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Post by Ronv69 on May 31, 2019 9:47:33 GMT -5
That's a great choice. "I can relieve your pain a little bit, but you will bleed to death." My friend was a medic in Vietnam. His job was to gather urine specimens from the troops for drug tests. What a f*d up war. Should make it a requirement that all politicians that vote for war, be in the front lines...not back at home in the luxury of peace and freedom. "The ones who give the orders are not the ones who die". From "There were Roses" |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 9:50:56 GMT -5
That's a great choice. "I can relieve your pain a little bit, but you will bleed to death." My friend was a medic in Vietnam. His job was to gather urine specimens from the troops for drug tests. What a f*d up war. Should make it a requirement that all politicians that vote for war, be in the front lines...not back at home in the luxury of peace and freedom. YOUBETCHA.......I can hear it now from Trump.....” can I push the big RED button....please....please......my button is bigger than yours......lol. |
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Post by exchef on May 31, 2019 15:53:30 GMT -5
Hi all again; I am sorry that I sounded mad, it might be the lack of sleep and all the other things that are going on with my body. I feel your pain Pepsid for I am in the same boat. I'm 72 and have had 5 total hip replacements. The docs. say that if one goes or brakes I will be in a wheel chair for the rest of my life whats left of it. So again I say i am sorry I started this thread. Every body have a good day .Herman Herman, I am very sorry to hear your plight and hope you get relief from your chronic pain soon. As another one of the denizens here with chronic pain issues and limited recourse I do feel your pain. Being on pain meds long term is extremely difficult under the best circumstances, our bodies being the most complex machines on the planet given sufficient time will adapt and overcome just about everything. Including “healing” things that have been fixed. Personally, I have degenerative issues at L5/S1 that include a leaky disk that can’t be fixed, so I keep getting told, so get to live with that. I am scheduled for knee surgery a week from Tuesday to repair a torn meniscus and am in PT for shoulder issues which may wind up requiring surgery after all. I think my warranty ran out. Anyway, keep your chin up, hope that you get relief from your pain soon! ExChef |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 17:57:58 GMT -5
exchef..........wishing you all the best with your upcoming surgery. I will add you to my Prayers and light a candle the night before your surgery. Please keep all of us informed on your progress......Godspeed.
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Post by pepesdad1 on May 31, 2019 18:04:10 GMT -5
exchef ..........wishing you all the best with your upcoming surgery. I will add you to my Prayers and light a candle the night before your surgery. Please keep all of us informed on your progress......Godspeed. I, too, will add you to the prayer list....amazingly enough I seem to be able to remember all the names...we really do have bunch of folks with problems...leaky disc? All mine went kablooy on the same day...literally lost 3" in height in one day. Talk about a weird feeling. |
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Post by Darin on May 31, 2019 18:09:23 GMT -5
Tramadol seems to be a very popular back-pain med around here ... a little less strong than the opiates perhaps?
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Post by peteguy on May 31, 2019 18:12:49 GMT -5
Knee replacement surgery they were giving me 4 oxi something every 4 hours. After two day I was ready to give up. Did wonders for the pain but the side effects were horrible. They switched me to a morphine base pill and it was amazing to not have the side effects. I took those until the end of rehab but I tapered off as fast as I could.
Everyone reacts differently to meds and yet doctors try the one size fits all. You are your best doctor. Their are a lot of meds that are pure hell to come off of, not just opiates. We are here for you if you need to vent. Hang in there - the end of withdrawals is somewhere close and you will see it soon. A lot of forums are out there to help as well. Most of the time lowering the amount very slowly is the key especially if it has been a long term use thing.
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Post by peteguy on May 31, 2019 18:14:33 GMT -5
Tramadol seems to be a very popular back-pain med around here ... a little less strong than the opiates perhaps? Might as well take otc stuff imo. Less side effects and works about as well.  |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jun 1, 2019 11:22:35 GMT -5
Tramadol seems to be a very popular back-pain med around here ... a little less strong than the opiates perhaps? they gave me tramadol after a tooth extraction. Ibuprofen worked just as well. |
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Post by Darin on Jun 1, 2019 12:14:29 GMT -5
Tramadol seems to be a very popular back-pain med around here ... a little less strong than the opiates perhaps? they gave me tramadol after a tooth extraction. Ibuprofen worked just as well.
It's the only thing that seems to work for my mom's back pain (degenerative disc, etc.) after trying many things.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 1, 2019 21:19:01 GMT -5
Tramadol worked well for me coming off two shoulder surgeries... major rotator cuff, bicep, and Labrum tears in both shoulders.... It really took the edge off the pain and helped me transition through physical therapy well.
I still have a full bottle of 800 mg Ibuprofen that did nothing for me.
Different strokes for different folks.
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Post by elric on Jun 6, 2019 23:17:46 GMT -5
Just to share my experience; Over 19 years ago I was diagnosed with Buergers disease & told "100% of Buergers patients will suffer multiple amputations & death within 2-3 years after diagnosis".
That didn't sound too good so after 6 months in hospital, a failed by-pass & an amputation, I wasn't in a happy frame of mind.
Having a terminal illness is a great excuse to lean on the doctors for pain meds & I was taking a minimum of 500mg of morphine daily. Some days it would be 650mg.
After around 18 months I decided to cut back & reduced at home down to 350mg a day. At first it was easy to reduce by large increments but it got to the point where reducing by just 10mg a day made me feel lousy.
As a patient I refuse to be treated like a junkie. Thankfully my pain doctor agreed & admitted me to hospital to go cold turkey.
