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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 10:28:05 GMT -5
A gentleman died and had an amazing collection of pipes, tobacco, and paraphernalia. He seemed to have a love for meerschaum pipes and I told the family I would try to sell anything I could for them. I am often amazed by meerschaum pipes but I already have enough of them so I am not buying any more.
I have listed some of his on here and on Ebay and there just doesn't seem to be much interest and maybe you can help me understand why? I fully understand that the audience here is very different than the audience on Ebay
I included the tin of Presbyterian for size reference as I know a lot of meerschaums are small. The Bacchus on the left and the Indian on the top are "large" pipes which I see selling on line for $125 or more but there has been no interest on Ebay at far lower prices which surprises me.
Can anyone help explain why these don't sell? And don't worry about hurting my feelings.....I don't have many left
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 23, 2019 10:33:43 GMT -5
They are all nice looking pipes...perhaps around Christmas time would be a better time for selling them...other than that I have no answers...each of them are fine looking pipes and should sell.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 23, 2019 10:41:50 GMT -5
I've no idea why they aren't selling. Maybe it's time of year, like Walt has said. They look nice too. I'd buy one if I had the money and lived in CONUS.
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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 10:50:58 GMT -5
Thanks gentlemen! I thought maybe there was something about meerschaum pipes I wasn't aware of. I am going to list a bunch of stuff the family has recently found here and on Ebay and see what happens. Apparently the old gentleman was a pipe hoarder, they keep finding stuff everywhere
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 23, 2019 10:54:08 GMT -5
Sounds like a great opportunity for you to get in on some outstanding buys, while making the family happy at the same time.
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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 10:56:41 GMT -5
Sounds like a great opportunity for you to get in on some outstanding buys, while making the family happy at the same time. I have gotten some good buys already but I don't need any more and I feel guilty (they honestly have no idea what the stuff is worth) so I'd rather sell the stuff at fair prices for them.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 11:05:04 GMT -5
When I first started buying pipes I bought several of large carved figural pipes on eBay for around $75 each. None of them are smokeable because of the internal construction and tight draws. The bottom to might be better smokers, but most of the the buyers won't be knowledgeable pipe people. They will be newbies attracted to the carving. Now if they have the names of recognized carvers they might be worth more, but the name should be the lead in your listing. Turkey has turned out millions of these for tourists and gift shops. The plain pipes tend to be better smokers. A good figural that is also a good smoker will be a $400+ pipe.
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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 11:13:39 GMT -5
When I first started buying pipes I bought several of large carved figural pipes on eBay for around $75 each. None of them are smokeable because of the internal construction and tight draws. The bottom to might be better smokers, but most of the the buyers won't be knowledgeable pipe people. They will be newbies attracted to the carving. Now if they have the names of recognized carvers they might be worth more, but the name should be the lead in your listing. Turkey has turned out millions of these for tourists and gift shops. The plain pipes tend to be better smokers. A good figural that is also a good smoker will be a $400+ pipe. That is great guidance! Can you tell me what to look for beyond the obvious location of the draft hole, etc? I have seen some meerschaums which had haphazardly drilled draft holes but these seem to be perfect.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 11:19:51 GMT -5
Mostly they use the screw in stem or even the plastic stem that is half the size needed for a good draw. No name or identifiable marking means tourist pipe. A large portion of the Paycock pipes are this way, but not the most recent ones before they closed up. I think that they ruined their reputation. Still, 99% of the figural pipes are just for decoration. The last one I bought was supposed to be a Special Edition Collector pipe and had all these papers and stuff. I offered $35 for it and the guy took it. It is decently carved and it's in a box on the top shelf in the back bedroom.
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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 11:28:45 GMT -5
Mostly they use the screw in stem or even the plastic stem that is half the size needed for a good draw. No name or identifiable marking means tourist pipe. A large portion of the Paycock pipes are this way, but not the most recent ones before they closed up. I think that they ruined their reputation. Still, 99% of the figural pipes are just for decoration. The last one I bought was supposed to be a Special Edition Collector pipe and had all these papers and stuff. I offered $35 for it and the guy took it. It is decently carved and it's in a box on the top shelf in the back bedroom. That's dis-heartening!
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 11:35:21 GMT -5
I looked through the meers on ebay and just in the $125 dollar range you have a huge amount of competition. Some are even top name carvers. I would suggest a consignment antique shop if you have a tourist town near you. Someplace that has festivals that bring a bunch of new people to town. You could put these in an antique shop in Fredericksburg TX, for instance and in a year probably clear your asking price. I saw one guy from Austin on eBay that had listed 5 pipes new in the cases for just over a hundred. Tons of pipes that look like yours are listed at under $30 as people just want to get rid of them. If you think they might be higher grade pipes you should find an expert or a good pipe shop that can evaluate them. If the family is close and needs the money you may think about taking one for the team if you know what I mean.
