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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 6, 2019 15:59:22 GMT -5
Earlier today I ordered Germain's Virginia goldleaf.
Five minutes ago, I remembered that some people get tongue bite from Virginias. I then thought about the St Bruno flake that I bought last month, and wondered what leaf is in that, since it gives me tongue bite.
Lo and behold... Virginia.
I might be in for a rough ride with my most recent purchase.
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Post by puffy on Aug 6, 2019 16:16:45 GMT -5
I can smoke a bit of Virginia in blends,but not a lot,and definitely not straight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 16:21:48 GMT -5
Virginia makes me sneeze sometimes and is a tongue stinger for me, straight.
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Post by Baboo on Aug 6, 2019 16:31:59 GMT -5
Try moderating your puffing cadence and lighten up on the draw... might help. Also, first light and follow-ups should have your flame well above the load/not touching... while hovering the flame draw it down lightly so as not to char and burn out the leaf... let the embers do the work. How the horse breaks out of the gate can determine the race...
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 6, 2019 16:44:18 GMT -5
Try moderating your puffing cadence and lighten up on the draw... might help. Also, first light and follow-ups should have your flame well above the load/not touching... while hovering the flame draw it down lightly so as not to char and burn out the leaf... let the embers do the work. How the horse breaks out of the gate can determine the race... That is probably the best advice on VA's that I've read. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 6, 2019 17:02:33 GMT -5
Try moderating your puffing cadence and lighten up on the draw... might help. Also, first light and follow-ups should have your flame well above the load/not touching... while hovering the flame draw it down lightly so as not to char and burn out the leaf... let the embers do the work. How the horse breaks out of the gate can determine the race... Thanks for that. I'll try it when it arrives tomorrow. |
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Post by Mac on Aug 6, 2019 17:15:51 GMT -5
Some say Red Virginias are the culprit.
I think most of my English blends have Virginias in them, but not so much it bites.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 6, 2019 17:17:49 GMT -5
after 5 years age it gets better, or your tongue gets better...one of the two is correct...maybe both.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 6, 2019 17:31:56 GMT -5
Gargle with baking soda before you light up! Or, so I hear.
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Post by Spartacus on Aug 6, 2019 18:17:02 GMT -5
Gargle with baking soda before you light up! Or, so I hear. Now Jason... I don't think that is right. Gargle with some cinnamon and caynne pepper mixed in tequila. Or, so I heard. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 6, 2019 18:35:13 GMT -5
Gargle with baking soda before you light up! Or, so I hear. Now Jason... I don't think that is right. Gargle with some cinnamon and caynne pepper mixed in tequila. Or, so I heard. I'm serious! I can't find where I read it, but it supposedly changes your mouth pH. It was relating to Burley, though, so it might not work with Virginias. Your cinnamon/cayenne/tequila remedy may help with a hangover. |
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 6, 2019 18:59:41 GMT -5
Try moderating your puffing cadence and lighten up on the draw... might help. Also, first light and follow-ups should have your flame well above the load/not touching... while hovering the flame draw it down lightly so as not to char and burn out the leaf... let the embers do the work. How the horse breaks out of the gate can determine the race... Hi Baboo gave a good summary statement as to how one should approach any number of "Virginia" blends. One point to add, among others , is to give "Virginia" blends ample drying time. This is not uncommon advice for any blend, that arrive too moist, but imperative for many "Virginia" blends. One difference between the others and a number of "Virginia" blends is there is a greater chance that drying the tobacco will save you a ride to the hospital.  Well I am joking, in part (I would not bet against trips to the hospital, for tongue bight/burn, happening from time to time.) and think it is quite true that adding a good head of steam to the "Virginia" mix does little to prohibit tongue bite The Legend Lover warning statement: Q is trying to state that heated water produces steam which promotes tongue bite. Virginia sugars etc, burning and steam can provide a more dynamic experience (tongue bite) then what might be encountered individually or with other blends.
These comments are provided for those who do not see the humor in the above statements. If you have any questions or wish to donate, please write the Legend Lover message hot line. He will explain all the details... Happy smoking  |
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Post by peteguy on Aug 6, 2019 19:09:50 GMT -5
Moisture level would be my guess. VA's, especially flakes, seem like a sponge. Let it dry twice as long as you normally would for a start.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 6, 2019 19:16:18 GMT -5
I wish that early on I would have listened when people said "dry more than you think you need to."
Dry more, pack less, happy smokes
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Post by elric on Aug 6, 2019 19:31:46 GMT -5
I've only tried a few straight Virginia blends. One that I can highly recommend, with no bite [which I'm susceptible to] is Hearth and Home Marble Kake.
I'd ordered 2 ounces as I was concerned about possible bite but since smoking it I now wish that I'd ordered a pound.
