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Post by stone on Aug 20, 2019 9:47:45 GMT -5
I agree. If you get a plate on your car showing conviction of a DUI then why not for rape, murder, theft, drug dealing and more? Why not have all crimes marked on one's car? Store Clerk: I see the car you pulled up in marks you as a thief. I got my eye on you. Conscientious citizen: I see your plate identifies you as a politician which means you are to blame for damn near everything!
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Post by puffy on Aug 20, 2019 9:58:57 GMT -5
I watch a lot of baseball games.They drink a lot of beer at those games.Colleges now are starting to sell beer and wine at games.I always wonder how those folks get home..I don't believe that anyone should drive after they've been drinking,but a lot of folks do..Yes I did it back in my young and stupid days..I'm truly thankful that nothing bad happened..For several reasons I quit alcohol over 40 years ago.I don't miss it at all.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Aug 20, 2019 10:04:08 GMT -5
Not in favor, people F^_K up in life, labels are bad, people can change, same bastard politician making that law is probably stealing public funds and diddling little children. Next it will be plates for fat people, be damned if I drive my truck with fat plates.!
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Post by stone on Aug 20, 2019 10:25:10 GMT -5
Not in favor, people F^_K up in life, labels are bad, people can change, same bastard politician making that law is probably stealing public funds and diddling little children. Next it will be plates for fat people, be damned if I drive my truck with fat plates.! I guess you said it better than I could! I don't like labeling and I damn sure don't like selective labeling!
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 20, 2019 11:13:11 GMT -5
I haven't read the whole thread yet, but when I first saw this I thought it said...
DUI pilates
I thought to myself, 'now that would be a fun activity.'
Back to the regular scheduled programme.
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Post by stone on Aug 20, 2019 11:21:44 GMT -5
What a great concept!
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 20, 2019 11:27:27 GMT -5
Until people get serious about texting and driving I should be able to drive around with a wet bar in the back of my car with a bartender. Just sayin.... Hear, Hear! From the vantage point of my tractor, I can see into most other cars and the numbers of distracted drivers is utterly ridiculous, and I have had way to many close calls. Each day I see plenty of cars with front and rear end damage off to the side of the road, many times in multiples...I believe (Based on the numbers of people I see looking down on their phones) that contributes heavily to the accidents I see. Police in the UK are now going to be patrolling the motorways in articulated lorries to get a good vantage point on texters. And it's not even texters...people are flicking through Facebook and Twitter etc. As for the question at hand...I understand the question - why single one crime and not others? I wonder has that come from a working group who were asked to think about how to keep DUIs down (specifically focusing on DUIs and nothing else - maybe they had experience of it first or second hand). And so they came up with this idea and it's been pushed through without thinking of applying it across the board. That's my thought anyway.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 20, 2019 11:37:08 GMT -5
A drunk in a 2 ton vehicle is throwing around a weapon of mass destruction. How would people react if I got drunk and started waving around a pistol on the side of the road. The car has at least as much potential for injuries and death as the pistol. No one I know has been shot, but several killed by drunks dead is dead. Why is being young and stupid, or old and stupid an excuse. Strike 2 and never drive again. People who don't agree probably think they can drive fine after a six pack and haven't lost a family member to a drunk.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 20, 2019 11:41:48 GMT -5
One thing I noticed when I was in America (my one and only time)....It might have just been where I was staying, but there was a distinct lack of footpaths (sidewalks). Now in Ireland there are many roads without footpaths, but we just walk down the road. But in USA that's jaywalking, isn't it?
Is there a way to walk to the pub and back if there are no footpaths without getting done for jaywalking?
If not, is a factor in people getting DUIs?
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 20, 2019 11:55:03 GMT -5
One thing I noticed when I was in America (my one and only time)....It might have just been where I was staying, but there was a distinct lack of footpaths (sidewalks). Now in Ireland there are many roads without footpaths, but we just walk down the road. But in USA that's jaywalking, isn't it? Is there a way to walk to the pub and back if there are no footpaths without getting done for jaywalking? If not, is a factor in people getting DUIs? America is huge an diverse. The people and the infrastructure, like the land, all change from area to area. Rainforest, desert, plains and more. Drive a bit and you're in a whole new world. Jaywalking is more of a city thing where one cuts into traffic and not using a crosswalk. Its rarely enforced. Walking home from a pub/bar isnt as easy either. We are big and spread out.
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Post by stone on Aug 20, 2019 11:57:30 GMT -5
A drunk in a 2 ton vehicle is throwing around a weapon of mass destruction. How would people react if I got drunk and started waving around a pistol on the side of the road. The car has at least as much potential for injuries and death as the pistol. No one I know has been shot, but several killed by drunks dead is dead. Why is being young and stupid, or old and stupid an excuse. Strike 2 and never drive again. People who don't agree probably think they can drive fine after a six pack and haven't lost a family member to a drunk. I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a loved one to a drunk driver, but I do know what it's like to see a loved one whose life was destroyed by repeated child molestation. One is a stupid, irresponsible, mistake and one is a pre-meditated, repeated, and direct violation of another human being. That man should have had his forehead carved, special license plates, and anything else that would ensure his life is ruined like the one he ruined for his own fun!