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Post by landonspop on Sept 23, 2019 11:35:34 GMT -5
Look for a local pipe club.
I am a beginner and I want a good pipe but I am not ready to spend a lot yet. I see Chinese Briars that are supposedly great pipes in the $20's and that's where I want to be. I would be afraid of ruining a good pipe at this point or getting a lemon. I wouldn't know a great deal from a piece of junk.
I only say this because there may be more like me on ebay. Almost every pipe made by a particular Chinese company is selling on ebay. Good price or value for the $ must be why. I would like a meerschaum, but wouldn't be ready to buy for first pipe after my corn cob. I like the smooth ones better, even though the carved ones are probably worth more.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 11:40:01 GMT -5
I am sorry to be the bearer of the bad news. I have been burned out on meers from ebay. I have 3 or four out of a dozen that are OK Smokers. The best is the Altinok PSF POY that was commissioned by the old forum, and I have to say that my cheapest briar is a better pipe and the Altinok was $160 in a group buy.
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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 11:44:20 GMT -5
I am sorry to be the bearer of the bad news. I have been burned out on meers from ebay. I have 3 or four out of a dozen that are OK Smokers. The best is the Altinok PSF POY that was commissioned by the old forum, and I have to say that my cheapest briar is a better pipe and the Altinok was $160 in a group buy. It just seems odd that if the draft hole is the main culprit it would be easy to turn a $35 pipe into a $400 pipe?
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 11:46:39 GMT -5
Look for a local pipe club. I am a beginner and I want a good pipe but I am not ready to spend a lot yet. I see Chinese Briars that are supposedly great pipes in the $20's and that's where I want to be. I would be afraid of ruining a good pipe at this point or getting a lemon. I wouldn't know a great deal from a piece of junk. I only say this because there may be more like me on ebay. Almost every pipe made by a particular Chinese company is selling on ebay. Good price or value for the $ must be why. I would like a meerschaum, but wouldn't be ready to buy for first pipe after my corn cob. I like the smooth ones better, even though the carved ones are probably worth more. I have a couple of the Chinese pipes and I would be very careful. One still has a strong chemical taste after 4 years and the other is supposed to be morta and was way more than 20 bucks. It's not even a decent hardwood. Just carved and stained to look like morta. I would not smoke it on a bet and it's beautiful to look at. Don't waste your money. Buy Savinelli and you won't ever be disappointed. I have almost a hundred cheap pipes that I don't even think about smoking and they don't really have any problems. Buy estate Grabows and almost any London Made pipe or Italian pipe at a good price. The Italian "basket" pipes are almost always great Smokers.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 11:50:18 GMT -5
I am sorry to be the bearer of the bad news. I have been burned out on meers from ebay. I have 3 or four out of a dozen that are OK Smokers. The best is the Altinok PSF POY that was commissioned by the old forum, and I have to say that my cheapest briar is a better pipe and the Altinok was $160 in a group buy. It just seems odd that if the draft hole is the main culprit it would be easy to turn a $35 pipe into a $400 pipe? It still wouldn't have the "Name", plus I think it around $50 for Norwood it put in a decent tenon. If you wanted to smoke one yourself or if it had sentimental value it might be worth it.