Suits my tastes perfectly [Mild-medium with low nicotine]
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Post by BrunoT on Aug 7, 2019 11:45:03 GMT -5
Some good reminders in this thread. One of my favorite summertime smokes is the Virginia Golden Flake from Pfeifen Huber, and the guys are spot on with the drying time. I usually take it out in the morning and get around to smoke it after lunch... Prefer a wide, shallower bowl.
I also let it die and relight later if I puffed more frequently at any given moment, but I tend to do that a lot in general and especially with flakes: I love the taste and coolness of the first draw.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 7, 2019 12:02:17 GMT -5
I can't get any flavor from Virginias. They are like smoking hot air or steam depending on how moist they are. I get tongue bite from puffing too hard trying to get some taste out of them. That's straight Virginias, if they are part of a blend or the base of an aro, not so much.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 7, 2019 12:08:11 GMT -5
I can't get any flavor from Virginias. They are like smoking hot air or steam depending on how moist they are. I get tongue bite from puffing too hard trying to get some taste out of them. That's straight Virginias, if they are part of a blend or the base of an aro, not so much. I had my first bowl today. The tobacco smells like orange juice, which I might be mistaking as the lakeland in St Bruno flake. Not much taste, as Ron said...maybe it'll be good as a blending tobacco. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 7, 2019 12:10:35 GMT -5
Try moderating your puffing cadence and lighten up on the draw... might help. Also, first light and follow-ups should have your flame well above the load/not touching... while hovering the flame draw it down lightly so as not to char and burn out the leaf... let the embers do the work. How the horse breaks out of the gate can determine the race... That is probably the best advice on VA's that I've read. +1 |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 7, 2019 12:22:28 GMT -5
@legend Lover
Many VAs smell like orange juice to me as well. That and Juicy Fruit chewing gum.
I can get bit by VAs, but not as readily as with Cavendish, so I agree with the moisture being a big culprit. Not that I believe the steam is burning the tongue, but rather providing a means of delivery for whatever chemical is to blame.
Too bad they didn't make... like a breath spray, that nutralizes it chemically. Just hit your tongue with a squirt and smoke what you want. Haha. Get a tube free with proof of purchase of Captain Black Gold or Borkum Riff Cherry.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 7, 2019 12:28:11 GMT -5
Most of the straight Virginias I have tried smelled like Ketchup.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 7, 2019 12:33:46 GMT -5
Most of the straight Virginias I have tried smelled like Ketchup. I only ever got that with McClelland VAs, but it's all I could think of with them. Even their English blends- you could smell it on the Virginia they used. I swear they cased in vinegar. Which seems like a good idea to prevent mold. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 7, 2019 12:37:27 GMT -5
One thing I gotta say... It was wet. I think, of the 50g i ordered, 10g of that was water.
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Post by chasingembers on Aug 7, 2019 12:56:24 GMT -5
Smoke them bone dry.
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 7, 2019 13:13:16 GMT -5
Most of the straight Virginias I have tried smelled like Ketchup. I only ever got that with McClelland VAs, but it's all I could think of with them. Even their English blends- you could smell it on the Virginia they used. I swear they cased in vinegar. Which seems like a good idea to prevent mold. Have you stuck your nose in a bag of Sutliff 515?  |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 7, 2019 13:26:46 GMT -5
I only ever got that with McClelland VAs, but it's all I could think of with them. Even their English blends- you could smell it on the Virginia they used. I swear they cased in vinegar. Which seems like a good idea to prevent mold. Have you stuck your nose in a bag of Sutliff 515? I have not. Is it a tangy one? Haha |
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 7, 2019 13:42:36 GMT -5
Have you stuck your nose in a bag of Sutliff 515? I have not. Is it a tangy one? Haha Oh it is. Got a real vinegar thing going on. Its great on its own, great when stoved, amazing when pressed and not too bad stoved and pressed either. It will age beautifully and makes for a great blending component. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 13:47:34 GMT -5
For those prone to tongue bite, Biotene is a pipe smokers best friend. As an initial preventative, mid bowl or finish.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 7, 2019 14:06:10 GMT -5
For those prone to tongue bite, Biotene is a pipe smokers best friend. As an initial preventative, mid bowl or finish. Just had to give this a second thumbs up |
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Post by peteguy on Aug 7, 2019 17:19:56 GMT -5
Try a red or orange VA instead of a yellow. Red = sweet when it comes to Virginia's in my book. I know some others, Pease for example, do not agree with this but for me the red is where it is at.
I also understand that the top of the Virginia plant is milder and sweeter. I cant smoke MacBaren VA's - no clue if it is because of this or their mold prevention or what.
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Well I am joking, in part (I would not bet against trips to the hospital, for tongue bight/burn, happening from time to time.) and think it is quite true that adding a good head of steam to the "Virginia" mix does little to prohibit tongue bite 
