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Post by puffy on Apr 18, 2019 22:16:09 GMT -5
A recent study says that too many folks here in N.Carolina smoke.So those who think they know what's good for us say that to help deter that problem the tobacco tax should be raised..So far it's just talk..Maybe that's all it will amount to..Who Knows
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 18, 2019 22:18:01 GMT -5
...just another justification to put their hand in your pocket...
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Post by Cramptholomew on Apr 18, 2019 22:22:16 GMT -5
Go for the low hanging fruit, every time. Sin taxes are extremely good revenue, and always the easiest way to recoup a short fall.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 18, 2019 22:27:21 GMT -5
That is really sad, because compared to 10 years ago....which was much smaller than say the 1960's the percentage of the population that smokes is miniscule by comparison.
What is really sad is that it grates against individual liberties as the founders (tobacco consumers as they were), against majority rules...glad we live in a representative republic as opposed to pure democracy where mob rules or we would be toast.
No...not a political post, but the fact of the matter, we still have a voice.
Contact your legislators Larry, one written letter is equal to 100 voicemails, or 50 emails.
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Post by Scott W on Apr 18, 2019 22:43:23 GMT -5
Go for the low hanging fruit, every time. Sin taxes are extremely good revenue, and always the easiest way to recoup a short fall. Spoken perfectly đź‘Ť |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Apr 19, 2019 0:54:31 GMT -5
If they literally doubled the cost of pipe tobacco, I might notice, but I wouldn't particularly care.
Having a tin go from $20 to $40 would mean I paid $2 to spend an hour and a half lingering over a bowl of flake, instead of $1.
It's gonna be OK, folks.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 19, 2019 1:02:52 GMT -5
If they literally doubled the cost of pipe tobacco, I might notice, but I wouldn't particularly care. Having a tin go from $20 to $40 would mean I paid $2 to spend an hour and a half lingering over a bowl of flake, instead of $1. It's gonna be OK, folks. Yeah, but people on a fixed income, $20 might not be chump change to them.”, and may make the difference between having and have not. Doubling medication prices as acceptable? And the taxes paid provide a revenue stream to further demonize tobacco. Sounds like a shitty deal to me. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Apr 19, 2019 1:13:45 GMT -5
If they literally doubled the cost of pipe tobacco, I might notice, but I wouldn't particularly care. Having a tin go from $20 to $40 would mean I paid $2 to spend an hour and a half lingering over a bowl of flake, instead of $1. It's gonna be OK, folks. Yeah, but people on a fixed income, $20 might not be chump change to them.”, and may make the difference between having and have not. Doubling medication prices as acceptable? And the taxes paid provide a revenue stream to further demonize tobacco. Sounds like a shitty deal to me. Tobacco is a luxury product. That's the nature of the beast. Retired folks on fixed incomes consume fewer luxuries than working people.
Additionally, it's a public health threat, so there is an obvious reason to levy Pigouvian taxes, which are, by their nature, regressive.
There's no way around that one.
Not to mention, in absolute terms, pipe tobacco is, and will remain, cheap. Rich man or poor, $1 for an hour and a half of smoking pleasure is a pretty good deal.
Even in Australia, where taxes are pretty darned high, you're looking at sixty bucks for a tin of tobacco. Oh no -- three dollars for my hour and a half of contemplation.
Three dollars a bowl is indisputably more than one dollar, but it's not a huge amount for anyone.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 19, 2019 1:24:25 GMT -5
Unless you are the guy that doesn’t have it.
The gubmint certainly doesn’t need to chisel more money from pipe smokers.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Apr 19, 2019 1:40:34 GMT -5
Unless you are the guy that doesn’t have it. The gubmint certainly doesn’t need to chisel more money from pipe smokers. Feel free to try and persuade them.
I'm not going to put a lot of effort into it, myself -- I hope increased taxes work. There are a lot of "pipe tobaccos" sold that are really for RYO cigarettes, and raising the overall price of cigarettes is a laudable measure.
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Post by pappyjoe on Apr 19, 2019 8:21:23 GMT -5
Buy as much as you can of what you like before the tax goes into effect. Some of you call it cellaring, but I call it building my inventory. Then when the taxes goes up, the revenue the state gets from you goes down.
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Post by peteguy on Apr 19, 2019 10:33:55 GMT -5
It is good to see a tax discussion happening without someone freaking out and demanding you stop it at once. As much as certain individuals don't want to broach the subject it does have a place here. Well handled everyone.  |
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 19, 2019 12:08:48 GMT -5
Unless you are the guy that doesn’t have it. The gubmint certainly doesn’t need to chisel more money from pipe smokers. Increases of 2x or 3x is not fair to those who are on fixed incomes and just want to enjoy a hobby. Sadly, California has already placed huge punitive taxes on smoking. Most B&Ms have closed and everybody here now orders from out of state. It's a sad deterioration of state of affairs. |
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Post by xingpao on Apr 20, 2019 15:46:15 GMT -5
Sin taxes awlays work, that's why nobody drinks alcohol anymore.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Apr 20, 2019 16:19:44 GMT -5
Unless you are the guy that doesn’t have it. The gubmint certainly doesn’t need to chisel more money from pipe smokers. Increases of 2x or 3x is not fair to those who are on fixed incomes and just want to enjoy a hobby. I'm amazed anyone still expects taxes to be fair. They haven't been fair to fixed income families in my lifetime. Maybe they never have been. |
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Post by puffy on Apr 20, 2019 16:59:23 GMT -5
The problem with fixed income is that the emphasis is on Fixed while the price of every thing continues to rise.
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Post by trailboss on Apr 20, 2019 17:10:14 GMT -5
The problem with fixed income is that the emphasis is on Fixed while the price of every thing continues to rise. A salient point in an economy of words. Some retired people have multi-million dollar homes that winter in Phoenix, a tobacco tax is easily absorbed for them. For every one of them, there are scores of others that have nowhere near them resources. Tobacco may indeed be a luxury, but having worked all their lives, citizens should be able to enjoy simple pleasures without burdensome taxation. If Justification for taxation is because tobacco like a yacht is considered a luxury therefore subject to increased taxation, then fresh milk can be a luxury, people can get by on powdered milk, premium cheese should be taxed higher than processed cheese slices, etc...camel nose under tent. |
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