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Post by matt on Jun 1, 2019 20:43:32 GMT -5
Saw a Instagram post from GQ the other day. Apparently Germain’s is mimicking Penzance with this one. Curious if anyone has had a chance to try it. Thoughts? Opinions?
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 1, 2019 21:34:14 GMT -5
Saw a Instagram post from GQ the other day. Apparently Germain’s is mimicking Penzance with this one. Curious if anyone has had a chance to try it. Thoughts? Opinions? I’m not sure what you mean by "mimic". Penzance and 1820 are nothing like each other. Penzance is a Lat bomb while 1820 is an Oriental forward mild English. The two blends that I find to be close to 1820 are Lane LEO and Rattray's Red Rapparee.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 4:49:12 GMT -5
Just for the record, Germain's is the manufacturer of Esoterica.....or vise versa....same company.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 2, 2019 15:48:21 GMT -5
Funny you mention that. I've often wondered if the UK blends that I can get are the same blends in the USA but with different names.
It appears not to be the case, but I don't know for sure.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 2, 2019 17:06:40 GMT -5
Just for the record, Germain's is the manufacturer of Esoterica.....or vise versa....same company. First thing I thought of...I can't imagine them trying to put the same product on the market with the same name...it isn't like they have hard time selling the stuff. Judging by the dates of the reviews, this stuff isn't new to the market. www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/1578/j-f-germain-son-eighteen-twentyfrom reviewers:
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jun 2, 2019 18:25:08 GMT -5
Just for the record, Germain's is the manufacturer of Esoterica.....or vise versa....same company. Good to see ya back, Ron...bout time we heard hear from ya.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 2, 2019 19:18:40 GMT -5
Just for the record, Germain's is the manufacturer of Esoterica.....or vise versa....same company. First thing I thought of...I can't imagine them trying to put the same product on the market with the same name...it isn't like they have hard time selling the stuff. Judging by the dates of the reviews, this stuff isn't new to the market. www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/1578/j-f-germain-son-eighteen-twentyfrom reviewers: That second review is total BS. First off, 1820 is NOT a Flake; it is a Ribbon. That review is obviously misplaced and was meant for some other Germain blend. I am extremely familiar with 1820. Comparing it to Penzance or Special Latakia Flake is 100% wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 19:20:57 GMT -5
Just for the record, Germain's is the manufacturer of Esoterica.....or vise versa....same company. Good to see ya back, Ron...bout time we heard hear from ya. Thank you Walt, just keeping my nose to the grind stone trying to get my shop done.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 19:27:30 GMT -5
Funny you mention that. I've often wondered if the UK blends that I can get are the same blends in the USA but with different names. It appears not to be the case, but I don't know for sure. Well, Here's one I know of, Germain's RDF (Rich Dark Flake)is so close to being Esoterica's Stonehaven it aint funny and I'm not the only one that agrees with that.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 2, 2019 19:29:11 GMT -5
I should add that 1820 is absolutely horrible stuff that you should not subject yourself to. Please, send all tins to me so that I can properly dispose of them by incineration one bowl at a time.
This blend is hard to find. In a good year, I’m lucky to find 2 or 3 tins.
My favorite blend is LEO which is out of production but is deep in my cellar. The two closest blends that I’ve found to it are 1820 and Red Rapparee.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 2, 2019 19:33:03 GMT -5
Hey...I saw it on the internets...true! Thanks for the input, doubt I will ever see the stuff...but it appears that it is new in the flake form, hence the confusion. From the aforementioned GQ Instagram post: http://instagr.am/p/ByDjoveBN3x The gold foil presentation in the 500 gram package lends itself to people perceiving that it is Esoterica like I reckon. I suspect he may be right considering the differences in laws.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 2, 2019 20:39:33 GMT -5
If its really UK’s equivalent to Penzance then 1820 Flake is nothing like 1820 in 50gm tins. An unfortunate reuse of the name or a bad marketing description of the blend.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 2, 2019 21:09:35 GMT -5
To be fair, I think the people at GQ site might have bolted too soon, John and the second poster at TR and you might be closer in opinion than you thought at at first glance.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 2, 2019 21:13:00 GMT -5
Wait, maybe it's the UK's equivalent to Penzance in that they’re only going to release 10 bags at a time.... 😂😂😂😂
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Post by JimInks on Jun 2, 2019 21:42:17 GMT -5
If its really UK’s equivalent to Penzance then 1820 Flake is nothing like 1820 in 50gm tins. An unfortunate reuse of the name or a bad marketing description of the blend. I agree. 1820 in the tin is nothing like Penzance. The Flake in the bag... I dunno. Never tried it.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 3, 2019 1:58:52 GMT -5
Hmmm. With all this talk I think the next logical step for me is to buy some 1820 this month.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 3, 2019 11:34:03 GMT -5
Hmmm. With all this talk I think the next logical step for me is to buy some 1820 this month. I’m looking forward to your report!
