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Post by trailboss on Jul 27, 2019 1:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by chasingembers on Jul 27, 2019 1:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Jul 27, 2019 1:25:13 GMT -5
That is the way termites operate.
I posted the article because as of late, there is a spiked increase on reporting of the goals.
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Post by chasingembers on Jul 27, 2019 1:25:55 GMT -5
That is the way termites operate. Bingo.👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 2:01:48 GMT -5
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Post by zambini on Jul 27, 2019 8:11:19 GMT -5
I don't know how much you can trust The Sun.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 27, 2019 8:57:28 GMT -5
I don't know how much you can trust The Sun. Wow, I guess it isn’t true then. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 10:38:29 GMT -5
Sir Walter Raleigh is spinning in his grave!
I wonder if his head spins in sync with the rest of his body?
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Post by zambini on Jul 27, 2019 11:23:09 GMT -5
I don't know how much you can trust The Sun. Wow, I guess it isn’t true then. Here are a few less sensationalised (by degrees) accounts of the Green Paper leak:
The gist seems to be that the Health Minister pledged to raise life expectancy by up to 5 years on average without raising the current rate of health spending increases. One of his proposals is to shift the cost of the quit smoking campaign from the NHS to companies. They are proposing that a mix of industry regulatory and self regulatory action could lower smoking rates from 15% to 12% by 2022 and 0% by 2030 but they aren't claiming that the Green Paper will have an out and out ban as of today (they're releasing it sometime next week). As for industry numbers, vaping is rising as rates of new cigarette smokers are decreasing.
I agree with you that this is part of a worrying trend for smokers, and thank you for keeping us informed on the issue, but I don't think the Sun offered a reasoned editorial line.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 27, 2019 11:58:23 GMT -5
Yea, the sun isn't terribly reliable when it comes to the truth. I heard this before, but I agree with zambini. Still, I'm cellaring as much as I can while I can. |
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Post by chasingembers on Jul 27, 2019 12:15:43 GMT -5
History has taught them a great deal. Historical bans such as those listed in the link and prohibition were immediately put into play. Modern times have seen decades of anti tobacco promotions and literature with each progressive generation bearing fewer tobacco users. This has become more of a careful weeding out with far fewer individuals to protest when an all out ban is put into place. |
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Post by puffy on Jul 27, 2019 12:21:54 GMT -5
You can eat an Elephant a bite at a time if you have enough time..The anti's feel that if they take small steps at a time given enough time they will rid society of us evil doers..Rising prices are helping their cause.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 17:35:58 GMT -5
Wow, I guess it isn’t true then. Here are a few less sensationalised (by degrees) accounts of the Green Paper leak:
The gist seems to be that the Health Minister pledged to raise life expectancy by up to 5 years on average without raising the current rate of health spending increases. One of his proposals is to shift the cost of the quit smoking campaign from the NHS to companies. They are proposing that a mix of industry regulatory and self regulatory action could lower smoking rates from 15% to 12% by 2022 and 0% by 2030 but they aren't claiming that the Green Paper will have an out and out ban as of today (they're releasing it sometime next week). As for industry numbers, vaping is rising as rates of new cigarette smokers are decreasing.
I agree with you that this is part of a worrying trend for smokers, and thank you for keeping us informed on the issue, but I don't think the Sun offered a reasoned editorial line.
And why would an Englishman want to live another 5 years? |
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Post by BrunoT on Jul 27, 2019 18:04:34 GMT -5
I’m of the opinion that these days anything anti-tobacco has become a safe bet to steer the discussion away from greater problems when it comes to health.
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Post by instymp on Jul 27, 2019 18:25:34 GMT -5
And?? Whats surprising about this?
Surprised that certain states in the USA didn't beat them to the post.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 27, 2019 18:43:17 GMT -5
I saw it on a CNN chiron, while at a business yesterday, and searched using “Uk tobacco ban 2030” and saw multiple traditional news sites, Uk independent, I think the telegraph, Guardian etc... I just happened to grab the one at the top of the fold.
Considering the gist of what the proposals are, and the quotes of those that are leading the charge, I don’t see any sensationalism taking place. It is extremely radical actions to even propose such notions.
It is sad that on either side of the pond, we have been in the slowly heated pot for so long, that people wanting to strip individual liberties at the production level and the consumption level, that hardly an eyebrow is raised of most people.
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Post by zambini on Jul 27, 2019 19:35:27 GMT -5
Here are a few less sensationalised (by degrees) accounts of the Green Paper leak:
The gist seems to be that the Health Minister pledged to raise life expectancy by up to 5 years on average without raising the current rate of health spending increases. One of his proposals is to shift the cost of the quit smoking campaign from the NHS to companies. They are proposing that a mix of industry regulatory and self regulatory action could lower smoking rates from 15% to 12% by 2022 and 0% by 2030 but they aren't claiming that the Green Paper will have an out and out ban as of today (they're releasing it sometime next week). As for industry numbers, vaping is rising as rates of new cigarette smokers are decreasing.
