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Post by elric on Aug 13, 2019 21:27:50 GMT -5
Not sure if this is the correct place for this thread. If not, please move it to the appropriate sub-forum thanks mods.
My last dog I raised from a little pup. A Rotti who had really serious behavioural issues and the worst case of PICA I'd ever heard of. [It was so bad that I had to take him to toilet muzzled on lead with a choker collar every single time]
Rottii breeders kept saying that "Some Rotti's are like that. Give him time."
The most frustrating thing was that he was not stupid. As he was food motivated, he was easy to train. By 4mo he knew the basics; sit, drop, heel, come and would piss on command. He would even sit and wait with his dinner under his nose until I gave the command to eat.
None-the-less, he only obeyed if he felt like it or when I was holding a dried liver treat.
At 16mo he was 60kg, strong and really fit. [He jogged for 50 minutes every day]
He hurt my back so bad, by being stupid, lunging at a skink lizard while on the lead. I needed to go to hospital, so over three days I unsuccessfully tried to find a kennel that could accommodate his needs.
Over that time my health deteriorated further.
In April last year, Zagan was put to sleep. I spent over a week in hospital.
Although Zagan was a total pain in the arse, he was my pain in the arse. Having him put down was terribly upsetting. But, to be perfectly honest, it was also a bit of a relief.
Since then I regularly check pet rescue sites. Recently I made an inquiry about a German Shepherd, just out of curiosity.
As it turned out Wookie has issues due to neglect and needed an experienced owner. My inquiry sparked a flow of emails and phone calls from the rescue people.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if my health is up to taking on a medium/large dog.
Wookie has issues. He'd only known a kennel or yard his entire life. He'd never seen the inside of a home before. He's not been house trained.
He has not been given much affection or attention. He's had little to no training.
Two prospective adopters were bitten [idiots with no clue who were looking for a junk-yard dog] so his chances were diminishing.
The GS rescue people feared that he may have to be euthanised.
The thought of his circumstance played on my mind.
Last Friday I met Wookie. He didn't show me much interest but the rescue people thought it an excellent sign that I wasn't bitten, lol.
It's Winter here and nights at the foot of the Blue Mountains have been 0*C and lower lately.
I couldn't let him be euthanised without being given a chance so I agreed to foster him and see how it goes.
While with me he's being fed a 100% raw meaty bone diet, will be trained and exercised daily to put on some weight and condition. [He's 30kg. All his ribs are sticking out as are his hips]
On Monday Wookie recognised me and was pleased to see me [which was a pleasant surprise] and allowed me to handle him.
The poor boy was terribly restless the first evening when I brought him home and would not sit still. Being in a home for the first time everything was new to him. He continually 'patrolled', sussing out every little thing.
The rescue people advised to leave him outside for the first week at nights but it was so cold that I let him inside and played it by ear.
Although he ignored his big comfy bed and slept on the bare tiles at my front door, he did not make a noise all night. In the morning nothing was out of place.
Even better, he has not once tried to mark inside my home. In actual fact, he has not touched a single thing in my home. He's been very respectful.
Although he's only been here for two nights, he's already showing signs of becoming more relaxed.
He's not overly affectionate but when he gets up to do his 'patrol', he comes up to me for a quick pat. It's a reassurance thing I think.
He went to sleep last night at the front door again but this morning when I awoke he was on his big comfy bed that's in my bedroom.
Despite the fact that he bites and is extremely protective, he's shown me no aggression what-so-ever and he's actually quite a nice natured boy.
All he needed was some patience and given some space to figure things out at his pace.
He's not demanding in any way. He isn't a nuisance barker [In fact the only time I've heard him bark is when he's gone off at people who've come to my door. My goodness he's fierce] and really, he's been a perfect guest.
If things continue to go the way they are going, I may well adopt him for good.
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Post by dave g on Aug 14, 2019 0:47:08 GMT -5
Let’s see a picture of the new feller. That’s kind, taking on a rescue. I think with a little time you’ll have yourself a new best friend. I’ve had a shepherd for 12 years. They’re amazing smart dogs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 1:42:34 GMT -5
Sounds like your dog finally found his master. Good for you, Elric. I admire the heck out of people like you.