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Post by sperrytops on Sept 23, 2019 11:53:28 GMT -5
I looked through the meers on ebay and just in the $125 dollar range you have a huge amount of competition. Some are even top name carvers. I would suggest a consignment antique shop if you have a tourist town near you. Someplace that has festivals that bring a bunch of new people to town. You could put these in an antique shop in Fredericksburg TX, for instance and in a year probably clear your asking price. I saw one guy from Austin on eBay that had listed 5 pipes new in the cases for just over a hundred. Tons of pipes that look like yours are listed at under $30 as people just want to get rid of them. If you think they might be higher grade pipes you should find an expert or a good pipe shop that can evaluate them. If the family is close and needs the money you may think about taking one for the team if you know what I mean. I'll confirm what Ronv69 said above. About a year ago I shopped for a couple of Meers. I got a pretty good luck at what's available. For generic no names, you're spending from 40-60, new. For something from a known carver, it really depends on size. The smaller pipes are usually made from leftover pieces and are of a lesser quality of Meerschaum. The larger pipes from a known carver will be made from better Meerschaum block. These will run from 150 on up. But again the known carvers are working through reputable retailers like IMP that guarantee their product. I don't know what the size of your pipes are, but say if the billiard and the apple are 5 inches or less in overall length the are not going to command much in price as a used Meerschaum with no stamp. They are still attractive pipes and if good smokers, some smart fella (or gal) will pick it up and get years of enjoyment from it. As a note, I ended up ordering two Meers from a carver in Turkey direct. They are quite large pipes carved from singles blocks of high grade Meerschaum. They were carved to my spec for design. I was turned onto the carver from some fellow hobbyists in Germany. I was not disappointed. They are beautiful and great smokers. Even those were less than what you'd expect to pay for a handmade known carver briar pipe in the states. If you want to get an idea of what Meers of different size and shape go for new, both named carver and no named carver, try out this website. They do a huge business. www.meerschaummarket.com/
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Post by sperrytops on Sept 23, 2019 11:59:15 GMT -5
I am sorry to be the bearer of the bad news. I have been burned out on meers from ebay. I have 3 or four out of a dozen that are OK Smokers. The best is the Altinok PSF POY that was commissioned by the old forum, and I have to say that my cheapest briar is a better pipe and the Altinok was $160 in a group buy. It just seems odd that if the draft hole is the main culprit it would be easy to turn a $35 pipe into a $400 pipe? A 400 dollar Meer is large, carved of the best quality Meerschaum, and by a well known carver. It won't come with a bad draft hole. No offense intended, but you'll never turn a 35 dollar Meer into a 400 dollar Meer.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 23, 2019 12:03:43 GMT -5
Welcome to the Patch, Landonspop! Say hello in your own thread!
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 23, 2019 12:20:44 GMT -5
Thanks gentlemen! I thought maybe there was something about meerschaum pipes I wasn't aware of. I am going to list a bunch of stuff the family has recently found here and on Ebay and see what happens. Apparently the old gentleman was a pipe hoarder, they keep finding stuff everywhere looks like he was a regular pipe smoker to me. 😉
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 12:50:09 GMT -5
All those meers look unsmoked to me.
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Post by stone on Sept 23, 2019 14:42:56 GMT -5
All those meers look unsmoked to me. Yes, they are all unsmoked
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 23, 2019 14:50:02 GMT -5
All those meers look unsmoked to me. Yes, they are all unsmoked Probably a good reason for that. Just say'n.
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Post by peteguy on Sept 23, 2019 15:10:31 GMT -5
Carver names make a huge difference. Then I would say shape or design. Finally, size and tenon style make a difference. Why not just start them at a low price and let the market decide for you?
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Post by landonspop on Sept 23, 2019 15:27:57 GMT -5
Carver names make a huge difference. Then I would say shape or design. Finally, size and tenon style make a difference. Why not just start them at a low price and let the market decide for you? Forgive me as a newbie, but who knows every carver name and whether they are good or bad, if not known? I am sure some know some good and bad ones, but not all. Asking for knowledge only. I go to a lot of bbq contests, and there are always newcomers that come in and do well. I know a few of the big names in my area, but not across the US.
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Post by peteguy on Sept 23, 2019 15:34:24 GMT -5
Forgive me as a newbie, but who knows every carver name and whether they are good or bad, if not known? I am sure some know some good and bad ones, but not all. Asking for knowledge only. You are asking the exact question as to why I listed carver name first. At a bbq event you get to touch and taste the food. Online auction is all about trust and picture/description. Joe Schmoe may carve the best Meer pipe anyone has ever seen but not many people will take the chance on Joe Schmoe site unseen with an online auction. All opinions are just my opinions and could be just another flat earth theory.
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Post by sperrytops on Sept 23, 2019 16:36:31 GMT -5
I have about 10 Meers. 5 are from high end carver named sources. However I couldn't name the guys that made those off the top of my head without going back and looking at the pipe or the order. However, if you go to Meerschaummarket or one of the reliable pipe web sites, like Tobaccopipes or Smokingpjpes and look at their Meerschaums for sale, you can bet if they name the carver then he is one of the top ones. If ebay names a carver, just go to one of those sites I mentioned and see if you can find him. If he is in total absentia, save you're sheckles. As to why I wouldn't try one the way I'd try a new chef at the barbecue, well, like peteguy says, you'll know right away that his cooking is garbage when everyone runs for the loo. You've lost nothing but the $1.50 you spent to get in there. I'm not wasting good money on a pipe from an unknown source that may very likely not even be block Meerschaum, but some glue soaked Meerschaum fillings and powder all pressed together. Not for me. That's also why I'd never buy a Chinese Meerschaum. First, I'm guessing it's not block. Second, where are they buying their Meerschaum? I don't know that decent quality is found anywhere but the Mediterranean. The best is Turkish and it it is illegal in Turkey to export Meerschaum block that is not a finished pipe. So at least for my own opinion, I believe carver name is important. You can verify he is one of the acknowledged and respected carvers in the industry by finding him on reliable website pipe stores. And when he places his name oh the pipe or the pipe distributor (like IMP) places their name on it, you are getting good quality block and construction. Beyond that it's all up to your tastes in shape.
