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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 8, 2019 15:31:36 GMT -5
Beyond sad....what people are going through....gonna be awhile before the Bahamas and surrounding area is restored....people still recovering in Mexico Beach, Florida and it's been a year since that one took their homes and lives. It's not like the Bahamas have any resources to call on like we do in the US. Maybe some of the billionaires that live there part time with their rape palaces will step up. But I wouldn't count on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 15:35:13 GMT -5
I thought Sean Connery had a vacation/tax exile home there, but not mentioned, aside from his Greek villa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 16:15:42 GMT -5
So if the UN donated one million that means the US donated 900,000 and the rest of the world chipped in a hundred grand. Well its not quite that bad but you get the point.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Sept 8, 2019 17:39:36 GMT -5
 A Million dollars aint💩, those poor people will never recover, see if the rest of the World steps up. HaHa, this was said in a very sarcastic vein. If the United States tax payers don’t step up it don’t get done. Before you know it Red Cross will be selling second hand shoes and clothes that were donated like they did for Hurricane Audrey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 17:52:00 GMT -5
The Red Cross passes out Lance Crackers and those 4oz colored fruit punch drinks that's what they did in Houston the last time oh and hand the city a bill. You can donate to the Red Cross three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 8, 2019 18:10:59 GMT -5
The Red Cross passes out Lance Crackers and those 4oz colored fruit punch drinks that's what they did in Houston the last time oh and hand the city a bill. You can donate to the Red Cross three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need.WOW...that much?/s |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 8, 2019 19:08:25 GMT -5
The Red Cross passes out Lance Crackers and those 4oz colored fruit punch drinks that's what they did in Houston the last time oh and hand the city a bill. You can donate to the Red Cross three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need. A friend of mine was an active duty USN Lieutenant who was assigned to assist the Red Cross on the ground following Hurricane Andrew back in '92. She was not impressed and she is seldom critical of civilian operations. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 19:09:58 GMT -5
Typhoon Faxai hitting Eastern Japan now. Power out to 950,000 people. Super Train disruptions, flooding, high winds and heavy rain.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 9, 2019 9:56:29 GMT -5
Typhoon Faxai hitting Eastern Japan now. Power out to 950,000 people. Super Train disruptions, flooding, high winds and heavy rain. Well, that certainly sucks. 😢 |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Sept 9, 2019 10:03:46 GMT -5
The Red Cross passes out Lance Crackers and those 4oz colored fruit punch drinks that's what they did in Houston the last time oh and hand the city a bill. You can donate to the Red Cross three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need. We had a tornado come through a few years back and destroy about 20 houses and yards. The community came together and started getting everything cleaned up. Red cross showed up with juice boxes and small bags of potato chips. The whole street was cleaned up within 2 days. It wasn't done by the power of a juice box and potato chips. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 9, 2019 10:26:17 GMT -5
The Red Cross gets a rating of B+. The Clinton Foundation gets an A.
My donations go to UMCOR. A+ because all overhead is funded by the UMC so 100% of donations goes to the services.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2019 11:53:49 GMT -5
The Red Cross gets a rating of B+. The Clinton Foundation gets an A. My donations go to UMCOR. A+ because all overhead is funded by the UMC so 100% of donations goes to the services. I did not know that about the Methodists. Good to read that. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 9, 2019 13:02:32 GMT -5
The Red Cross gets a rating of B+. The Clinton Foundation gets an A. My donations go to UMCOR. A+ because all overhead is funded by the UMC so 100% of donations goes to the services. I did not know that about the Methodists. Good to read that. At least once a year we took up a special collection just for UMCOR. Back then there were more of us in the US, but the world wide membership is still growing. Everything is distributed by volunteers and zero money is spent on advertising and fundraising. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 15:12:45 GMT -5
I don't send money to disasters or medical contributions I pay my taxes and would rather give to a local charity.
