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Post by trailboss on Jun 28, 2019 22:32:16 GMT -5
gulfnews.com/uae/health/medwakh-smoking-more-harmful-than-cigarettes-1.64284225Since I am not familiar with that product: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MidwakhIn barbecuing, you want to stay away from using tree bark...it does nasty things to meat...you can use it on the initial firing, as you make a bed of coals, but it has to be consumed, in the white coals, you certainly never add bark during the smoking process...I would guess that middle easterners are a hearty bunch when consuming smoke and they are more prone to inhale it. If you travel to the middle east and see dokha, it might be wise to steer clear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 22:42:36 GMT -5
Interesting, Charlie. Thanks for posting this. I've never heard of Midwakh. You're probably correct that they inhale the stuff. Otherwise, that bark may simply be toxic.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 28, 2019 22:42:43 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 28, 2019 23:07:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 23:13:06 GMT -5
Sounds like a bad idea to "put that in your pipe and smoke it!" I agree. Doesn't exactly sound benign. |
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Post by kbareit on Jun 29, 2019 4:52:46 GMT -5
So when Tobaccapocalapse happens I shouldn't smoke my mulch?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 10:56:01 GMT -5
I had heard of it and thought it was some kind of dope.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 29, 2019 11:42:55 GMT -5
I had heard of it and thought it was some kind of dope. Traditionally is is smoked in a really small pipe, so it definitely gives that appearance also.  |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 29, 2019 13:39:58 GMT -5
The sad thing is, that the takeaway for the average reader of the first article does not make a distinction between pipe smoking regular tobacco and this concoction...they do mention it by name, but most people are going to generalize it, and take from the article pipe smoking= early grave ahead.
I would love to see a comprehensive study on different types of tobacco use, from an honest perspective letting the chips fall where they lay, but I know that is asking too much to handle for groups that have a vested interest in their grants and funding to come to a pre-determined conclusion. SNUS has widespread use in the Netherlands, and from what I have read, they have never found elevated cancer risks from users.
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Post by Darin on Jun 29, 2019 13:53:11 GMT -5
The sad thing is, that the takeaway for the average reader of the first article does not make a distinction between pipe smoking regular tobacco and this concoction...they do mention it by name, but most people are going to generalize it, and take from the article pipe smoking= early grave ahead. I would love to see a comprehensive study on different types of tobacco use, from an honest perspective letting the chips fall where they lay, but I know that is asking too much to handle for groups that have a vested interest in their grants and funding to come to a pre-determined conclusion. SNUS has widespread use in the Netherlands, and from what I have read, they have never found elevated cancer risks from users.
Snus has much lower TSNA's (the cancer causing molecules) than dip due to the way it's heated / fermented.
Snuff is also very low in TSNA's as is most air-cured pipe tobacco.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 29, 2019 14:10:29 GMT -5
That is good to know, thanks!
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 30, 2019 17:12:07 GMT -5
That is really interesting Charlie.
But are there not loads of cancer containing things in tobacco/tobacco smoke too?
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Post by trailboss on Jun 30, 2019 17:28:43 GMT -5
That is really interesting Charlie. But are there not loads of cancer containing things in tobacco/tobacco smoke too? I am no doctor or researcher for take it what it's worth, smoking period is probably not a good idea, and yes, pipe smokers have developed cancer, just my opinion though that drawing cigarette smoke into the lungs, by a one or two pack a day smoker poses far more of a risk than the two bowls I smoke per day....and m pipe tobacco has none of the "Only God And Phillip Morris knows" what is in cigarette tobacco. It wouldn't surprise me if they use a tree bark filler if it keeps people hooked. Pipe smokers generally live to be old farts....you get guys like Sante (Bambooshank) that pass away earlier than life expectancy, but his I believe is from military service. Guys working with other products back in the day, either on the civilian side, or military undoubtedly handled stuff that now would not pass muster...that person smokes, and voila!, that is the reason he died. Just a guess on my part, but I think it happens often. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 1, 2019 3:01:57 GMT -5
That is really interesting Charlie. But are there not loads of cancer containing things in tobacco/tobacco smoke too? I am no doctor or researcher for take it what it's worth, smoking period is probably not a good idea, and yes, pipe smokers have developed cancer, just my opinion though that drawing cigarette smoke into the lungs, by a one or two pack a day smoker poses far more of a risk than the two bowls I smoke per day....and m pipe tobacco has none of the "Only God And Phillip Morris knows" what is in cigarette tobacco. It wouldn't surprise me if they use a tree bark filler if it keeps people hooked. Pipe smokers generally live to be old farts....you get guys like Sante (Bambooshank) that pass away earlier than life expectancy, but his I believe is from military service. Guys working with other products back in the day, either on the civilian side, or military undoubtedly handled stuff that now would not pass muster...that person smokes, and voila!, that is the reason he died. Just a guess on my part, but I think it happens often. I think you're right on many levels, Charlie. And I've had the same thought... My wife tells me that she doesn't want me getting lung cancer from pipe smoking (even though I tell her I don't inhale so the risk is reduced). However, what I tell her is that i was working with chemicals for many years, breathing in the fumes on a daily basis - so if I get lung cancer, it will more likely be because of that. It's more than likely NOT going to be because of smoking a pipe on average 3-4 times a month. But the minute smoking is mentioned, there's a link made. It's almost like it's the easy way out... 'Oh, they smoke? Well, that's obviously the reason for their death. I don't need to investigate anymore.' 'You don't think the gun-shot had anything to do with it?' 'No, it was the smoking.' |