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 3, 2019 12:32:58 GMT -5
Hmmm. With all this talk I think the next logical step for me is to buy some 1820 this month. I’m looking forward to your report! It will be forthcoming... Seems like a good dose of latakia in it.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 3, 2019 13:00:50 GMT -5
Funny you mention that. I've often wondered if the UK blends that I can get are the same blends in the USA but with different names. It appears not to be the case, but I don't know for sure. From what I understand the closest thing Germain's offers in the UK to Penzance is Rich Dark Flake. They're not precisely the same as I think Penzance is supposed to be sweeter , but possibly pretty near. I've never had Rich Dark Flake so cannot comment on the accuracy of this, but I've heard it from more than one source.
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Post by Dramatwist on Jun 3, 2019 13:24:29 GMT -5
Esoterica Penzance was my favorite tobacco since the late 1990s, until I stumbled upon Arango Balkan Supreme. It's not in the same form (it's ready-rubbed) and doesn't taste exactly like Penzance... but for me, it satisfies my palate in the same way. YMMV.
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Post by peteguy on Jun 3, 2019 15:48:06 GMT -5
Funny you mention that. I've often wondered if the UK blends that I can get are the same blends in the USA but with different names. It appears not to be the case, but I don't know for sure. From what I understand the closest thing Germain's offers in the UK to Penzance is Rich Dark Flake. They're not precisely the same as I think Penzance is supposed to be sweeter , but possibly pretty near. I've never had Rich Dark Flake so cannot comment on the accuracy of this, but I've heard it from more than one source. RDF is similar to Stonehaven. I have had RDF and it plays very closely with Stoney - just a few subtle yet quite pronounced differences.
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Post by Darin on Jun 3, 2019 16:16:43 GMT -5
+1 ... I actually prefer RDF over Stonehaven.
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Post by matt on Jun 3, 2019 17:33:18 GMT -5
I prefer RDF over Stonehaven. Stonehaven is nice but it lacks in nice to me. If both were sitting in front of me. Plus, I can get RDF easier and cheaper than Stonehaven.
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Post by matt on Jun 3, 2019 17:37:29 GMT -5
Esoterica Penzance was my favorite tobacco since the late 1990s, until I stumbled upon Arango Balkan Supreme. It's not in the same form (it's ready-rubbed) and doesn't taste exactly like Penzance... but for me, it satisfies my palate in the same way. YMMV. I’d like to say that Penzance is my favorite Latakia smoke, but I can’t call it my favorite when I rarely get to smoke it. I can’t afford the inflated prices for it, so I’ve settled on Star of the East Flake. SOTE is readily available at normal retail prices. It ages wonderfully and itsmikes almost exactly the same; cool, dry, tasty. It’s texture is also very similar to Penz. It’s soft and rubs out so nicely. It’s like filling the pipe with semi-dry potting soil. If I can get my hands on some 1820, I’d love to compare them.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 6, 2019 14:33:00 GMT -5
From what I understand the closest thing Germain's offers in the UK to Penzance is Rich Dark Flake. They're not precisely the same as I think Penzance is supposed to be sweeter , but possibly pretty near. I've never had Rich Dark Flake so cannot comment on the accuracy of this, but I've heard it from more than one source. RDF is similar to Stonehaven. I have had RDF and it plays very closely with Stoney - just a few subtle yet quite pronounced differences. Thanks for clarifying. For some reason I thought Penzance, bt then I've never had Rich dark Flake so don't know.
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