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Post by elric on Aug 14, 2019 3:56:54 GMT -5
Let’s see a picture of the new feller. That’s kind, taking on a rescue. I think with a little time you’ll have yourself a new best friend. I’ve had a shepherd for 12 years. They’re amazing smart dogs. If I knew how to upload pics I would. The system here is very different than other forums. [If anyone knows if there's a tutorial thread on how to upload pics I'd certainly appreciate a link] German Shepherds are one of my favourite breeds. Very intelligent dogs. I believe that dogs actually choose the owner. I'm not sure of the process but they size up a person rather quickly and decide whether they're okay or not. He bit the first two potential adopters but has shown me no aggression whatsoever. Wookie must be an excellent judge of character.  It's only day two and he already follows me like a shadow. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 14, 2019 4:04:05 GMT -5
You've done an admirable thing, elric. It looks like there's a bond forming already. I hope your health situation will allow for a more permanent setup - I would imagine it'll be hard to say goodbye already. As for posting photos...here are a few suggestions... thebriarpatchforum.com/thread/1483/post-photos |
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Post by elric on Aug 14, 2019 7:35:26 GMT -5
You've done an admirable thing, elric . It looks like there's a bond forming already. I hope your health situation will allow for a more permanent setup - I would imagine it'll be hard to say goodbye already. As for posting photos...here are a few suggestions... thebriarpatchforum.com/thread/1483/post-photosThank you Paddy. Yes it would be hard to give him up but my mindset is that I'm fostering. If he is re-homed I'll take on another 'problem' Shepherd to rehabilitate after I've had a break. But because there is a bond forming, I'm not sure if Wookie will be ok. He already gets anxious when I walk out the front door. I'll have to get some advise on how to avoid separation anxiety. He's never bonded with anyone before so I'm not sure if it will be possible to re-home him. I'll hand it over to the Universe and ask you-know-who to bring about the best outcome for him. Thanks for the link. It's late here so I'll read it tomorrow and hopefully make sense of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:40:37 GMT -5
Dogs like to be accepted and really only like to please the owner. Wookie and you could be good for each other that is if you have the room a shepherd needs a big yard.
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Post by elric on Aug 14, 2019 10:15:01 GMT -5
Dogs like to be accepted and really only like to please the owner. Wookie and you could be good for each other that is if you have the room a shepherd needs a big yard. He loves my yard. A neighbour must have a small dog over the back because he's fascinated by whatever he smells. He's far too interested in Bill the cockatoo whose cage is on the other side of another fence. But he does listen when I call him off. I've got a compromised vascular system and can only walk up to 100 yards before my circulation shuts down and I'm in considerable pain. Not good enough to exercise a dog. So I bought a big mobility scooter. While I sit riding in comfort, my Rotti pup would jog alongside at around 12kph. He set the pace. He wore a harness with a strap on it's back that I could grip with the choker lead to control him [At 16mo he was 60kg with severe behavioural issues] Once Wookie has settled in, I'll start taking him for a walk/jog every morning. He's really skinny. He needs to put on weight and some condition. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 14, 2019 12:07:41 GMT -5
There have been two German Shepherd dogs in my life. They were both very loyal and lovable and hell on the world around them. The first one wiped out an entire flock of sheep and had to be put down. The second was the terror of the neighborhood, woe unto thee who dared intrude into the territory of Heidi! Great dogs but require training and attention. When they go wrong, whoa!
Best of luck with yours. THey are worth all of the effort they require.
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Post by stone on Aug 14, 2019 12:26:34 GMT -5
Good for you! I love Shepherds!
I rescued a Shepherd once and he was a great dog, he just needed time. I had to be "very" careful with him around my infant daughter but eventually; if I tickled or played loudly with my daughter, he would gently get between her and I and protect her.