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Post by elric on Jul 1, 2019 3:53:22 GMT -5
That is really interesting Charlie. But are there not loads of cancer containing things in tobacco/tobacco smoke too? From my research I found that tailor-made cigarettes have a staggering 300+ added chemicals, some of which are addictive. This is why a cig smoker will not be satisfied with a RYO. Pipe tobacco has no added chemicals. Aromatics are usually cased with natural flavourings such as honey or rum. A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that a pipe smoker who inhales, has the same life expectancy as a non-smoker. A pipe smoker who does not inhale, has a life expectancy three years beyond a non-smoker. Says a lot really. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 1, 2019 4:12:12 GMT -5
That is really interesting Charlie. But are there not loads of cancer containing things in tobacco/tobacco smoke too? From my research I found that tailor-made cigarettes have a staggering 300+ added chemicals, some of which are addictive. This is why a cig smoker will not be satisfied with a RYO. Pipe tobacco has no added chemicals. Aromatics are usually cased with natural flavourings such as honey or rum. A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that a pipe smoker who inhales, has the same life expectancy as a non-smoker. A pipe smoker who does not inhale, has a life expectancy three years beyond a non-smoker. Says a lot really. True, but that report was in the 60s. More recent studies don't have the same statistics....However, we are consuming many other chemicals etc. (e.g. aspartame) along with our smoke which can play a role too. I think it's impossible to have a proper control in these studies and so they are flawed. |
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Post by kbareit on Jul 1, 2019 5:16:53 GMT -5
Just like stated above, when my time is up smoking will be blamed. It doesn't matter that the many years I worked on a golf course all the chemicals I sprayed, one had mercury in it and I probably sprayed thousands of gallons of Roundup. When I did maintenance in factories I inhaled lots of lead while grinding paint so I could weld support beams and other things in repair of the equipment not to mention the fumes from welding itself. One factory for years sprayed a paint they called red lead. But I'm sure that smoking is what will get me in the end.
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Post by elric on Jul 1, 2019 9:32:41 GMT -5
From my research I found that tailor-made cigarettes have a staggering 300+ added chemicals, some of which are addictive. This is why a cig smoker will not be satisfied with a RYO. Pipe tobacco has no added chemicals. Aromatics are usually cased with natural flavourings such as honey or rum. A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that a pipe smoker who inhales, has the same life expectancy as a non-smoker. A pipe smoker who does not inhale, has a life expectancy three years beyond a non-smoker. Says a lot really. True, but that report was in the 60s. More recent studies don't have the same statistics....However, we are consuming many other chemicals etc. (e.g. aspartame) along with our smoke which can play a role too. I think it's impossible to have a proper control in these studies and so they are flawed. Yes it was. 1963 IIRC. When there was a LOT more pipe smokers. As smoking rates in general decline, cancer rates rise. Aspartame is a good example; it's toxic crap. Processed foods. Hydrogenated veg oils. Even sunblock that's supposed to protect us against skin cancer has been linked to internal cancers. I could go on & on. Cigarettes are nasty because of the added chemicals. The Amish smoke homegrown tobacco in pipes yet they've got lower rates of cancer than regular society. My mothers an RN. It wouldn't matter what, smoking was the obvious cause. The rest of the family were non-smokers & caught the same virus but nuh, I didn't catch it from them, I got it because I smoked. Sprained ankle? Yep, it's the cigarettes fault. I've got Buergers disease. 'You're going to be dead within 2-3 years anyway but we insist you stop smoking none-the-less.' I was told. Nineteen years later I'm still here while the patients who quit, or at least tried, all died. Off course it has nothing to do with the pHarmaceuticals that they took & that I rejected. [sarcasm] I've looked after myself since I was 15yo. I'm not about to disregard what I think is right for me because a doctor said otherwise. Especially not doctors who've been wrong time & time again. Puffing on a pipe brings me pleasure. In fact it's one of my few remaining pleasures. It relaxes me & scratches an itch. Self denial is just a different form of self flagellation. Bugger that. I'll go to the Light clutching my pipe with no regrets. So be it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 1, 2019 11:11:17 GMT -5
I am guessing that the midwakh isn't available in a light vanilla honey aro?
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 1, 2019 12:26:36 GMT -5
I am guessing that the midwakh isn't available in a light vanilla honey aro? Lol. If it is, I'm in. |
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