I agree with you that this is part of a worrying trend for smokers, and thank you for keeping us informed on the issue, but I don't think the Sun offered a reasoned editorial line.
And why would an Englishman want to live another 5 years? steak and kidney pie, I guess. |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 27, 2019 20:00:37 GMT -5
And?? Whats surprising about this? Surprised that certain states in the USA didn't beat them to the post. One by one, it takes a village..... Beverly Hills is first, an exception for the uber-wealthy though. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 21:04:45 GMT -5
And why would an Englishman want to live another 5 years? steak and kidney pie, I guess. Exactomindo! 😎👍🤠 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 27, 2019 21:07:47 GMT -5
And?? Whats surprising about this? Surprised that certain states in the USA didn't beat them to the post. One by one, it takes a village..... Beverly Hills is first, an exception for the uber-wealthy though. Beverly Hills let's you smoke a cigar if you have a hospital wing with your name on it? PS: That was cruel to mention a kidney pie. You know that I only have one! PPS:Kidding. It's good to see you again. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 11:22:14 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Jul 28, 2019 13:34:26 GMT -5
No nothing objectionable at all... "Finish the job" means that they do not want to stop until every consumer of tobacco is denied the opportunity to enjoy tobacco, not to mention putting the few remaining tobacco and snuff makers, and tobacco stores out of business. You should rid yourself of all tobacco and accessories, you obviously agree that people like this know what is best for you...you are hypocritical if you continue to smoke. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 28, 2019 13:48:05 GMT -5
I think eliminating cigarette smoking in the UK is a laudable goal.
The Green paper makes it very clear that they are aware that simply prohibiting the sale of cigarettes is not feasible or even desirable.
Y’all are getting very worried about.. nothing.
There is no proposed measure to do anything that would harm premium tobacco, nor any thing that sounds like a bad idea.
This is a perfectly reasonable paper with a few good ideas in it.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 28, 2019 13:54:07 GMT -5
I am not worrrying about anything...just voicing an opinion on the nonsense.
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 29, 2019 12:59:30 GMT -5
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Jul 29, 2019 14:59:57 GMT -5
Did you even bother to read the paper, or just skip to freaking out? Because there's no "there," there. It's all very unobjectionable material. |
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Post by qmechanics on Jul 30, 2019 1:29:39 GMT -5
Did you even bother to read the paper, or just skip to freaking out? Because there's no "there," there. It's all very unobjectionable material. Given the current set of circumstances, it is understandable if one thinks there might be an end game to all of this. Keep in mind, typically all smokers are looked upon as the same by said organizations. No reason to panic I agree (In general, panic is unproductive unless it has a reasonable foundation, properly focused and channeled into action. On the one hand,looking solely at the information in the articles, I believe some of the thoughts exhibited here are a bit premature (noting actions are being taken, especially in America (I readily admit that I am not as aware of European activism on this subject.) to try to stem the tide.). On the other hand, if one looks at the entire picture, there are issues that are clearly problematic. Is the thread's title misleading? An argument can be made that it is. Is there a reason to be concerned? I can understand why some folks are. How many "reasonable" events have to occur before the noose is around one's neck, is a question to consider (rhetorical as it might be). Though you make interesting and sometimes valid points, so far I have not seen you write much in support or in sympathy for the fear others face or in concern about smokers' rights and rarely (at least from what I have read)do you protest a move the governments' makes. I find this fascinating as well, especially considering the type of forum this is. |
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Post by briarbuck on Jul 30, 2019 9:22:47 GMT -5
As they say, death by a thousand cuts. It's ONLY a dollar (or 5 or 10) don't you care about the children? Straw man at best.
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Post by stone on Jul 30, 2019 9:42:39 GMT -5
Why hasn't someone organized a special interest group, made up of all of us cigar and pipe smokers, to fight the good fight? I honestly see a big difference between boutique smoking (cigars and pipes) and addictive cigarette smoking....probably because I never smoked cigarettes but someone needs to fight back in massive numbers.
If it's about whether or not you care about your children, someone should be lobbying to eliminate politicians and celebrities.
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Post by qmechanics on Jul 31, 2019 0:39:17 GMT -5
Why hasn't someone organized a special interest group, made up of all of us cigar and pipe smokers, to fight the good fight? I honestly see a big difference between boutique smoking (cigars and pipes) and addictive cigarette smoking....probably because I never smoked cigarettes but someone needs to fight back in massive numbers. If it's about whether or not you care about your children, someone should be lobbying to eliminate politicians and celebrities. As to the first question, such groups exist.. One organization is the Cigar Rights of America and others which cover the same, different and broader areas of interest sponsored by tobacco companies, retail and similar interest groups. They are fighting in the courts and lobbying in Congress for support. |
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