Shepherds seem to remember traumatic events and he reacted poorly to loud bangs for a long time.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 14, 2019 14:03:39 GMT -5
Good for you! I love Shepherds! I rescued a Shepherd once and he was a great dog, he just needed time. I had to be "very" careful with him around my infant daughter but eventually; if I tickled or played loudly with my daughter, he would gently get between her and I and protect her. Shepherds seem to remember traumatic events and he reacted poorly to loud bangs for a long time. Seems as though our lil baby has had the same reaction...certain movements make her cower like someone has beaten her before...so glad we were able to rescue her...hope she has another 8 years in her, we will be a mess when she is gone. |
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Post by elric on Aug 14, 2019 17:54:47 GMT -5
There have been two German Shepherd dogs in my life. They were both very loyal and lovable and hell on the world around them. The first one wiped out an entire flock of sheep and had to be put down. The second was the terror of the neighborhood, woe unto thee who dared intrude into the territory of Heidi! Great dogs but require training and attention. When they go wrong, whoa!
Best of luck with yours. THey are worth all of the effort they require.
How sad that he had to be euthanised. It's what must be done though when they prove to be indiscriminate killers. Heidi sounds like my kind of dog, lol. Training you say? All dogs need training in at least the basics but that goes especially for large protective breeds like German Shepherds. They're extremely intelligent so when they're not given the training and attention that they deserve, they usually become a problem animal. Wookie is over the top protective. That's going to be my main area of concern. He does not like strangers. [And he hates cats. He got within a couple of feet of nailing the neighbours cat yesterday. My goodness he's quick] Since he's had no training to speak of, I'm going to have to start from scratch. He knows 'sit', sort of. When I give him a command he needs time to think about it. Wookie is food focused so training shouldn't be too hard. I'll have to play it by ear but training should start in a weeks time. Considering his issues, I must not ask for too much too soon. |
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Post by elric on Aug 14, 2019 18:10:19 GMT -5
Good for you! I love Shepherds! I rescued a Shepherd once and he was a great dog, he just needed time. I had to be "very" careful with him around my infant daughter but eventually; if I tickled or played loudly with my daughter, he would gently get between her and I and protect her. Shepherds seem to remember traumatic events and he reacted poorly to loud bangs for a long time. All dogs remember past trauma. It's very sad. As Shepherds are very intelligent, maybe more so. My first Rotti was a 50kg protection trained 18mo who was guaranteed to take out three men. By 2 1/2 he was guaranteed to take out five [that's when the trainers offered me twice my money and another dog to take him back for higher training to be a bodyguard dog. Nuh-uh] As I often was on call at night or worked night shift, I bought him to keep the then wife safe. He was extremely protective but had no problem with me welcoming strangers inside. He absolutely adored babies and little kids. He would protect any kid. When out in public, if he saw a kid crying, he'd get terribly upset. If he thought someone was hurting a kid, he wouldn't go off [because he knew it would freak the kid out] he would get between the child and the offender and bare his teeth. Generally speaking, both Rotti's and Shepherds make excellent family pets. |
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Aug 14, 2019 18:14:06 GMT -5
Not sure if this is the correct place for this thread. If not, please move it to the appropriate sub-forum thanks mods. My last dog I raised from a little pup. A Rotti who had really serious behavioural issues and the worst case of PICA I'd ever heard of. [It was so bad that I had to take him to toilet muzzled on lead with a choker collar every single time] Rottii breeders kept saying that "Some Rotti's are like that. Give him time." The most frustrating thing was that he was not stupid. As he was food motivated, he was easy to train. By 4mo he knew the basics; sit, drop, heel, come and would piss on command. He would even sit and wait with his dinner under his nose until I gave the command to eat. None-the-less, he only obeyed if he felt like it or when I was holding a dried liver treat. At 16mo he was 60kg, strong and really fit. [He jogged for 50 minutes every day] He hurt my back so bad, by being stupid, lunging at a skink lizard while on the lead. I needed to go to hospital, so over three days I unsuccessfully tried to find a kennel that could accommodate his needs. Over that time my health deteriorated further. In April last year, Zagan was put to sleep. I spent over a week in hospital. Although Zagan was a total pain in the arse, he was my pain in the arse. Having him put down was terribly upsetting. But, to be perfectly honest, it was also a bit of a relief. Since then I regularly check pet rescue sites. Recently I made an inquiry about a German Shepherd, just out of curiosity. As it turned out Wookie has issues due to neglect and needed an experienced owner. My inquiry sparked a flow of emails and phone calls from the rescue people. