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Post by Wolfman on May 19, 2019 8:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 8:58:35 GMT -5
My belief, in less then 2 years it will be illegal to purchase pipe tobacco’s or cigars online, taxed or not. Can you purchase cigarettes online now....nope. JMHO
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Post by pepesdad1 on May 19, 2019 9:00:49 GMT -5
Saw that...it's coming! That is the purpose of having a cellar NOW...if you wait you are gonna be paying more if you can even get what you are looking for.
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Post by trailboss on May 19, 2019 9:04:08 GMT -5
Many states have the same policy as Michigan. Here in Arizona, it is cigarettes online (not sure about smokeless tobacco). About a year ago, SP started collecting Arizona sales tax, P&C does not. I think in the case of Arizona, for cigar and pipe tobacco it is the general sales tax that is collected not a tobacco tax. The policies vary from state to state. Read the last sentence... at least for Arizona, for now...this is the first link that always comes up on my Az based IP on searches. www.azag.gov/consumer/tobacco/delivery-sales-ban |
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Post by LSUTigersFan on May 19, 2019 9:44:47 GMT -5
Thankfully, my cellar is more or less at a point to satisfy my minimum needs. For those of you who do not have that luxury, DO NOT WAIT. As Walt said, while your tobacco of choice may well be available in the future, you may have no ability to get it, if you live out of state.
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Post by roadsdiverged on May 19, 2019 11:54:51 GMT -5
Thankfully my cellar looks pretty good and should support MANY years of future smokes.
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 19, 2019 12:01:33 GMT -5
Man... I'm having an anxiety attack.
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 19, 2019 12:04:49 GMT -5
If PA were to collect 500% taxes on my cellar, I'd personally be responsible for building a bridge or two.
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Post by Legend Lover on May 19, 2019 17:56:47 GMT -5
If PA were to collect 500% taxes on my cellar, I'd personally be responsible for building a bridge or two. hahaha. I'm thinking that a time might come when tobacco is more expensive in the USA than it is in the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 19:00:51 GMT -5
My belief, in less then 2 years it will be illegal to purchase pipe tobacco’s or cigars online, taxed or not. Can you purchase cigarettes online now....nope. JMHO Okay, I am marking my calendar to see if you are a real fortune teller or not. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2019 19:11:29 GMT -5
My belief, in less then 2 years it will be illegal to purchase pipe tobacco’s or cigars online, taxed or not. Can you purchase cigarettes online now....nope. JMHO Okay, I am marking my calendar to see if you are a real fortune teller or not. Marty, I’d make you a tobacco bet on this one, but I won’t be around to collect!!! |
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Post by Legend Lover on May 21, 2019 5:47:01 GMT -5
Okay, I am marking my calendar to see if you are a real fortune teller or not. Marty, I’d make you a tobacco bet on this one, but I won’t be around to collect!!! I hope you're wrong on that one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 5:58:04 GMT -5
Marty, I’d make you a tobacco bet on this one, but I won’t be around to collect!!! I hope you're wrong on that one. Paddy, so do I. |
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Post by cwpiperman on May 26, 2019 23:06:24 GMT -5
Yikes!
From MI Treasury Website:
"It's A Crime!
It's a crime to purchase cigarette's and other tobacco products by mail, over the internet, or in any other way unless the seller is properly licensed by the State of Michigan and each cigarette pack is affixed with a Michigan tobacco stamp. Violations are punishable by up to five years imprisonment, along with seizures of assets from anyone possessing illegally purchased cigarettes."
CW (and they got the apostrophe wrong...)
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Post by cwpiperman on May 28, 2019 11:56:28 GMT -5
However, I don't see any MI law that clearly states whether or not it is legal to purchase PIPES, not tobacco, online. Does anyone know of an authoritative article or website that discusses this? Since the FDA considers pipes as "tobacco products", however ridiculous that is, and since purchasing tobacco products online in MI is currently banned, does that mean MI pipers can't buy new and/or estate pipes online???
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Post by sperrytops on May 28, 2019 12:06:54 GMT -5
Depressing thread. Glad I've got a bit of a cellar at this point. Right now in California the only thing we're required to do is declare untaxed purchases made online on our State returns. I'm sure that will change soon enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2019 14:18:22 GMT -5
In its ongoing effort to drive LiL Brown smoke shop out of business, Washington State banned the sale of pipes by mail/commercial delivery.
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Post by Legend Lover on May 29, 2019 3:44:49 GMT -5
However, I don't see any MI law that clearly states whether or not it is legal to purchase PIPES, not tobacco, online. Does anyone know of an authoritative article or website that discusses this? Since the FDA considers pipes as "tobacco products", however ridiculous that is, and since purchasing tobacco products online in MI is currently banned, does that mean MI pipers can't buy new and/or estate pipes online??? I could see someone needing something like a 'collectors license' in the future, if someone wanted to purchase a pipe. 🙄 |
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Post by Mac on May 29, 2019 10:03:28 GMT -5
However, I don't see any MI law that clearly states whether or not it is legal to purchase PIPES, not tobacco, online. Does anyone know of an authoritative article or website that discusses this? Since the FDA considers pipes as "tobacco products", however ridiculous that is, and since purchasing tobacco products online in MI is currently banned, does that mean MI pipers can't buy new and/or estate pipes online??? I could see someone needing something like a 'collectors license' in the future, if someone wanted to purchase a pipe. 🙄 I wouldn't let such a possible cloud deter me from buying pipes online. |
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Post by Legend Lover on May 29, 2019 13:12:02 GMT -5
I could see someone needing something like a 'collectors license' in the future, if someone wanted to purchase a pipe. 🙄 I wouldn't let such a possible cloud deter me from buying pipes online. nor should you. |
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Post by cwpiperman on May 29, 2019 14:11:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't let such a possible cloud deter me from buying pipes online. nor should you. The issue is that for MI residents, buying "tobacco products" online, or out of state an bringing them home, can result in: "Fines of 500% of unpaid tax + tax owed Seizure of the product Seizure of vehicle used to transport tobacco product Imprisonment for 5 years and/or $5000 fine." Seems like MI residents would wanna be sure..... |
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Post by stone on May 29, 2019 14:45:21 GMT -5
Son of a biscuit eater! Now I have to go order some tobacco!
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Post by Mac on May 29, 2019 15:09:26 GMT -5
Well. I'd maintain a pipe isn't a product of tobacco, and more importantly I'd make sure that tax has been paid. It appears aimed at smugglers, wholesalers. But who knows if some douchebag official wants to round up a small fish to make some news.
Maybe you should move!
And I wonder if the ACLU would take the case..... 10:1, no.
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Post by cwpiperman on May 29, 2019 16:38:52 GMT -5
Well. I'd maintain a pipe isn't a product of tobacco, and more importantly I'd make sure that tax has been paid. It appears aimed at smugglers, wholesalers. But who knows if some douchebag official wants to round up a small fish to make some news. Maybe you should move! And I wonder if the ACLU would take the case..... 10:1, no. Nah, no need to move. I buy my piping stuff from a local B&M who can order and get whatever customers want. I walked in the other day and strolled out with 8oz bags of Margate, And So to Bed, and Ramsgate.  |
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