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Post by puffy on Jun 7, 2019 9:55:47 GMT -5
In a city a few miles from where I live a court battle is being waged. A fella who owns an RV dealership is flying a huge American Flag..The city says he must take it down because is is bigger than the city ordinance allows flags to be..He says the ordinance is illegal because it attempts to limit his right to free speech.The flag is beautiful.As you can guess everyone around here hopes it stays..I will let you know how this all turns out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:07:28 GMT -5
I read about that one the other day Camping World makes a little over 3 billion a year and I am sure they have lawyers to keep the flag waving.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jun 7, 2019 10:33:02 GMT -5
Goes to show you how Government is AFU, I’m sure there are more pressing problems in that town than that.
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Post by stone on Jun 7, 2019 10:36:44 GMT -5
What town? We can all write them and tell them to show some patriotism!
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jun 7, 2019 10:43:00 GMT -5
I read about that one the other day Camping World makes a little over 3 billion a year and I am sure they have lawyers to keep the flag waving. Seems like that video about RVs says that Camping World is a bunch of crooks...even crooks have patriotism.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:40:19 GMT -5
Communism in action and like OC said, they gotta have better things to do with there time. Looks like maybe someone has an axe to grind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:59:43 GMT -5
That Flag needs to keep on flying high! American Pride.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 12:23:24 GMT -5
Well Larry not sure if they are crooks but a RV is a rolling nightmare if one is not mechanically inclined and there is a lot of buyers remorse for some.
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Post by dervis on Jun 7, 2019 13:17:50 GMT -5
That dealership could not pay for better advertisement. They are actually the lucky ones in this situation.
I agree to fight the town , every other issue better be fixed if they are going to waste a min measuring a flag. Which brings to mind what was so bad that happened that people on tax payer money had to meet to decide what size in their town a flag could be? QUICK WE HAVE A FLAG EMERGENCY!
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Post by kbareit on Jun 7, 2019 15:15:38 GMT -5
I can't believe a town has nothing better to worry about than the size of an American flag. We have a Gander store which is owned by Camping World and they fly a huge flag and it is a source of pride for this area.
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Post by booknpipe on Jun 8, 2019 15:09:02 GMT -5
I can understand why they may feel that oversized flags are a nuisance but they really need to put an exemption in their ordinance for the American flag. I would include an exception for state flags too.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 8, 2019 15:27:09 GMT -5
In Texas the state flag isn't allowed to be larger than the state.
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Post by ben888 on Jun 8, 2019 15:29:01 GMT -5
Bigger flag doesn't automatically equals patriotism.
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Post by dave g on Jun 8, 2019 17:35:40 GMT -5
Makes me want an RV.
Clever free advertising.
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Post by Mac on Jun 8, 2019 23:01:13 GMT -5
I read about that one the other day Camping World makes a little over 3 billion a year and I am sure they have lawyers to keep the flag waving. They don't earn shite. Revenues of over $5 billion, but net income is nil.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 8, 2019 23:08:28 GMT -5
I read about that one the other day Camping World makes a little over 3 billion a year and I am sure they have lawyers to keep the flag waving. Seems like that video about RVs says that Camping World is a bunch of crooks...even crooks have patriotism. Paulie Walnuts agrees.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 0:06:47 GMT -5
Good accountants Mac as they continue to grow at over 230 locations while selling underperforming Gander Mountain. I live in a fifth wheel but they don't get my money as I mail order most stuff I need and fix things myself. But hey if they want to fly a flag as big as giant billboard more power to em. Like I said before a RV is a nightmare on wheels. But really the thread is about being able to fly a American Flag be it a business or a private individual without being hassled by a government or homeowners association.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jun 9, 2019 5:08:54 GMT -5
I've been following this case. It has some interesting back story:
1st, the reason the community even has a flag size restriction: It stems from the time that the state was removing statues with a racist background (statues of Civil War figures, not erected during historic times after the Civil War, but erected during the later Jim-Crow era as a form of intimidation). Some people responded to the removal of these statues by flying giant Confederate flags along the highway. Since this was not the message that community wanted to display to interstate travelers, they created legislation limiting the size of a flag that could be displayed within a certain distance of a highway. Because of 1st amendment protections, they could not just limit the size of certain flags, as that would have been discriminatory. So they were forced to limit the size of all flags flown near a highway.
2nd, what is often not reported in this case is that the owner of the Camping World petitioned the community, and received a variance to fly a flag larger than that normally allowed. He then put up a flag twice as large as what he'd received a variance to fly. So, you could maybe consider him the Kim Kardashian of the RV world, intentionally manufacturing a situation in which he could play the victim for ratings.
It'll be interesting to see where it goes.
