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Post by trailboss on Jul 28, 2019 23:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by puffy on Jul 29, 2019 9:33:36 GMT -5
All doctor's offices and hospitals around these parts are smoke free..It wasn't always that way,but it is now..Years ago my wife was in a hospital.Her doctor would sit on the edge of her bed and they would smoke together..That would be a major crime these days..In fact I don't know any place where I live that smoking inside is allowed.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 29, 2019 9:40:31 GMT -5
All hospitals here are smoke free. There are signs everywhere, but people are still smoking away in the front entrances.
I don't see how third-hand smoke can be a health-risk though.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 29, 2019 10:32:04 GMT -5
As we seen lately, 10 lies beats the truth every time. Especially if a conspiracy keeps the truth from being heard. |
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Post by Wolfman on Jul 29, 2019 10:32:26 GMT -5
I remember my dad telling me how it was common to see a woman smoking in the hospital room after giving birth. Sometimes with her doctor. Imagine the hysteria if that were to happen today? The poor mom would be arrested and CPS would take the kid.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 29, 2019 10:33:19 GMT -5
All hospitals here are smoke free. There are signs everywhere, but people are still smoking away in the front entrances. I don't see how third-hand smoke can be a health-risk though. IMHO, everyone on your island has God given right to smoke a pipe! |
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Post by rmb on Jul 29, 2019 11:06:20 GMT -5
The hell is third hand smoke?!
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 29, 2019 11:12:36 GMT -5
The hell is third hand smoke?! it's either second hand smoke being breached out and then in by someone else, or smoke on clothing. That's all I can think of that it could be. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 29, 2019 11:12:46 GMT -5
All hospitals here are smoke free. There are signs everywhere, but people are still smoking away in the front entrances. I don't see how third-hand smoke can be a health-risk though. IMHO, everyone on your island has God given right to smoke a pipe! Amen to that. |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2019 11:15:37 GMT -5
I just think that it is pretty lame to impose restrictions on Veterans, when contractually they cannot do the same for the workers. Why change the policy so that those that fought the wars are held to a different standard than a person that is a janitor?
If they want to make the campus non smoking, wait not until it can contractually be done...
A lot of old timers I reckon will tell them to pound sand.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2019 11:16:41 GMT -5
The hell is third hand smoke?! It is a new invention, they are probably working on fourth hand smoke right now. |
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Post by Wolfman on Jul 29, 2019 11:25:40 GMT -5
I just think that it is pretty lame to impose restrictions on Veterans, when contractually they cannot do the same for the workers. Why change the policy so that those that fought the wars are held to a different standard than a person that is a janitor? If they want to make the campus non smoking, wait not until it can contractually be done... A lot of old timers I reckon will tell them to pound sand. So it’s ok to send someone overseas to die for freedom. Then when they get home, they can’t smoke? Ugh |
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Post by puffy on Jul 29, 2019 11:41:33 GMT -5
Send them to risk their lives in a war and when they get back home needing medical help tell them that smoking is bad for their health.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 29, 2019 11:45:26 GMT -5
See...ya gotta realize with the all new volunteer Army...you sign up it is your responsibility to get home alive and in one piece...down the road they will be saying you gotta pay for your own health insurance when you sign up for the Armed Forces...after all it was your decision to go to war.....F*&#kers!
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 29, 2019 12:20:55 GMT -5
When a ban or law includes an exemption for themselves, that tells you what they think of that law.
Why isn't it 'veterans get to smoke, employees don't'?
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Post by PipeSteader on Aug 1, 2019 10:13:22 GMT -5
"does not apply to employees, the agency clarified."
I guess the 'dangers of second and third hand smoke (whatever that is) don't exist when a faculty member smokes. Only when it's the Veteran is the smoke dangerous.
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In all seriousness, I am sick of the nanny state telling me what is good for me. It has no problem with not having warning labels on alcohol or worrying how it affects your body. It's all just what's socially acceptable these days rather than logic.
Or what about the missing label on coffee to correspond with the labeling of tobacco?
"This product contains caffeine. Caffeine is an addictive substance."
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 1, 2019 11:41:03 GMT -5
"does not apply to employees, the agency clarified."
I guess the 'dangers of second and third hand smoke (whatever that is) don't exist when a faculty member smokes. Only when it's the Veteran is the smoke dangerous.
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In all seriousness, I am sick of the nanny state telling me what is good for me. It has no problem with not having warning labels on alcohol or worrying how it affects your body. It's all just what's socially acceptable these days rather than logic.
Or what about the missing label on coffee to correspond with the labeling of tobacco?
