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Post by stone on Apr 23, 2019 10:31:34 GMT -5
Please forgive me if I show my ignorance!
I have read that the draft hole should always enter exactly at the bottom of the bowl. As I experiment with different pipes and learning how to gauge the right moisture content for a good pack I am getting a lot of gurgling and it makes me wonder. If the draft hole was slightly above the bottom, the liquid could sit below the draft hole and reduce the likelihood of gurgling?
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 23, 2019 10:41:18 GMT -5
Some Danish carvers leave the draft above the bottom for that very purpose. Are your gurglers bent?
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Post by stone on Apr 23, 2019 10:54:28 GMT -5
Some Danish carvers leave the draft above the bottom for that very purpose. Are your gurglers bent? Well, I can't say that it happens with any particular shape. I simply haven't smoked enough to know if it's the pipe or the way I pack/smoke. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 23, 2019 11:06:11 GMT -5
stone ... a precisely placed draft hole is one of the hallmarks of a fine pipe. Will it stop the gurgles? Not necessarily... too many other factors. Usually, if you experience a gurgle, run a pipe-cleaner through the pipe and continue your smoke.
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Post by stone on Apr 23, 2019 11:27:06 GMT -5
stone ... a precisely placed draft hole is one of the hallmarks of a fine pipe. Will it stop the gurgles? Not necessarily... too many other factors. Usually, if you experience a gurgle, run a pipe-cleaner through the pipe and continue your smoke. Thanks! That's what I started doing. I was just curious if I was misunderstanding something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 11:36:40 GMT -5
stone ... a precisely placed draft hole is one of the hallmarks of a fine pipe. Will it stop the gurgles? Not necessarily... too many other factors. Usually, if you experience a gurgle, run a pipe-cleaner through the pipe and continue your smoke. +1.......Also if your tobacco is overly moist, even with the perfect mechanics of a pipe at some point you can experience a gurgle at times......happens to me on pipes that never gurgled prior. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 23, 2019 11:49:33 GMT -5
I've also found that much of my gurgling occurs at the bend in the stem.
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Post by slowroll on Apr 23, 2019 12:08:49 GMT -5
I've also found that much of my gurgling occurs at the bend in the stem. Yep. Or at the end of the tenon if it's not concentric with the draft hole in the shank. |
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 23, 2019 12:52:28 GMT -5
stone ... a precisely placed draft hole is one of the hallmarks of a fine pipe. Will it stop the gurgles? Not necessarily... too many other factors. Usually, if you experience a gurgle, run a pipe-cleaner through the pipe and continue your smoke. You can grasp the pipe with your palm over the bowl and flick your wrist like cracking a whip to expel the moisture buildup. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Apr 23, 2019 15:42:09 GMT -5
stone ... a precisely placed draft hole is one of the hallmarks of a fine pipe. Will it stop the gurgles? Not necessarily... too many other factors. Usually, if you experience a gurgle, run a pipe-cleaner through the pipe and continue your smoke. You can grasp the pipe with your palm over the bowl and flick your wrist like cracking a whip to expel the moisture buildup. ...with my luck, the dang pipe would fly out of my hand and be in pieces on the ground... |
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Post by stone on Apr 23, 2019 15:58:17 GMT -5
stone ... a precisely placed draft hole is one of the hallmarks of a fine pipe. Will it stop the gurgles? Not necessarily... too many other factors. Usually, if you experience a gurgle, run a pipe-cleaner through the pipe and continue your smoke. You can grasp the pipe with your palm over the bowl and flick your wrist like cracking a whip to expel the moisture buildup. Not sure I want that stuff all over my man cave walls  |
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 23, 2019 16:10:39 GMT -5
You can grasp the pipe with your palm over the bowl and flick your wrist like cracking a whip to expel the moisture buildup. Not sure I want that stuff all over my man cave walls I do it over a trash can. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 23, 2019 16:40:55 GMT -5
That's my method when I'm outside. I did it in my car once because I didnt have a pipe cleaner... that was real fun to get off the windshield.
(My car isnt a gem)
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Post by kbareit on Apr 23, 2019 19:08:45 GMT -5
If you have a gurgler don't lean back and elevate the pipe in your mouth. I did that stretching in my recliner and got some tobacco juice down my throat. That was rough. Good thing I had a bottle water nearby.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 19:09:04 GMT -5
Please forgive me if I show my ignorance!
I have read that the draft hole should always enter exactly at the bottom of the bowl. As I experiment with different pipes and learning how to gauge the right moisture content for a good pack I am getting a lot of gurgling and it makes me wonder. If the draft hole was slightly above the bottom, the liquid could sit below the draft hole and reduce the likelihood of gurgling?
If the draft hole enters the chamber just above the bottom it will gurgle because you've left a valley for moisture to collect......period. Only way to fix this is to mud the bottom of the bowl to raise it where it is level with the draft hole.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 23, 2019 19:11:16 GMT -5
^^ I had to do that with an LHS that was over reamed when I got it. Pipe mud works great, but the pipe still smokes poorly.
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Post by stone on Apr 24, 2019 7:06:50 GMT -5
I've used cigar ash to make mud because it is easier to make consistent. Pipe ash tends to have chunks. Plus it gives me a reason to smoke a cigar |
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 24, 2019 7:38:25 GMT -5
Please forgive me if I show my ignorance!
I have read that the draft hole should always enter exactly at the bottom of the bowl. As I experiment with different pipes and learning how to gauge the right moisture content for a good pack I am getting a lot of gurgling and it makes me wonder. If the draft hole was slightly above the bottom, the liquid could sit below the draft hole and reduce the likelihood of gurgling?
