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Post by trailboss on Aug 20, 2019 23:42:57 GMT -5
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Post by monbla256 on Aug 21, 2019 0:00:03 GMT -5
Amazing bit of Peterson history and an amazing piece of bit work! Thanks for posting! 
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 21, 2019 2:02:55 GMT -5
They certainly look different. I'm curious to see the difference they make to the smoking experience.
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Post by joeman on Aug 21, 2019 11:59:20 GMT -5
I'd love to see a test, which would not be hard to do. An overhead video cam aiming straight down to capture the smoke stream. Smoke is blown into the tenon-end of a NAP stem at the same velocity as the smoker would normally draw, so that smoke comes out the end of the stem and is captured on video. Then watch the smoke stream in slow motion.
I'm sure folks like the very idea of this design, and some will state what they think of the experience. I'd be interested in a simple test like this...and if it shows what they believe the stem was designed to do, could actually aid in sales as well.
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Post by peteguy on Aug 21, 2019 12:31:11 GMT -5
That site is the biggest pile of poo I try to visit. Screen jumps up and down all the time. Wish I could read the damn thing.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 21, 2019 14:20:01 GMT -5
Our friend is knashing his teeth waiting for his to arrive. Like he needs it. 😎🤠😈
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 22, 2019 23:35:53 GMT -5
I'm sure Silver Grey could accomodate you. But it will cost a cool $250. |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 23, 2019 1:08:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I met Silver... a delightful lady, Brad seems pretty standoffish though.... all the pipes I saw were way past the $250 range, especially Brad’s.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 23, 2019 13:34:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I met Silver... a delightful lady, Brad seems pretty standoffish though.... all the pipes I saw were way past the $250 range, especially Brad’s. I was referring to the article.
Either Silver or Brad was quoted saying that they could make another NAP stem, but it would cost $250.
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Post by peteguy on Aug 23, 2019 15:12:56 GMT -5
Can someone give me a quick over view of this link? Thanks.
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Post by Mac on Aug 23, 2019 16:10:43 GMT -5
Here's the one photo that illustrates what the button looks like. It seems to solve a problem I didn't know I had....  |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 23, 2019 16:21:07 GMT -5
Can someone give me a quick over view of this link? Thanks. if you look at Mac's photo, they were redoing stems that help disperse the smoke in a wide range of directions (think of the smoke coming out in a semi-circle) rather than a thin jet. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 23, 2019 17:48:06 GMT -5
Here's the one photo that illustrates what the button looks like. It seems to solve a problem I didn't know I had.... Yeah, so this is one of the original Peterson-made stems, in amber |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 23, 2019 17:49:46 GMT -5
Can someone give me a quick over view of this link? Thanks. A hundred years ago, the "Peterson" of Kapp & Peterson came up with a further enhancement to his design, involving a much more complicated button shape. This new stem design was the "Nap" or "NAP."
At least a few were actually sold to customers, because pipe collectors have stumbled across them.
Mark Irwin plus a group of acquaintances arranged to have Silver Grey and Brad Pohlmann make some modern-day "NAP" stems for them, to see how they smoke.
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Post by Mac on Aug 24, 2019 9:45:35 GMT -5
From about then to about 50 years ago, innovation, "improvement" seemed to be key for marketers. That's why there are hundreds of different, wonderful stingers, none of which grace my pipes any more.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 24, 2019 9:53:45 GMT -5
I would imagine that if it was revolutionary, and made smoke distribution better, we would have seen these stems made continuously from that time on. From the pipe nerdery factor though, it is pretty neat, and the amber stem to me is aesthetically pleasing.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 24, 2019 9:58:10 GMT -5
I would imagine that if it was revolutionary, and made smoke distribution better, we would have seen these stems made continuously from that time on. I was thinking that too...Although I'd say there's a lot more work in producing those stems than in making a regular stem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 12:56:43 GMT -5
He gave a lot of thought to smoke delivery methods. We look on it in hindsight now, but it was all new territory then.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 25, 2019 15:59:13 GMT -5
I would imagine that if it was revolutionary, and made smoke distribution better, we would have seen these stems made continuously from that time on. From the pipe nerdery factor though, it is pretty neat, and the amber stem to me is aesthetically pleasing. If it smokes 25% better, but it triples the amount of hand labor needed on a pipe, it's gonna be a hard sell.