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Post by qmechanics on Sept 23, 2019 17:34:08 GMT -5
For me the pipes I go after are from reputable Meerschaum pipe houses like CAO, SMS, IMP etc. , even though the name of the carver is not always known. Many of these pipes are not signed, but indicate the company on the stem or in the case. All are/were known for quality block Meerschaum with notable carvers contributing. So far I have not been disappointed. Bottom line, selling pipes from known, reputable companies also goes a long way towards selling the pipes on eBay. It is likened to holding a Ben Wade Danish pipe. You kniw it came from Denmark, It was made by someone in Preben's company (A number of well known carvers passed through there), but you do not know by who (Educated guesses can be made.).The pipes have a solid reputation and typically sell for much more than unmarked freehands.
My suggestion is your title should include block Meerschaum, the carver and/or company name and any other eye grabbing honest information that brings folks to click on your items.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 23, 2019 18:28:06 GMT -5
For me the pipes I go after are from reputable Meerschaum pipe houses like CAO, SMS, IMP etc. , even though the name of the carver is not always known. Many of these pipes are not signed, but indicate the company on the stem or in the case. All are/were known for quality block Meerschaum with notable carvers contributing. So far I have not been disappointed. Bottom line, selling pipes from known, reputable companies also goes a long way towards selling the pipes on eBay. It is likened to holding a Ben Wade Danish pipe. You kniw it came from Denmark, It was made by someone in Preben's company (A number of well known carvers passed through there), but you do not know by who (Educated guesses can be made.).The pipes have a solid reputation and typically sell for much more than unmarked freehands. My suggestion is your title should include block Meerschaum, the carver and/or company name and any other eye grabbing honest information that brings folks to click on your items. I think Paykoc is a pretty well-known name, or used to be. They've been in the industry for decades.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 23, 2019 18:32:30 GMT -5
A gentleman died and had an amazing collection of pipes, tobacco, and paraphernalia. He seemed to have a love for meerschaum pipes and I told the family I would try to sell anything I could for them. I am often amazed by meerschaum pipes but I already have enough of them so I am not buying any more.
I have listed some of his on here and on Ebay and there just doesn't seem to be much interest and maybe you can help me understand why? I fully understand that the audience here is very different than the audience on Ebay
I included the tin of Presbyterian for size reference as I know a lot of meerschaums are small. The Bacchus on the left and the Indian on the top are "large" pipes which I see selling on line for $125 or more but there has been no interest on Ebay at far lower prices which surprises me.
Can anyone help explain why these don't sell? And don't worry about hurting my feelings.....I don't have many left
It all comes down to three things.
1. Keywords. If you don't have "paykoc" (the importer), "meerschaum," and "pipe" in your title, no one will ever find your auction.
Also, mark condition as "used" in the flags, even if they are not actually smoked. These are pre-owned, and you are a private seller, so this belongs in the "used" category. I know I, personally, filter out all "new" items because it's always fly by nights selling garbage.
2. Listing quality. Take lots more photos than you think you need. Even if you note that the pipes are unsmoked, you still want to get photos of the inside of the bowl.
3. Starting bid. eBay is set up with the dumbest possible auction system, because eBay the business values "user engagement" more than they value a good buying/selling process. You have to rely on folks competitive instinct and poor impulse control to get a good selling price.
If a pipe is worth say, $300, marking it with a starting bid of $100 is likely to result in a sale price of $100, because only one person ever bothered to bid. Marking the exact same pipe with a starting bid of $10 might result in a $400 final sale price, as six bidders clobber each other to get a "deal."
Setting a reserve price, or a high initial bid, is a really great way to scare off most bidders before the action even gets started. Sure, you take a risk with a low initial bid and no reserve, but you know what they say -- no risk, no reward.
If you're too risk averse for that, set up a "buy it now" auction and let people "make offers." This will reduce your total profits but also curtails risk, since you will see each offer before accepting / rejecting it.
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