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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 27, 2019 16:54:41 GMT -5
Got an email from P&C about a newish blend. In the description from Russ, it says this:
"It was a blend of mellow white Burley, a Virginia Cavendish, Latakia, and deertongue. When I started the Hearth & Home line in 2004, Old Tartan was one of my first blends with Black Watch as the inspiration. Since the local tobacconist that sold the original tobacco had gone out of business causing many people to miss the blend it emulated, I was looking forward to bringing it back. Sadly, my dad never had the chance to try my homage to his tobacco, but I'm sure he would have been pleased." With health concerns in question, we decided to not use deertongue going forward. We were able to find a company that makes a product that's identical in aroma and flavor without the component that causes concern. "
Anyone know what the "deertongue issue" is? I tried to look it up online, but I just got deer diseases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 17:05:41 GMT -5
There is a health issue, that makes blenders liable, so a substitute has become the norm. It has been discussed here before, but that's been awhile.
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Post by Baboo on Aug 27, 2019 18:19:21 GMT -5
What is the specific health issue?
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Post by calabash on Aug 27, 2019 18:24:34 GMT -5
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 27, 2019 21:28:02 GMT -5
So after spending some time learning about this issue to put it simply, it comes down the possibility of thinning the blood. I say “possibility” because there are a few factors that as an ingredient to a smoking blend, its not truly studied.
The first factor, the amount that is there. One blend might have only a pinch while another has a handful in the mix. That could make a difference along with how much one smokes of said blend.
The second factor, how much really is taken in when it is burned? It’s one thing to make a tea from deertongue or use it in cooking but its another to smoke it. How much of the active chemical if any makes it through the combustion process?
I’m obviously no expert on the herb, medical information or running a tobacco business so I’m not sure why the substitute. Blends have had deertongue for some time and never has there been an issue as far as I can find. The only thing I can think of is that tobacco today is already scrutinized so why give the system something more to use as ammunition?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 22:20:53 GMT -5
Thanks for doing the research Scott. I think all your points are valid. Probably came down to a
CYA decision on blenders and lawyers part.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 28, 2019 2:08:34 GMT -5
Cheers for the link. I didn't know that about deertongue at all. I think McWiggins has a point though. |
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Post by calabash on Aug 28, 2019 8:25:13 GMT -5
Cheers for the link. I didn't know that about deertongue at all. I think McWiggins has a point though. I think I'll give it a miss, just to be on the safe side. Plenty of other baccys without potential liver damage agents.
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 28, 2019 8:43:17 GMT -5
But plenty of other damaging side effects of tobacco depending on what study you read.
Like anything, deertongue can cause damage when used in excess. Ibuprofen is quite dangerous and will damage the kidney's yet is freely used every day. At least with a bit of deertongue in a blend, you arent using large amounts of it every day and that's even if the combustion process does not negate its possible health risk.
To each their own but deertongue is quite a nice thing to enjoy from time to time.
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Post by Baboo on Aug 28, 2019 9:36:59 GMT -5
Samuel Gawith 1792 is flavored with Deer tongue, but while I enjoy it immensely I smoke it infrequently, so doubt the risk greatly in my case.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 28, 2019 9:45:52 GMT -5
Samuel Gawith 1792 is flavored with Deer tongue, but while I enjoy it immensely I smoke it infrequently, so doubt the risk greatly in my case. I thought that was Tonquin Beans? |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 28, 2019 9:59:06 GMT -5
Samuel Gawith 1792 is flavored with Deer tongue, but while I enjoy it immensely I smoke it infrequently, so doubt the risk greatly in my case. I thought that was Tonquin Beans? So did I. I think the fact that we are smoking stuff, we can't get too bogged down with what might be a little harmful for us. If that's the case, we'd stop pipe smoking and never leave the house. |
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 28, 2019 10:08:02 GMT -5
I thought that was Tonquin Beans? So did I. I think the fact that we are smoking stuff, we can't get too bogged down with what might be a little harmful for us. If that's the case, we'd stop pipe smoking and never leave the house. That's correct thinking. |
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Post by Baboo on Aug 28, 2019 10:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 28, 2019 11:12:53 GMT -5
That's good to know. Cheers buddy. |
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