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Post by kxg on Sept 9, 2019 16:12:06 GMT -5
The Red Cross passes out Lance Crackers and those 4oz colored fruit punch drinks that's what they did in Houston the last time oh and hand the city a bill. You can donate to the Red Cross three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need. While I understand the American Red Cross has its problems, I would be interested to see the source of your claim above that "three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need." I worked for 2.5 years in a long term disaster recovery organization and the ARC was one of our NGO partners. While their paperwork requirements were burdensome, they came through with a lot of help for our clients. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:51:34 GMT -5
American Red Cross: There was no one else in line to help me after my apartment house burnt to the ground.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 9, 2019 16:56:44 GMT -5
American Red Cross: There was no one else in line to help me after my apartment house burnt to the ground. They do a lot of that when we have apartment fires here. A lot of people complained after Harvey, but they did a lot of good. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 17:06:35 GMT -5
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Post by oldcajun123 on Sept 9, 2019 17:12:10 GMT -5
In the 60s Mom had cancer, I was in the Navy, asked for money to go home, they would loan me at interest, told them to eat 💩, hitchhiked home. Mom had the first experiential cobalt treatments lived 25 more years, F£¥CK the Red Cross.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 9, 2019 17:19:47 GMT -5
I personally saw hundreds of people standing in line for the $400 checks that the Red Cross was handing out after Harvey. Can't make everyone happy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 17:48:57 GMT -5
They claim that most of 300 million donated to Harvey went to 232 shelters and they helped 66000 people or 4600 each. Or is it 50 million or for 232 shelters and 66000 or 760 dollars each. Depends on when you ask the question. They always say they don't really know. On their own website they claim they paid out 400 to 477000 households or 190 million. next page they say 525 million raised. The accountability or lack there of only leaves more questions than it answers. Go ahead and pick a disaster and try to do the math.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2019 17:55:19 GMT -5
I am certain the American Red Cross helps when needed. There are issues of monetary efficiency versus "overhead" and transparency. On the whole, disaster victims are better off with their help than without. From what I here, bureaucracy was sometimes an issue impeding aid and progress. That may be expected in an organization so large.
My one big disaster was the Northridge Earthquake of 1994. The Salvation Army was faster on the scene in my old community. So much depends upon the local on-scene staff. Some are more responsive than others, move quicker, take more upon themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 18:21:55 GMT -5
The true heroes in any disaster are the unsung heroes the average citizen and the local churches as well as the police and fire departments and city workers.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Sept 9, 2019 19:13:59 GMT -5
You can donate to the Red Cross three cents of every dollar makes it to those in need. This is factually very incorrect. Over 89 cents of every dollar goes directly into the services they provide.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 19:23:06 GMT -5
Is it when they claim they spend 30cets for every dollar they take in for advertising. Then in their own words claim 26 cents goes to administration. That leaves 44cents. These are their own words not mine. The numbers do not add up. Its magic math how can you spend 91 cents if you only have 44cents. So my figure of three cents is about as accurate as their accounting system.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Sept 9, 2019 19:33:00 GMT -5
Er... 4 cents goes to administrative expenses, not 26 cents. The numbers are in the summary I posted. That's coming right off their tax records (the reason such things are useful for the public to see).
There are a lot of urban myths circulating regarding the Red Cross. Almost all of them are false. I don't know what makes people want to demonize one of the world's more venerable charitable institutions, but many people seem to gleefully accept these myths, so there is obviously a reason for it. Maybe it is as simple as them (or any charity) being unable to help everyone, and those that don't get help, or as much as they wished, are bitter? I don't know...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 20:12:36 GMT -5
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Post by Stearmandriver on Sept 10, 2019 3:13:43 GMT -5
Yes, the 990 is where this information comes from. What are you reading on there that leads you to a different conclusion than Charity Navigator? I'm guessing you might not be interpreting something correctly?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 5:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by kxg on Sept 10, 2019 15:12:01 GMT -5
I can only swear to what I have experienced firsthand. After a natural disaster, chaos reigns; there are definable stages of response and recovery that last longer than one would think; the length of time depending on the size and scope of the disaster. Response organizations have specific skills and roles to play in the various stages: Emergency Response, Assessment, Clean Up, Short and Long Term Recovery. Some groups show up for one stage, others are around for the whole process, it all depends on their particular mission. The Red Cross, along with the Salvation Army and others, participate in every phase of the disaster in one form or another, this along with their wide reach, requires a large organization with a fair amount of administrative overhead. Disaster response and recovery isn't easy or simple, especially if it is more than a "one man show." Despite their reputed shortcomings, I have a great deal of respect for the Red Cross, Salvation Army, and the other NGO's and faith based organizations whose mission it is to serve those embroiled in disaster, natural or otherwise. It is difficult, physically and emotionally taxing, and often thankless.
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A Million dollars aint💩, those poor people will never recover, see if the rest of the World steps up. HaHa, this was said in a very sarcastic vein. If the United States tax payers don’t step up it don’t get done. Before you know it Red Cross will be selling second hand shoes and clothes that were donated like they did for Hurricane Audrey. 