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if my health is up to taking on a medium/large dog. Wookie has issues. He'd only known a kennel or yard his entire life. He'd never seen the inside of a home before. He's not been house trained. He has not been given much affection or attention. He's had little to no training. Two prospective adopters were bitten [idiots with no clue who were looking for a junk-yard dog] so his chances were diminishing. The GS rescue people feared that he may have to be euthanised. The thought of his circumstance played on my mind. Last Friday I met Wookie. He didn't show me much interest but the rescue people thought it an excellent sign that I wasn't bitten, lol. It's Winter here and nights at the foot of the Blue Mountains have been 0*C and lower lately. I couldn't let him be euthanised without being given a chance so I agreed to foster him and see how it goes. While with me he's being fed a 100% raw meaty bone diet, will be trained and exercised daily to put on some weight and condition. [He's 30kg. All his ribs are sticking out as are his hips] On Monday Wookie recognised me and was pleased to see me [which was a pleasant surprise] and allowed me to handle him. The poor boy was terribly restless the first evening when I brought him home and would not sit still. Being in a home for the first time everything was new to him. He continually 'patrolled', sussing out every little thing. The rescue people advised to leave him outside for the first week at nights but it was so cold that I let him inside and played it by ear. Although he ignored his big comfy bed and slept on the bare tiles at my front door, he did not make a noise all night. In the morning nothing was out of place. Even better, he has not once tried to mark inside my home. In actual fact, he has not touched a single thing in my home. He's been very respectful. Although he's only been here for two nights, he's already showing signs of becoming more relaxed. He's not overly affectionate but when he gets up to do his 'patrol', he comes up to me for a quick pat. It's a reassurance thing I think. He went to sleep last night at the front door again but this morning when I awoke he was on his big comfy bed that's in my bedroom. Despite the fact that he bites and is extremely protective, he's shown me no aggression what-so-ever and he's actually quite a nice natured boy. All he needed was some patience and given some space to figure things out at his pace. He's not demanding in any way. He isn't a nuisance barker [In fact the only time I've heard him bark is when he's gone off at people who've come to my door. My goodness he's fierce] and really, he's been a perfect guest. If things continue to go the way they are going, I may well adopt him for good. Every thread is a good thread for a dog post. |
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Post by elric on Aug 14, 2019 18:29:40 GMT -5
Good for you! I love Shepherds! I rescued a Shepherd once and he was a great dog, he just needed time. I had to be "very" careful with him around my infant daughter but eventually; if I tickled or played loudly with my daughter, he would gently get between her and I and protect her. Shepherds seem to remember traumatic events and he reacted poorly to loud bangs for a long time. Seems as though our lil baby has had the same reaction...certain movements make her cower like someone has beaten her before...so glad we were able to rescue her...hope she has another 8 years in her, we will be a mess when she is gone. How sad. I'm glad that you were able to rescue her also. Yes they do remember. On the bright side they do learn to trust when treated right. It's not hard. It can take time with some though. It's beyond my comprehension why some feel the need to hit a dog. There's no benefit from it. [Whenever I see someone hit a dog in public, I say "Would you like me to show you how that feels?" None of them have argued back] Wookie has not been physically abused I don't think [He's the type of dog that would bite anyone who tried anyway] because he hasn't shied away or flinched at all. He's been abused by neglect. A lot of people have a 'treat them mean to keep them keen' attitude. A dog is more likely to protect out of love for his/her owner and family. A dog that's neglected and who's expected to protect a yard, will end up more like a savage junk-yard dog. Wookie has already accepted me as the alpha. All it took was patience, consideration and kindness. He responds to correction really well. It's like he wants to please. Although it's only day four, he's already like a different dog than on day one. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 15, 2019 1:47:59 GMT -5
elric, You have a gift with dogs, buddy. Keep it up.
