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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 16:19:52 GMT -5
Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.
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Post by Wolfman on Aug 25, 2019 16:24:10 GMT -5
When my dad was alive he owned a business in Hauppauge , NY. One day (March-April 1993) he was interviewing a woman and ended up offering her the position. She would only accept the job as long she could smoke in her office. My dad was a believer in individual rights and liberties and said yes.
2019 I wonder what the reaction would be if a job applicant asked that question today?
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Post by trailboss on Aug 25, 2019 16:27:52 GMT -5
Nowadays, at least in Arizona an employer has no say, the government prohibits it in any workplace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 16:42:48 GMT -5
All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 16:54:18 GMT -5
Over the years most places I worked one was expected to conform the companies standards at all times. Often times these stands were hypocritical. Some of the standards were imposed for the cost savings on benefits. One company was drug free testing employees at mass random several times a year. You can imagine the joy when fleet insurance was changed to no DUI convictions within the last five years leading to the loss of company vehicle driving privileges to some of those who thought excessive drug testing was okay to save a few bucks. Today it is tobaccos turn who is to say what it up next obesity perhaps. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 25, 2019 17:28:56 GMT -5
When it really goes south is when you are deprived of surgery when the bureaucrats decide that as a smoker, you have shown yourself not responsible in your lifestyle to deserve medical treatment, it happens in the UK.
One cigar a week, you are in the same league as a chain smoker of cigarettes.
If they had a way of testing for interactions with hookers, and deemed that as risky behavior, a lot if politicians would be without healthcare.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 25, 2019 17:37:45 GMT -5
Somewhat off topic, but I found it amazing that David Crosby destroyed his liver with illegal drugs, and moved to the top of the donor list... some years later, he is involved in an accident, running down a kid in his Tesla, tells the cops that he hadn’t been drinking so they take his word for it. Money doesn’t buy everything, but it sure helps solve some insurmountable problems for the average person. calcoastnews.com/2016/06/rocker-david-crosby-agrees-to-3-million-settlement/I do not doubt that the politicians and bureaucrats, hell even healthcare organizations have waivers for themselves. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 25, 2019 17:42:35 GMT -5
When it really goes south is when you are deprived of surgery when the bureaucrats decide that as a smoker, you have shown yourself not responsible in your lifestyle to deserve medical treatment, it happens in the UK. One cigar a week, you are in the same league as a chain smoker of cigarettes. If they had a way of testing for interactions with hookers, and deemed that as risky behavior, a lot if politicians would be without healthcare.Funny...how they set the standards, but they don't have to comply themselves... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 18:16:45 GMT -5
Somewhat off topic, but I found it amazing that David Crosby destroyed his liver with illegal drugs, and moved to the top of the donor list... some years later, he is involved in an accident, running down a kid in his Tesla, tells the cops that he hadn’t been drinking so they take his word for it. Money doesn’t buy everything, but it sure helps solve some insurmountable problems for the average person. calcoastnews.com/2016/06/rocker-david-crosby-agrees-to-3-million-settlement/I do not doubt that the politicians and bureaucrats, hell even healthcare organizations have waivers for themselves. I've known about that slimeball for years. That's just what he has been caught on. Imagine what he's gotten away with. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 18:23:31 GMT -5
The company I work for is contracted to a company that is nicotine free as a condition of employment and they random test. You are free to work or not. It sucks but the market is shrinking and is ultra competitive. I've said it for years I'd be more worried about your wife, employer or insurance provider getting you to quit smoking than the government.  I understand that they can makes peoples lives miserable and next to impossible to live but, that's the reason we need to do something......and SOON. |
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Post by daveinlax on Aug 25, 2019 19:30:21 GMT -5
The company I work for is contracted to a company that is nicotine free as a condition of employment and they random test. You are free to work or not. It sucks but the market is shrinking and is ultra competitive. I've said it for years I'd be more worried about your wife, employer or insurance provider getting you to quit smoking than the government. I understand that they can makes peoples lives miserable and next to impossible to live but, that's the reason we need to do something......and SOON. Do something? Take the job or don't. If any pro smoking legislation were put to a popular state wide vote here the anti's would win in a landslide.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 21:30:16 GMT -5
I understand that they can makes peoples lives miserable and next to impossible to live but, that's the reason we need to do something......and SOON. Do something? Take the job or don't. If any pro smoking legislation were put to a popular state wide vote here the anti's would win in a landslide.
Smoking is not popular and never will again. I know your right but, it still doesn't make it right. Nuff said.  |
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 26, 2019 3:58:17 GMT -5
I posted that link here when it first started, and they added the patch on the page. As a way of getting revenue to his site and to pay the bills he allows ads that he has no control over. There happened to be an ad of a book penned by a prominent political figure, and a patch member took deep offense, and it was decided not to allow cross posting to the briarreport.' I believe that the offended patch member has been long gone...Justin made the decision a the time. I appreciate the details. The briar report is a pipe and cigar event/news page meant to keep us informed. I find it interesting that the patch is listed on the briar report webpage and yet.... If a pipe smoker is offended (To be clear, I am offended by what is occurring, not the article itself) by what I referenced (the FDA investigating pipe makers), I would have to ask why bother smoking a pipe? A liberal progressive, conservative or libertine that cannot handle an off-site webpage for one ad, not even mentioned on the patch, is a sad state of affairs. This is all too often repeated these days. It also appears to me that a policy like that can put into question many webpage links. 😀 |
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Post by stone on Aug 26, 2019 8:10:56 GMT -5
That's crazy. Although, if they have stopped the random tests and only test on suspicion, it might be easier to keep up the pipe in the privacy of your own home. That said, the nannies are getting worse. But I find a big part of pipe smoking is the camaraderie. In that environment, you could never discuss your PAD or TAD, it would be like having an affair! |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Aug 26, 2019 11:03:07 GMT -5
I will say this: when I did my pre-employment drug test and got the nicotine test cheek swab, I asked how sensitive the test was and if any allowance was made for secondhand smoke exposure, which can't always be avoided. I hadn't smoked in months at that point since I knew I'd be pursuing this job, but several friends were cigarette smokers at the time.
The test administrator said that they made a big allowance for that. She said that to fail the nicotine test, you'd need to not only be a smoker yourself, but a pretty heavy smoker, like a couple packs a day.
Then she chuckled and said that they had to alter the tolerance for THC too, when weed was legalized here, for the same reason - secondhand exposure lol.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 28, 2019 1:48:38 GMT -5
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Post by Stearmandriver on Aug 28, 2019 2:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 28, 2019 2:21:23 GMT -5
The link I provided can be found here: www.briarreport.com/ The link works but requests one to log in , which did not appear at first through the briar report's link. It is Federal court ruling that I have no doubt will be challenged. "The plaintiffs asserted that the FDA’s extension of deadlines was not allowed under the Tobacco Control Act and this extension was an abdication of the FDA’s duty to administer and enforce the Tobacco Control Act. The plaintiffs also asserted that the FDA did not go through the appropriate administrative procedures in issuing the extension, and that the decision was not based in reasoned decision-making." The court bought it this time, regardless of how dubious one might think this case is. |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 28, 2019 15:16:43 GMT -5
The plaintiff (The American Academy Of Pediatrics), is basically a political activist group that think Americans should be stripped of tobacco and guns, and in the past, they have had no qualms with relying on bogus statistics to forward their agenda....
Their motto literally is something like “It is for the kids”... that cankerous sore has been around since the 30’s... a lot of time to build up bile and pus.
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