I assume that is why the NAP was discontinued to start with. Presumably it had a much higher starting price.
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Post by peteguy on Aug 25, 2019 18:16:22 GMT -5
Thanks all for the clarification. I just cannot view that site for some reason. I too will watch and see what the reviews look like.
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Post by Mac on Aug 26, 2019 9:59:47 GMT -5
There's a very detailed description of the process of making these stems, and many photos. Very involved work, very intricate. Another gimmick that didn't make it, perhaps due to the high cost of production.  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 26, 2019 10:18:26 GMT -5
I would imagine that if it was revolutionary, and made smoke distribution better, we would have seen these stems made continuously from that time on. From the pipe nerdery factor though, it is pretty neat, and the amber stem to me is aesthetically pleasing. If it smokes 25% better, but it triples the amount of hand labor needed on a pipe, it's gonna be a hard sell.
I assume that is why the NAP was discontinued to start with. Presumably it had a much higher starting price.
It's not like Peterson can't afford a CNC machine, or a 3D printer. We have the technology to make the stems if there was a demand for them. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 26, 2019 10:56:04 GMT -5
If it smokes 25% better, but it triples the amount of hand labor needed on a pipe, it's gonna be a hard sell.
I assume that is why the NAP was discontinued to start with. Presumably it had a much higher starting price.
It's not like Peterson can't afford a CNC machine, or a 3D printer. We have the technology to make the stems if there was a demand for them. I never thought of that. Is the material they use in 3d printers anything like vulcanite? |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 26, 2019 17:17:25 GMT -5
If it smokes 25% better, but it triples the amount of hand labor needed on a pipe, it's gonna be a hard sell.
I assume that is why the NAP was discontinued to start with. Presumably it had a much higher starting price.
It's not like Peterson can't afford a CNC machine, or a 3D printer. We have the technology to make the stems if there was a demand for them. Stems for fine pipes are usually hand-cut because that is the most straightforward way to get good results.
Starting with a cast/molded "blank" can still end with good results, but it doesn't start out that way. Blanks generally start out pretty lousy, and then a lot of hand work is required to get a good button/slot. (Almost all Peterson stems start out as molded blanks, and then get hand-finished.)
3D printing would just be a very expensive way to create the cast/molded blank. You are still restricted by the feature size of the 3D printer and the properties of the material, whether sintered powder or layered plastic. You will need a lot of finishing at the end to smooth out the airway and get a good button/slot.
I don't doubt that you could make a NAP stem blank that reduced the amount of hand labor, but it's not going to be as easy as a p-lip or fishtail.
Edit: It's worth pointing out that I don't know diddly squat about CNC. Why isn't CNC commonly used for pipe stems? Is it just too fiddly to make small, soft items in 3 dimensions?
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 26, 2019 17:17:56 GMT -5
It's not like Peterson can't afford a CNC machine, or a 3D printer. We have the technology to make the stems if there was a demand for them. I never thought of that. Is the material they use in 3d printers anything like vulcanite? 3d printers exist for lots of materials.
For pipe stems I suppose you could use ABS plastic. It's commonly used in 3d printers, and I know Sparta/Grabow uses it in pipe stems.
I don't know if a 3d printer would really be that helpful, though. 3d printers for plastics generally lay down a sort of "bead" and move a print-head around to create a plastic item from lots of little layers.
It would come out pretty rough in shape/texture, even with a very small feature size
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Aug 26, 2019 17:25:01 GMT -5
Y'all made me curious so I went and found a couple of attempts at replacement stems made with consumer-grade 3d printers. www.thingiverse.com/make:563310www.thingiverse.com/thing:3451044The results were not very encouraging. The resulting stems, printed on printers with 0.13 and 0.15 mm feature sizes, are extremely chunky. Because the 3d-printed plastic isn't as strong as a molded plastic, the author had to use 5-6 layers of material for strength, and there's no way to trim the stem back down to a better shape with cutting tools. Just coincidentally one of the replacements is on a Peterson  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 26, 2019 17:32:51 GMT -5
We should be able to just use the replicator from the Enterprise.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 26, 2019 18:06:40 GMT -5
Well, I read it all and watched it all and it has already been stated..."It seems to solve a problem I didn't know I had...."
I think I'll pass!
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