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Post by elric on Aug 15, 2019 9:41:56 GMT -5
elric , You have a gift with dogs, buddy. Keep it up. Thanks @paddy. I do have my uses, lol. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 15, 2019 11:55:03 GMT -5
"Heidi" was a pip. Black and tan. Large. Her sidekick was our male West Highland White Terrier, tiny compared to her. One day some Labrador Retriever decided to pick up our little Westy and shake him. So, Heidi picked up the Lab, shook him and tossed him. Lab never returned to our area.
While we lived in a nice community, it was a bit rural, overgrown and deserted, dark at night. My mother would drive home and park in the dark. She was always so relieved when Heidi would go out to meet her and escort her from the road to the house.
German Shepherds are a great breed.
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Post by driftingfate on Aug 16, 2019 0:27:39 GMT -5
Great story - I hope it works out for you and the GSD. While trouble dogs seem to have a way of staying troubled, there are enough success stories out there that they aren't miracles, but a mix of the right dog with the right, patient human to give them affection and guidance.
Bless you for trying with your Rottie and for giving this new dog a last chance.
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Post by elric on Aug 18, 2019 8:05:21 GMT -5
Wookie has been here for six days now.
He's a lot more relaxed. He was on high alert for the first few days.
He doesn't ask for much affection but when he goes on his now hourly patrol, he comes up for a quick pat. It's for reassurance I think.
He takes correction well. Over my side fence is Bill the cockatoo who lives in a cage. Bill is quite chatty at times. Wookie was fascinated and wanted to take a closer look by climbing the fence [He's not a big Shepherd but he is long] He'd easily go over the 5 1/2' fence if he figured that he could [My 50kg Rotti was trained to go over a 7' fence] So I gave him my loud deep grumbling voice. It really doesn't matter what you say to an untrained dog because they don't speak English. It's how you say it.
He complied with my wishes to gtf off the fence and didn't try to jump up again. A few minutes later he came up for a pat as if to say 'We still good?'. Again, he's seeking reassurance me thinks.
He doesn't know what to do with toys. He'll chase a ball but then just sniffs it. Today though, he picked it up and dropped it in my general direction, lol. It's a start.
There's a really nice $90 bed for him in my bedroom but he prefers to sleep on the tiles at the front door. Guarding the entrance? The last two mornings though, he's on his bed when I wake. But I think he moves there at the crack of dawn and stares at me using a Jedi mind-trick to wake me.
The bad news is he chundered up his breakfast on Friday morning. Yes, on the carpet thanks.
Then this morning he spews at 6.30am. Lovely.
This afternoon he gives me another present. Yes, carpet thanks again.
There's nothing in the vomitus that suggests any problem.
He's eating well. For breakfast he ate a roo neck, which is hard work. First night he ate the roo/lamb/beef chunks and kibble first, the next night he ate the turkey neck and chunk of beef brisket bone first. Says a lot about feeding raw [The only reason why I'm giving him a handful of grain free kibble is because he's used to 50% kibble. Plus I'm trying to put some weight on him. When the bag is empty he'll then be on a 100% raw diet]
The chucking up is giving me awful flashbacks of my 60kg 16mo Rotti pup who regularly laughed at the carpet in the early hours, several times a week. The lack of sleep wore me down.
I'm not going through it again. If the spewing continues he'll become an outside dog. Which would be a shame. A dog can't protect a home if he's outside. Plus, he's a really good house dog. He has not touched a single thing the entire six days.
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Post by Chuckus on Aug 18, 2019 8:40:37 GMT -5
New home,new diet,new alpha.Patience is usually rewarded when it comes to dogs. I have a young German Shepard mix and a Queensland... both about 15 months old.The German Shepard has a cast iron stomach and can eat anything,the Queensland not so much.Mine eat some kibble but mostly meat,not raw.Hang in there,and good luck.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 18, 2019 15:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 18, 2019 16:00:10 GMT -5
Great looking dog!