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 20, 2019 12:04:23 GMT -5
Jaywalking is only a thing in congested areas, like downtown Houston or NYC. In our area there's no side walks, which is not a problem in our neighborhood, but if someone wants to walk to the closest store 1.5 miles away they are taking their lives in their hands. We have to dodge them all the time. The distances in most of the US make walking impractical. When I lived in the Montrose area of Houston I could safely walk to many bars, restaurants and museums, even the zoo. It's an intermediate area where jaywalking isn't illegal, but pretty stupid. Sidewalks everywhere and pedestrian crossing signals. Motorists are killed every month on the road we have to get on to go anywhere. Ireland is scaled for walking, 99% of the USA isn't. I love to walk in Downtown Austin, but I was staying in a downtown hotel. Walking in Dublin is a treat.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 20, 2019 12:07:09 GMT -5
Ronv69 & McWiggins, I think I'm looking at USA through very 'green' glasses.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 20, 2019 12:23:00 GMT -5
Ronv69 & McWiggins, I think I'm looking at USA through very 'green' glasses. When we have rain, SE Texas is very green, maybe as green as County Kerry. But much warmer. Coastal Washington is the place you see the speeders chasing the Ewoks in Star Wars. Then there are thousands of square miles of deserts that have their own beauty. As a whole though, Ireland is a much more concentrated beauty and I never saw anything dirty or even in bad repair such as we have everywhere. It's like a different planet. Even just in Texas we have congested cities, ugly industrial areas, swamps, rivers, peat bogs, mountains, deserts, beaches, prairies, impenetrable woodlands and more. Just my one county in Texas has 3 times the population of Northern Ireland. In this county are lakes, bays, marinas, horses and places to ride them, the world's widest highway, 4 airports, and 5 business districts with skyscrapers. My neighborhood is surrounded by Houston, but borders on several thousand acre wildlife refuge.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 20, 2019 12:29:12 GMT -5
Ronv69 & McWiggins, I think I'm looking at USA through very 'green' glasses. When we have rain, SE Texas is very green, maybe as green as County Kerry. But much warmer. Coastal Washington is the place you see the speeders chasing the Ewoks in Star Wars. Then there are thousands of square miles of deserts that have their own beauty. As a whole though, Ireland is a much more concentrated beauty and I never saw anything dirty or even in bad repair such as we have everywhere. It's like a different planet. Even just in Texas we have congested cities, ugly industrial areas, swamps, rivers, peat bogs, mountains, deserts, beaches, prairies, impenetrable woodlands and more. Just my one county in Texas has 3 times the population of Northern Ireland. In this county are lakes, bays, marinas, horses and places to ride them, the world's widest highway, 4 airports, and 5 business districts with skyscrapers. My neighborhood is surrounded by Houston, but borders on several thousand acre wildlife refuge. I think I'd find that beautiful. I certainly did when I was there. My comment was meant to convey that I think I'm looking at America truth the lens of what I'm used to in Ireland. I kinda forget that we are titchy compared to most other countries.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 20, 2019 12:40:08 GMT -5
Yeah, you would be road kill in Mexico for sure too. Ireland is really unique.
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Post by simnettpratt on Aug 20, 2019 12:53:03 GMT -5
The mindset is completely different. Here, fifty miles is a trip to the restaurant or sports bar, it's nothing. Home (England for me), fifty miles is check the air pressure in the tires, get lots of water and games for the kids. Walking is only for the middle of big cities; there is no walking fifty miles for lunch. Live anywhere but downtown in a major city, and a car is a must. When my car was in the shop for six months, I lived close to downtown in a suburb of Dallas. Driving to work was twenty minutes, the three buses I had to take was two and a half hours. A car is neccessary, and I lived here (now Pecan Village Apartments) - not exactly out in the country:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:46:32 GMT -5
You can get a DUI bicycling in Washington and some other states. Enforcement on drunken boaters has also increased here.