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Post by Wolfman on Jun 9, 2019 9:18:24 GMT -5
@ If the local court is a kangaroo court, there will be some angry people. You don’t have to be a libertarian to see this is impingement on free speech. Please keep us up to date. Thanks for sharing Larry.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jun 9, 2019 9:30:31 GMT -5
It looks like I have the dissenting opinion here.
IMHO, places like this are disrespecting the flag by using it for the commercial purpose of calling attention to their business. They aren’t flying the flag out of any sense of patriotism. They are flying it for selfish greed. To me, that is a disgrace.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jun 9, 2019 10:13:11 GMT -5
It looks like I have the dissenting opinion here. IMHO, places like this are disrespecting the flag by using it for the commercial purpose of calling attention to their business. They aren’t flying the flag out of any sense of patriotism. They are flying it for selfish greed. To me, that is a disgrace. Just so. As Samuel Johnson wrote three hundred years ago: "Patriotism is the last vestige of a scoundrel". Every crook loves to wrap him or her self up in the flag because they count on its effect to automatically provide a shield for whatever con they're trying to sell. Whatever happened to critical independent thinking? People with a real and profound love of country don't have to scream it to the heavens. It's inside a person. Maybe this is just another money laundering operation, like a couple of dealerships turned out to be. Billions a year and no appreciable profit? In any event, the guy doesn't need a super huge flag, except probably as a hook for reeling the suckers in. Nice to know that people sacrificed their all for this.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 9, 2019 11:35:20 GMT -5
I have never really read too much into the motives of a business that displays the flag or doesn't. Car dealerships/ RV Sales/ new home communities typically have really large flags flying...it is just the way it is around here...there are a lot of veterans in Arizona, and a lot of people that have deep respect for the flag.
Most businesses exist not to shaft people and rip them off, but to bring services and goods to the public...If they have a huge flag I don't doubt that it is used to connect with that segment of the population, but I also don't assume that that is the only motivation for flying the flag.
In the case of the Camping World video being mentioned in the RV thread, that was one guys opinion, it sounds pretty convincing that they have funky sales practices, but I certainly don't associate it with them capitalizing on patriotism...if they do shame on them individually, but not fair to assume another person or company does so with the same intent.
At work, every tractor in our fleet has the flag on it, every trailer has the Flag with God Bless America, and the patch is on my daily uniform...the CEO of our company is a Former Army officer and he has initiated a program through the military assistance program to train veterans as they transition into the workplace, and I am amazed at typically the respectful manner that the military guys come on board with. I am proud to work for a company, that truly cares for the shipper and consignee, and treats the employees with respect...and chooses to display the flag respectfully.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jun 9, 2019 11:39:58 GMT -5
Right Charlie, you didn’t have to serve to love your Country, waveing the Flag is a personal thing and critizeing that action to me is a lack of class.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jun 9, 2019 14:05:22 GMT -5
@ You don’t have to be a libertarian to see this is impingement on free speech. That's the whole thing; it's definitely not a 1st amendment violation, as long as the law applies equally to all flags. Like I said above, the only reason this is even an issue is because the community wanted to ban giant Confederate flags, but there's no legal way to do just that. They had to ban ALL giant flags, specifically to avoid it being a 1st amendment violation.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 9, 2019 16:23:57 GMT -5
What a strange thing to sue somebody over. Don't know if its city or county, but don't they have better things to spend their money on? Like something that actually benefits the community?
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Post by trailboss on Jun 9, 2019 18:48:19 GMT -5
What a strange thing to sue somebody over. Don't know if its city or county, but don't they have better things to spend their money on? Like something that actually benefits the community? The HOA/ Control mentality often lives on in local elected officials...big fish, little pond.
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Post by Scott W on Jun 9, 2019 19:01:31 GMT -5
Right Charlie, you didn’t have to serve to love your Country, waveing the Flag is a personal thing and critizeing that action to me is a lack of class. Agreed good sir!
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Post by exbenedict on Jun 9, 2019 23:25:39 GMT -5
Bigger flag doesn't automatically equals patriotism. Exactly. Also, it should be noted that the city isn't saying they can't fly an American flag, it just needs to within city ordinance parameters. Those exist for a reason.
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Post by crapgame on Jun 10, 2019 8:19:43 GMT -5
Is there an ordanince limiting the number of flags?? then by all means stay within the towns limit..just flay MANY!
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jun 10, 2019 9:54:48 GMT -5
Right Charlie, you didn’t have to serve to love your Country, waveing the Flag is a personal thing and critizeing that action to me is a lack of class. The criticism isn't about flying the flag, it's about possibly reducing it to a sales tool. There's a difference. In the Castro, after the city council banned public nudity, men complied by wearing sandals and a wrapper around their johnsons printed with the Stars and Stripes. Brings a whole new meaning to waving the flag.
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