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Post by elric on Aug 18, 2019 18:10:28 GMT -5
Thank you for posting the pics Ron, much appreciated. Two things that I liked in particular was his stance and his focus. When the pics were taken he had spotted a cat. The kennel were he was boarded is on acreage. Apparently there's a lot of feral cats in the area. He doesn't like cats, lol. |
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Aug 18, 2019 18:33:45 GMT -5
Thank you for posting the pics Ron, much appreciated. Two things that I liked in particular was his stance and his focus. When the pics were taken he had spotted a cat. The kennel were he was boarded is on acreage. Apparently there's a lot of feral cats in the area. He doesn't like cats, lol. Keep the updates coming!! The Patch is pulling for him! |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 18, 2019 18:42:47 GMT -5
In Mexico it is...  In Australia, it is Fosters...so be advised... Thanks for the thread, best wishes for Wookie and you. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 18, 2019 19:01:46 GMT -5
In Mexico it is... In Australia, it is Fosters...so be advised... Thanks for the thread, best wishes for Wookie and you. I thought a slice of lime om the neck of that bottle would be appropriate. Good looking young man, I must say! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2019 19:17:15 GMT -5
With that thick coat, he'll probably appreciate a cold brew when summer comes to Australia.
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Post by elric on Aug 18, 2019 19:20:39 GMT -5
New home,new diet,new alpha.Patience is usually rewarded when it comes to dogs. I have a young German Shepard mix and a Queensland... both about 15 months old.The German Shepard has a cast iron stomach and can eat anything,the Queensland not so much.Mine eat some kibble but mostly meat,not raw.Hang in there,and good luck. Apart from the chundering he's fitting in quite well. A lot of dogs who've been kenneled all their life and that have spent considerable time at the pound are often nuisance barkers. Wookie only barks if he hears something. So that's a positive as it means that he can stay outside when required. He does not like visitors so I have to put him out when mates come over. I'm hoping that he's not too overprotective when out on his runs. [My first Rotti would not tolerate anyone near me when out in public] Training will help a lot. He only knows 'sit' atm. We've had a few short walks up to now, just getting him used to the outside world, not wanting to overload him with too many new experiences. Today we're going for a jog, well he is. I'll be sitting in my big mobility scooter with the comfy seat, lol. After several days of going for a jog I'll start training sessions. As he is food motivated and seems to be willing to please, it shouldn't be too hard. Many years ago I was watching a documentary on wild dogs. It got me thinking. Dogs guts are designed to break down raw meaty [soft] bones. Kibble and canned food goes straight through them. Although most vets would disagree [because the commercial pet food industry has a huge influence on what vet students are taught on nutrition] dogs who are fed commercial food, especially larger breeds, are more susceptible to getting a twisted bowel. Judging by the tarter on his teeth, Wookie has never been given a bone. It's interesting how that once he got a taste, he now eats the soft meaty bones while leaving the kibble for last. [Never give a weight bearing bone as it WILL eventually crack a tooth which is not only very painful but also expensive to treat. Only Tasmanian Devils and Hyenas have teeth equipped to demolish hard bones] Many dog owners feed from a human perspective, thinking that food must be cooked. Raw food is their natural diet. My old Rotti was a very fit 50kg and lived to 14yo without any health issues [apart from arthritis in his final years, that I treated with cannabis oil] A really good age for a dog of that size. A dog that has a soft meaty bone several times a week will have pearly white teeth, healthy gums and neutral breath. Here's my vets website on the subject; www.rawmeatybones.com |
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Post by elric on Aug 18, 2019 19:29:49 GMT -5
In Mexico it is... In Australia, it is Fosters...so be advised... Thanks for the thread, best wishes for Wookie and you. Nice looking Shepherd but he has terrible taste in beer. Watered down donkey piss that requires a wedge of lime to give it some flavour, lol. Fosters was once quite popular here but would you believe that it's no longer stocked in bottle shops or pubs? I'm not 100% sure but I don't think that it's even brewed here anymore. Fosters is really popular in the U.K. where it is brewed to a 'slightly' different recipe than the original version. This is what happens when national icons are overtaken by corporate multinationals. Victoria Bitter, by the same brewers as Fosters, was more popular than Fosters, so maybe this influenced the decision to discontinue brewing it. |
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