If the draft hole enters the chamber just above the bottom it will gurgle because you've left a valley for moisture to collect......period. Only way to fix this is to mud the bottom of the bowl to raise it where it is level with the draft hole.
All of my Preben Holm and Ben Wade pieces are drilled like that with no gurgle. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Apr 24, 2019 10:18:54 GMT -5
The goal is to have the draft hole center with the bottom of the bowl, but that doesn't always happen, especially if you're reaming with a more tapered bit. I haven't noticed a HUGE difference if the draft hole is a millimeter or two above the bottom. Like people have said, some are done that way on purpose. I think the gurgle mostly happens around the tenon junction with the base of the mortise, or if the stem/draft holes don't line up well. If there's a big gap there, it'll give the pipe a chance to build moisture there. I try my best to get the stem tenon as close to the base as possible, and chamfer the tenon rim on both sides (inner and outer) to avoid any round-off of the mortise sides in the base, and to keep the airflow free of any impediment.
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 24, 2019 10:33:40 GMT -5
^^This. Pipes I've had that have gurgled have always had moisture build-up in the mortise/tenon area, never in the bowl.
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Post by captblack on Apr 24, 2019 12:23:07 GMT -5
Moist tobacco plus heat plus nonlinear airflow will almost always result in moisture accumulation. Some can be absorbed by the pipe itself, in other cases it will collect at the bottom of the bowl, at the tenon, or anywhere airflow is changed. A pipe cleaner is an easy solution. A paper filter also can help absorb moisture while not significantly impacting draw. I've been known to do the palm flick when moisture became annoying. Its just one of those things we have to deal with.
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 24, 2019 19:38:55 GMT -5
I do what Lonecoyote does. If I get a little gurgle I just run a cleaner through to the bowl and its gone.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 20:56:42 GMT -5
You can also use the Czech tool pick. Center the pick, running it down the back of the bowl and gently push the tobacco forward, just a smidgen.
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Post by monbla256 on Apr 28, 2019 23:43:12 GMT -5
My experience over 50+ years of smoking is that there is no hard-n-fast reason for this as far as where the draft hole is . I have straight and 1/8th bent and 2 full bent pipes that can gurgle. ( Side note: I have rarely found a full bent pipe that smokes nice and dry so I only have two both Pete Systems bought by my father in 1946. Go figure ! ) I don't think it has a lot to do whether it's at the exact bottom or slightly above. There are to many variables involved to blame it always as to where the draft hole is IMHO 
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Post by stone on Apr 29, 2019 3:31:39 GMT -5
My experience over 50+ years of smoking is that there is no hard-n-fast reason for this as far as where the draft hole is . I have straight and 1/8th bent and 2 full bent pipes that can gurgle. ( Side note: I have rarely found a full bent pipe that smokes nice and dry so I only have two both Pete Systems bought by my father in 1946. Go figure ! ) I don't think it has a lot to do whether it's at the exact bottom or slightly above. There are to many variables involved to blame it always as to where the draft hole is IMHO This all sounds logical. I have also noticed that a pipe that I thought smoked dry would gurgle the next time I smoked it. It was either due to a different tobacco or something that I did differently. I guess it's just all part of the fun LOL |
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Post by chasingembers on Apr 29, 2019 8:26:44 GMT -5
My experience over 50+ years of smoking is that there is no hard-n-fast reason for this as far as where the draft hole is . I have straight and 1/8th bent and 2 full bent pipes that can gurgle. ( Side note: I have rarely found a full bent pipe that smokes nice and dry so I only have two both Pete Systems bought by my father in 1946. Go figure ! ) I don't think it has a lot to do whether it's at the exact bottom or slightly above. There are to many variables involved to blame it always as to where the draft hole is IMHO This all sounds logical. I have also noticed that a pipe that I thought smoked dry would gurgle the next time I smoked it. It was either due to a different tobacco or something that I did differently. I guess it's just all part of the fun LOL Does that pipe have a chamfered tenon? |
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Post by stone on Apr 29, 2019 8:32:58 GMT -5
This all sounds logical. I have also noticed that a pipe that I thought smoked dry would gurgle the next time I smoked it. It was either due to a different tobacco or something that I did differently. I guess it's just all part of the fun LOL Does that pipe have a chamfered tenon? Yes, very slight, but yes. |
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Post by Mac on Apr 29, 2019 9:34:39 GMT -5
Moist tobacco plus heat plus nonlinear airflow will almost always result in moisture accumulation. Some can be absorbed by the pipe itself, in other cases it will collect at the bottom of the bowl, at the tenon, or anywhere airflow is changed. A pipe cleaner is an easy solution. A paper filter also can help absorb moisture while not significantly impacting draw. I've been known to do the palm flick when moisture became annoying. Its just one of those things we have to deal with. Yes, the major thing one can do is dry the tobacco, and make sure the chamber is dry before loading. Exactly where the airway meets the bottom of the chamber is aesthetics, not gurgle proofing. As embers said, it's likely to occur in the mortise. Again, dry tobacco is the "cure". |
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Post by sperrytops on Apr 29, 2019 12:16:57 GMT -5
You'll get a little gurgle if the tobacco is wet, or maybe you packed a little tight and are drawing too hard on it. If you're smoking the same pipe several times in a row it can get a bit wet at the bottom as well. As noted by others above, if it happens just use a pipe cleaner or clear the passageway with the ol' czech tool. Or clean the stem and shank (if your smoking the same pipe). I always run a pipe cleaner through my pipe after I finish a bowl, even if I am going to smoke it again. It helps a lot.
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