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Post by stone on Aug 20, 2019 13:57:35 GMT -5
There was a DUI given to a guy on his lawn mower in Ohio. He was mowing and made a wide turn out onto the street he lived on and a cop watched it all. I guess the guy would have been okay if he hadn't become belligerent.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Aug 20, 2019 14:07:53 GMT -5
I believe there are states in which a registered sex offender has to somehow introduce or announce themselves to a new neighborhood, and of course they're on a registry for anyone to look up. A colored license plate would be a similar idea. Then there's the useful fact that it makes it easy for law enforcement to identify a previous drunk driver. Any cop will tell you that if they see a slight indication of a possible DUI, like a small swerve, they'll evaluate for a bit to see if it was a momentary distraction like swatting at a bee, or if there's solid probable cause to make the stop. A colored license plate would make this judgment call a lot easier. This is an issue that folks probably have different perspectives on, depending on region and previous experience. There are many rural areas of the U.S. where drinking and driving is normalized; a "come on, everyone does it" mentality. That mentality, obviously, kills people... and if you've lost someone because of it, your perspective is a little different. (It's also statistically true that a drunk driver is much more likely to allow themselves distractions like cell phone use.) In a group that often advocates for the concept of personal responsibility that people claim is being lost today, I'm pretty surprised folks are against this idea. Seems to me, if you commit a crime as dangerous to others as this, the least you should have to do is own it. Anything that works to change the normalization of drinking and driving is probably a good thing. (Of course, if half the cars on the road in your county have the plate, maybe it does the opposite ). I'm a full believer / witness in the idea that people can change, and I have nothing but respect for people who do. It's just that driving is a privilege and not the right that some regard it as, and I personally think that some mistakes are significant enough that they should follow you around for a bit. Ask anyone who's ever scraped a dead kid off the road while the drunk driver sits in the back of the squad with nary a scratch what THEY think about colored plates...
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 20, 2019 14:19:45 GMT -5
But how long should one have drive around with a plate showing they got a DUI or any other crime?
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 20, 2019 14:31:33 GMT -5
But how long should one have drive around with a plate showing they got a DUI or any other crime? That would depend on the circumstances like any other other sentence.
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Post by theloniousmonkfish on Aug 20, 2019 14:36:47 GMT -5
People with a DUI are automatically barred from entering Canada for ten years. Filing for a temporary residence permit or rehabilitation is the only way they'll admit someone with that on their record, if they decide to.
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Post by theloniousmonkfish on Aug 20, 2019 14:38:25 GMT -5
But how long should one have drive around with a plate showing they got a DUI or any other crime? That would depend on the circumstances like any other other sentence. In Ohio getting four DUIs in ten years is a felony.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Aug 20, 2019 14:38:55 GMT -5
But how long should one have drive around with a plate showing they got a DUI or any other crime? "It was quickly decided that the plates would only become mandatory for second offenses and instances where a driver is twice the legal limit. The plates are generally only carried for the duration of a limited privilege period, which runs between six months to a year. Are you an Ohio resident looking to avoid having to bear this mark of shame? Our best advice: make sure you have a designated driver and don’t be an idiot." www.google.com/amp/s/thenewswheel.com/a-bit-about-ohios-scarlet-letter-plates-for-dui-offenders/amp/
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Post by kbareit on Aug 20, 2019 14:49:15 GMT -5
But how long should one have drive around with a plate showing they got a DUI or any other crime? My sister in law got popped twice for DUI. The first time it was the usual pay the fine and attorney fees and attend a class about the dangers of drinking and driving and you're done. Her second offense cost a lot more and she received a set of party plates and she had to have them for a year during her probation period. After that she was allowed her regular plates. A friend of mine went through the same thing. The plates are only used during the probation time and are easier to identify by police and allow them to stop and check to see if the driver is in violation. Both my sister in law and friend have not had a drink since and have been sober at least 10 years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:55:36 GMT -5
I am sober in my dotage, not so much in younger years. There has been an elevation in consciousness and responsibility in more recent times, but that refrain from the tune, Glass Houses, is ringing in my mind.
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 20, 2019 15:06:23 GMT -5
I dont mind a set amount of time based on a standard set of rules. I had to ask as its an area (DUI plate ID law) I know nothing of and would hate to see it abused.
I wont go into a story of details but I know what drivers under the influence of things can do to others and those that love them. So I have no problem with punishments.
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Post by Baboo on Aug 20, 2019 16:24:54 GMT -5
But how long should one have drive around with a plate showing they got a DUI or any other crime? "It was quickly decided that the plates would only become mandatory for second offenses and instances where a driver is twice the legal limit. The plates are generally only carried for the duration of a limited privilege period, which runs between six months to a year. Are you an Ohio resident looking to avoid having to bear this mark of shame? Our best advice: make sure you have a designated driver esrifiand don’t be an idiot." www.google.com/amp/s/thenewswheel.com/a-bit-about-ohios-scarlet-letter-plates-for-dui-offenders/amp/This clarifies the issue for me to a more reasonable degree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 17:13:30 GMT -5
The problem I see with it is that it doesn't actually brand the person with the "scarlet letter", it brands the vehicle. Thus, any innocent family member or friend who borrows or drives the car is automatically under suspension. True. I guess the famly members might be a little pissed at the person at that point. Might put some pressure on them to change their behavior. Who knows?
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