"This product contains caffeine. Caffeine is an addictive substance."
S H I T don't give them any ideas....they have their collective noses up our a s s es already. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 13:42:14 GMT -5
I have no problem with hospitals being no smoking zones. Besides the health factor there's the fire, smoke ash and cigarette butts. I have seen my BIL and MIL drag their IVs out to the smoking areas the day before they died. I am sure that the last cigarette didn't make them any worse,but it is still silly. The VA should stop the health care workers from smoking on hospital premises too. They are plenty of better places to smoke and if you can't get through a shift without a cigarette, nicotine patches are legal everywhere. If they don't work for you then you need professional help.
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Post by Darin on Aug 1, 2019 13:44:36 GMT -5
I have no problem with hospitals being no smoking zones. Besides the health factor there's the fire, smoke ash and cigarette butts. I have seen my BIL and MIL drag their IVs out to the smoking areas the day before they died. I am sure that the last cigarette didn't make them any worse,but it is still silly. The VA should stop the health care workers from smoking on hospital premises too. They are plenty of better places to smoke and if you can't get through a shift without a cigarette, nicotine patches are legal everywhere. If they don't work for you then you need professional help. Snuff ... they need snuff!!  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 13:53:21 GMT -5
I have no problem with hospitals being no smoking zones. Besides the health factor there's the fire, smoke ash and cigarette butts. I have seen my BIL and MIL drag their IVs out to the smoking areas the day before they died. I am sure that the last cigarette didn't make them any worse,but it is still silly. The VA should stop the health care workers from smoking on hospital premises too. They are plenty of better places to smoke and if you can't get through a shift without a cigarette, nicotine patches are legal everywhere. If they don't work for you then you need professional help. Snuff ... they need snuff!! NO! I was traumatized as a child by my aunts with their nasty brown lips, dripping with Garrett Snuff juice and their spit cans sitting all over the place. 🤤😨🙊 |
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Post by simnettpratt on Aug 1, 2019 14:22:10 GMT -5
That's chew; Darin said snuff. It's finely ground tobacco, usually flavored that you sniff up your nose. It's like a scented candle, or personal potpourri that doesn't stink up the room. No chewing or spitting.
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Post by Darin on Aug 1, 2019 14:37:24 GMT -5
Yep ... discreet and, mostly, undetected by those around you. I just used some while standing right here in the Blood Bank! |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 1, 2019 16:33:26 GMT -5
Snuffffff... SNUFFFFFF!!!
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 16:44:17 GMT -5
That's chew; Darin said snuff. It's finely ground tobacco, usually flavored that you sniff up your nose. It's like a scented candle, or personal potpourri that doesn't stink up the room. No chewing or spitting. My dear, they were my aunts and my childhood. It was Garrett Snuff and they put it in their lower lip. It was their husband, my uncles who chewed Red Man. I know the difference because outside I had to watch my step and dodge their streams. |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 1, 2019 17:20:44 GMT -5
That's chew; Darin said snuff. It's finely ground tobacco, usually flavored that you sniff up your nose. It's like a scented candle, or personal potpourri that doesn't stink up the room. No chewing or spitting. My dear, they were my aunts and my childhood. It was Garrett Snuff and they put it in their lower lip. It was their husband, my uncles who chewed Red Man. I know the difference because outside I had to watch my step and dodge their streams. You had it easy, Ron!  |
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Post by kbareit on Aug 1, 2019 18:04:02 GMT -5
All our local hospitals do not permit smoking on the premise and went as far as if you smoked you were forced to quit or be fired. They were kind enough to offer free smoking cessation though.  A lot of senior care facilities around here are doing the same. As far as the VA allowing employee's to smoke but not the patients is a lot of BS. It's either all or none but in all seriousness the patients should be allowed to smoke in the facility. Our freedom is the reason they are there and they should be allowed to smoke if they want. |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 1, 2019 18:32:07 GMT -5
Hell, bullets, bombs, missiles are a heck of a lot more deadlier....if these guys and gals are able to face that, they should be free to engage in whatever is legally allowed...if it ends in an earlier demise for them, that is their choice...otherwise we end up on the path of dietary restrictions, alcohol consumption restrictions, risky actions....where does it all end?
Smoking a legal product, is defending the constitution against domestic enemies.
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is a medical and safety risk. The policy prohibits cigarettes, cigars, pipes, vape pens and e-cigarettes.
is a medical and safety risk. The policy prohibits cigarettes, cigars, pipes, vape pens and e-cigarettes.
A lot of senior care facilities around here are doing the same. 