it back up. This still can lead to some drying. Also, many blends come pretty dry right from the start. Without knowing what was purchased in bulk, one cannot say if its an issue. Then you have what is dry to you, may not be dry to another. Spot on.
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Post by stone on Apr 21, 2019 11:51:25 GMT -5
The bulks were C&D Pegasus and Lane Limited Bright Virginia. The tin yesterday was 4th Generation Family Reserve in a 3.5 oz tin.
I have been using the Frank method of packing and these tobaccos could not be packed, there is nothing you could do to make it condense.
Can you explain the problem you had packing the tobacco? You posted "there is nothing you could do to make it condense" about tobacco that is too dry. That seems unusual. Dry tobacco is usually easier to pack (condense). Moisture in the pipe tobacco is what gives it the tendency to expand in the bowl (harder to condense). Mayne "condense" wasn't the right word. Maybe compact? Imagine trying to pack rice before it's cooked. This tobacco could not be made to hold any shape for any amount of time. No matter how I compressed it, it simply sprung back immediately.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Apr 21, 2019 21:50:12 GMT -5
Hey stone, if there is any "spring" in the tobacco, you are good to go. Dry as it may feel, the only tobacco that's "too dry" to smoke well, crumbles and turns to dust when you pinch, rub, or pack it. Cheers!
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Post by Stearmandriver on Apr 21, 2019 21:58:46 GMT -5
I know I asked this question in another thread but I can't help but feeling that something is lost when tobacco gets completely dried out and you have to rehydrate it? A little while back, I found an old box of tobacco tins. I'm talking 20 years old. Almost all was junk, but I had an 8oz tin of McClelland's Dark Star in there. I remember thinking it was ok back then (this tin had been popped 20 years ago). It was tinder dry, I mean snap with a powdery dust cloud if you bent it dry. I rehydrated by sealing it in tupperware with a bowl of distilled water. It's freaking delicious. Has it lost "something"? Sure, probably. I've never had 20 year old Dark Star that was properly stored so I'll never know, but what it might have lost, there's still plenty of "it" remaining to make a fantastic smoke. So... don't necessarily give up on the dry stuff. It was a good lesson for me, for sure. I *almost* just tossed it with the rest.
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Post by stone on Apr 22, 2019 5:20:20 GMT -5
I have it hydrated and jarred and I'm sure it will be fine. I was just curious if this was a common practice for P&C. If so, I will buy my tobacco elsewhere. I don't believe you should have to "fix" something when you buy it.
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Post by qmechanics on Apr 22, 2019 6:56:33 GMT -5
I have it hydrated and jarred and I'm sure it will be fine. I was just curious if this was a common practice for P&C. If so, I will buy my tobacco elsewhere. I don't believe you should have to "fix" something when you buy it. I have not encountered a dry bulk from P&C before, except for D&R Rimboche. As noted above, this is typical no matter where one buys it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 6:59:04 GMT -5
qmechanics......good morning, have a great week. Good to see you on here👌👍👍
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Post by Mac on Apr 22, 2019 15:45:28 GMT -5
I have it hydrated and jarred and I'm sure it will be fine. I was just curious if this was a common practice for P&C. If so, I will buy my tobacco elsewhere. I don't believe you should have to "fix" something when you buy it. Without knowing how dry it was or is, there may or may not be a problem to fix. Almost all tobaccos are packed and shipped with a moisture content higher than is optimum for a great smoke, and while many draw from a newly opened tin, some wait and dry time usually gives a better smoke for most folk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 17:56:27 GMT -5
SP was selling Missouri Meerschaum tobacco in unsealed pouches. Tinder dry. They wrote me, saying they would refund/replace after reading my review, but 3 days later, I have not heard back. Update: SP Customer Rep was out of town a week. Upon his return, he promptly credited my account.
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