Over three days they reduced me to 5% of my usual dose. Apart from excess sweating for the first 4-5 days & feeling like crap, I experienced no other withdrawal symptoms.
On day 17 I left hospital on 150mg a day that I've maintained since. I felt really good once I received a 50mg dose three times a day.
Knowing that I was facing a very painful demise, I refused other opiate medication & stuck with morphine, saving stronger medications for when the time came when I'd require one that my body had less tolerance to than morphine.
Doing quite a bit of research, I discovered that there's a big difference between morphine & synthetic opiates such as Oxycodone (Hillbilly heroin) & methadone for example.
Withdrawal from morphine can take quite a few months. Withdrawal from synthetic opiates goes on for several months & the withdrawal symptoms are much worse.
Synthetic opiates are much harder on the body than morphine, damaging the liver & kidneys over time.
After 19 years of morphine use my liver & kidney test results come back as healthy.
For several years the pain clinic doctors tried to force me onto methadone. I point blank refused because methadone has a very long half life & is why methadone turns users into zombies. Most people aren't even aware that I'm taking morphine because it's not obvious & I function well on the stuff.
(The pain clinic tries to force patients onto methadone because it reclassifies the patient from 'Post operative patient still requiring opiate medication' - which makes the doctors look bad. - to 'Post operative patients dependent on opiate medication' In-other-words the patient goes from being viewed as a patient to being treated as a junkie)
Morphine is by far the lesser evil than synthetic opiate medication.
The U.S. situation re; opiate medications has had a ripple effect that has hit our shores. Rather than a once yearly appt. with the pain clinic I've been called back in just a few months after my last.
It's clear to me that the doctors intend to switch as many patients as they can to methadone to make themselves look good so I'm prepared for more aggressive abuse from these 'healers'. Grrr.
Had I not stuck to my guns & insisted on remaining on morphine, I doubt that I'd still be alive. (12 other Buergers patients I've known who trusted the doctors & accepted methadone & a bunch of pHarmaceutical drugs that I've refused, all died within 3 years)
As it's now Winter, my pain levels have increased & I wonder if this is the Winter when I deteriorate(the cold affects me for the worse. My fingers are so sore it's painful to type. My remaining foot is also giving me curry) The appt. with the pain clinic on the 11th will be 'interesting'.
Wish me luck. I'm going to need it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 4:15:37 GMT -5
On the evening of the 10th a candle will be lit and a special Prayer said for you. I wish you all the best. May God always look over you.
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Post by elric on Jun 7, 2019 4:49:37 GMT -5
On the evening of the 10th a candle will be lit and a special Prayer said for you. I wish you all the best. May God always look over you. Thank you Ted. The Angels of Light have been watching over me. It's why I'm still here. Angels and cannabis, lol. They will also be there with my loved ones in spirit, to welcome me home when my time comes. I'm not afraid of death itself but I am apprehensive about the process. If you could mention that point it would be much appreciated. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jun 7, 2019 8:00:58 GMT -5
Elric...prayers will be said for you by me, as well.....question.....in everything, and I mean everything that I have read indicates that the chemicals in tobacco react with the lining of the blood vessels and cause the reaction that, other than genetic inheritance, is directly related to tobacco being a cause of this disease...any thoughts on this?
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Post by elric on Jun 7, 2019 9:53:57 GMT -5
Tramadol seems to be a very popular back-pain med around here ... a little less strong than the opiates perhaps? Tramadol was at first touted as a safer alternative to other opiates. It's actually less safe than morphine. It damages the kidneys & liver. It's harsh on the gut. Mixing with alcohol can kill. Synthetic opiates are much harder on the body than morphine. |
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Post by elric on Jun 7, 2019 10:50:13 GMT -5
Elric...prayers will be said for you by me, as well.....question.....in everything, and I mean everything that I have read indicates that the chemicals in tobacco react with the lining of the blood vessels and cause the reaction that, other than genetic inheritance, is directly related to tobacco being a cause of this disease...any thoughts on this? Walt, it is said that nicotine is the cause of Buergers disease. It's well known that Buergers patients are chronically addicted to nicotine. I've used nicotine as a way to cope with stress & depression since I was 12yo. It wouldn't matter how long I'd abstained, whenever I became really stressed or depressed, I'd grab a cigarette. All thoughts for my health would not be considered, I simply wouldn't care in the moment. Giving up was torture. This is why pipes have worked for me. The tobaccos I choose are mild & very low in nicotine. Since switching to a pipe my symptoms have improved dramatically. Unfortunately the damage already done is irreversible. Experience has proved to me that it's the 300+ chemicals that are in cigarettes is what caused my illness. At the time I was defending myself in Family Court. My stress levels were through the roof & I was smoking 40 a day. I've outlived the doctors diagnosis by 16-17 years. I'm grateful that I was able to be there for my boy & watch him grow into a fine young man. That's all I wanted when I was first told that I had 2-3 years to live, my only thoughts was for my son. Smoking a pipe is my last remaining pleasure in life. Living with a terminal illness is not easy. Living with chronic pain is not easy. Puffing on a pipe helps. Life would be far less pleasant without. At this point it's quality of life that's my main priority. I'll give up my pipe when they take it from my cold dead hands. Many don't understand but there it is. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jun 7, 2019 11:54:08 GMT -5
Glad you are feeling better, Elric. I have been on a morphine regimen for over 10 years...wouldn't be able to move or get up in the morning with bone on bone pain without the morphine. Like you, my body got accustomed to it where my everyday activities, limited as they are, aren't affected by the morphine. Without it, I would be in more serious constant pain than I am already...so the morphine has been a God-send.
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