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Post by simnettpratt on Jun 14, 2019 10:26:43 GMT -5
I just found out what the 'Army' in Army Mount pipes means. A lot of you will know this, I'm posting for those that didn't, like me.  From pipesandcigars: These pipes don’t have a regular tenon, the stem tapers down to fit inside the shank. So why is it called an army-mount? With most pipes, you shouldn’t take them apart while warm, but the tapered fitting lets you disassemble the pipe at any time, which is a big advantage when you have to jump into action. So there you go; I didn't know that. Also, you'll notice pipesandcigars has a 17.75% sale on, for the Army's birthday today, which was founded in 1775. |
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Post by elric on Jun 14, 2019 10:34:41 GMT -5
And now I know. Thanks.
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Post by sperrytops on Jun 14, 2019 15:36:01 GMT -5
Great info, thanks.
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Post by puffy on Jun 14, 2019 19:25:36 GMT -5
If I could go back and start over It's the only stem I would buy.At least I would only buy pipes that I could convert..I love them.
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Post by monbla256 on Jun 14, 2019 23:37:12 GMT -5
So why are Army Mount pipes called Army Mount? You don't say where the term came from and why these pipes were called such. 
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Post by simnettpratt on Jun 15, 2019 0:29:14 GMT -5
I put the answer right below the picture, and it said:
From pipesandcigars: These pipes don’t have a regular tenon, the stem tapers down to fit inside the shank. So why is it called an army-mount? With most pipes, you shouldn’t take them apart while warm, but the tapered fitting lets you disassemble the pipe at any time, which is a big advantage when you have to jump into action.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jun 15, 2019 13:46:26 GMT -5
The local lore is that a soldier in South Africa or WWI, depending on who is telling the story, used a spent shell casing to repair his cracked pipe. Soldiers noticed how you could take the pipe apart while hot without cracking. This was due to the metal mount. Back in those days, British soldiers often received rations of basic smoking pipes and tobacco. The British army supposedly began to issue pipes with the mount. Anyway, this is how it was told to me by very many people, I don't know how much of it is really accurate. Does anyone have a copy of Alfred Dunhill's book? I imagine theres probably something on the subject there.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 16, 2019 10:38:44 GMT -5
Thanks for that.
I knew about the taper and the fact that there was no need to wait for it to cool before dismantling, but I never knew why.
I always thought it was for impatient people who didn't want to wait before cleaning their pipe. Now I know better.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 16, 2019 17:14:38 GMT -5
It's called an Army Mount because the Navy Flakes............. Ok,,,,,I'll go sit in me corner.....  |
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Post by chasingembers on Jun 16, 2019 22:43:40 GMT -5
The local lore is that a soldier in South Africa or WWI, depending on who is telling the story, used a spent shell casing to repair his cracked pipe. Soldiers noticed how you could take the pipe apart while hot without cracking. This was due to the metal mount. Back in those days, British soldiers often received rations of basic smoking pipes and tobacco. The British army supposedly began to issue pipes with the mount. Anyway, this is how it was told to me by very many people, I don't know how much of it is really accurate. Does anyone have a copy of Alfred Dunhill's book? I imagine theres probably something on the subject there. That's the version I've always heard. Makes more sense that way as to why the military or army mount name. |
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Post by chasingembers on Jun 16, 2019 22:49:07 GMT -5
As far as the tapered stem and metal shank end cap preventing the shank from cracking? That's not exactly true.  |
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Post by pappyjoe on Jun 17, 2019 7:09:38 GMT -5
Just to be nitpicky....
After the Revolutionary War, the Congress of the Confederation created the United States Army on 3 June 1784 to replace the disbanded Continental Army.
The logic behind the Army claiming it was established in 1775 is, "Oh! We just gave everyone in the Continental Army a vacation and decided to rename the service the U.S. Army."
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Post by joeman on Jun 17, 2019 9:50:55 GMT -5
As far as the tapered stem and metal shank end cap preventing the shank from cracking? That's not exactly true. I've got two army mounts cracked just like this. I'll easily remedy it, but yep, it happens. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jun 17, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -5
It supposedly fortifies it. Thats what AMs are famous for, you can clean them during your smoke, if needed. I think ALL PIPES can crack/chip/etc, if put under the right amount of stress.
It would be really interesting to know all the exact details of the Army Mount story.
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Post by Baboo on Jun 17, 2019 11:15:19 GMT -5
As far as the tapered stem and metal shank end cap preventing the shank from cracking? That's not exactly true. Still perfectly smokable, and an easy patch-graft can be done from the inside without removing the ring. Army mounts are my first choice when pipe shopping - I just think they look great! |
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Post by Mac on Jun 17, 2019 12:12:56 GMT -5
I also prefer the shell casing theory. And I am not a believer that it's harmful to remove the stem from a warm pipe if done carefully, and replaced within a few minutes.
Re: The crack in ember's illustration. Would patching it even be necessary? Looks like it dried out significantly, and the briar would probably expand a bit to partially close the gap after smoking a few times.
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Post by chasingembers on Jun 17, 2019 12:36:35 GMT -5
I also prefer the shell casing theory. And I am not a believer that it's harmful to remove the stem from a warm pipe if done carefully, and replaced within a few minutes. Re: The crack in ember's illustration. Would patching it even be necessary? Looks like it dried out significantly, and the briar would probably expand a bit to partially close the gap after smoking a few times. It was like that when I purchased it new a few years back. It gets regularly smoked, but the gap remains the same. |
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Post by Baboo on Jun 17, 2019 12:39:34 GMT -5
I also prefer the shell casing theory. And I am not a believer that it's harmful to remove the stem from a warm pipe if done carefully, and replaced within a few minutes. Re: The crack in ember's illustration. Would patching it even be necessary? Looks like it dried out significantly, and the briar would probably expand a bit to partially close the gap after smoking a few times. If it were mine to remedy, i think id just rub in a beeswax filler and coat the rest of the inner shaft with some also. Chap Stick works great for easy-twist stem insert and removal. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jun 17, 2019 13:09:23 GMT -5
As far as the tapered stem and metal shank end cap preventing the shank from cracking? That's not exactly true.
Looks like it's working to me.
Stem's still tight and you're still smoking it!
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jun 17, 2019 13:12:20 GMT -5
re: shell casings -- the story can be apocryphal, and it can still be the correct explanation
If pipe guys have spent the last hundred years telling each other that metal-mounted pipes that use the entire stem circumference for friction fit are "army mount" because they were convenient for "army" purposes, that is the correct origin of the term, even if there was never a grain of truth in the story.
The story is clearly the origin of the term "Army mount" even if there was never a fellow repairing pipes with brass casings.
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Post by Mac on Jun 17, 2019 19:31:18 GMT -5
Well, my great great grandfather James MacSwivett said he invented the repair in the trenches at Kimberly during the second Boer war.
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