landonspop
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First Name: Rick
Favorite Pipe: Still looking.
Favorite Tobacco: Black Vanilla
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Post by landonspop on Sept 23, 2019 15:23:16 GMT -5
I am an outdoorsman. Nothing like bbq smoke and gunpowder and now I want to add pipe smoke to the mix.
In other threads I have sought out advice for a few to help me find what I am looking for. I have been given ebay listing in PM's or advice on something saw but was not ready to buy for themselves at the time.
I have 2 cobs and want a Briar. I do not want a collectible for fear of ruining.
I would be open to an estate pipe that needed some work like sanding and cleaning as I work with woods, but nothing with a lot of bite marks or holes. I have watched many youtube videos and somethings look pretty easy.
My problem is I wouldn't know a great deal from a lemon.
The other way I get advice is to post pipes I like and get feedback before I buy. Any helpers out there?
I will also take advice on what to look for. I am wondering how far away we are from making pipes with 3D printers or a CNC machine to make perfect pipes. Maybe we are there already. I was told that some Chinese brands were made like this and near perfect but not valuable. But because they were made in China, the price might be better for apples to apples.
Thanks Rick
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Post by peteguy on Sept 23, 2019 15:37:50 GMT -5
I would avoid Chinese pipes. All of the ones I see on the bay are junk. I am happy to give you my two cents on any pm link you send.
How much you want to spend and how patient you are will determine what you get from ebay. Some great listings every week are bargains if you spend some time looking and have played the game for awhile.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Sept 23, 2019 15:41:37 GMT -5
Grab a "lot" of cheaper pipes on ebay. Most of the time you can find a nice stash of Grabows for a reasonable price. You can get good deals, and good practice. You'll probably find a good smoker or 2 out of them.
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Post by Baboo on Sept 23, 2019 15:44:38 GMT -5
Stick with cobs. Best deal in the house, dime a dozen, smoke sweet, die easy after an eternity of baccy bliss.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Sept 23, 2019 17:40:56 GMT -5
What's your price range?
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Post by qmechanics on Sept 23, 2019 18:06:41 GMT -5
Not all Chinese pipes are junk, though certainly many are at best suspicious. However, there are folks who specialize in pipe making, even in China lol, that can be trusted (at leaat as much as some other nonchinese pipe companies).
PS As you are new to wise pipe choices, for now I would stick with American, European etc. pipe makers and companies.
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Post by scrooge on Sept 23, 2019 18:16:50 GMT -5
Cobs 1st indoors or out. If it were me out doors A Falcon. Dr Grabow or a Viking. Metal frame Briar bowl.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Sept 23, 2019 19:17:30 GMT -5
Problem with 3d printing pipes isn't the shape but the material. I'm certain you could print technically perfectly-shaped pipes, but they'd smoke terribly and probably toxicly (is that a word? Is now.) 3d printers all use various kinds of composite or plastic materials that are malleable when warm. You can see the problem with trying to use such an object to hold a fire . Plus, a good-smoking pipe must be absorbent, to soak up the moisture generated by burning the tobacco (plus the tar and other nastiness). A 3d printed pipe would be entirely non-absorbent, which means 100% of this stuff (plus chemicals from melting plastic) would go into your mouth. I can only imagine how bad it would taste. Cobs are great, because a corncob is absorbent, so you get a dry flavorful smoke. Briar is great because it's tougher, still absorbent enough, and gives an experience some prefer in terms of holding warm, nicely grained wood. But it gets tricky here; because quality of wood and quality of workmanship can affect how well a briar smokes, whereas any cob is pretty well guaranteed to smoke well. A good briar does NOT have to be expensive, don't get me wrong... you just have to know a little bit about what to look for. Others much more knowledgeable than me can fill in the details; all I know is lighter wood is usually better (for comfort but also because it indicates more seasoned wood) with drilling that looks halfway straight.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Sept 23, 2019 19:46:59 GMT -5
If you want something to knock around, get a Country Gentleman cob. It's big and tough. If you want a cheaper, durable briar, go for a Dr. Grabow, Molina, or estate yello-bole/Kaywoodie. Note, most Grabow, Kaywoodie estates have "stingers", which are metal stem tenon extensions. They're a pain to clean, and (for me) tend to AID in gurgling/wet smokes. On the Grabows you can remove the end of the stinger, but on Kaywoodies you can't.
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Post by kxg on Sept 23, 2019 20:18:57 GMT -5
You can learn a lot from hanging around here, but the only true test of a pipe is smoking it. There is also the matter of technique, even a great pipe will smoke poorly given the opportunity and bad technique. As with many things, there is a wide price point range for good smoking briar pipes. You can get a great pipe for $20 on eBay, or you can spend hundreds or more on a great smoking artisan pipe. What I’ve learned about estate pipes, eBay or otherwise, is that condition is everything. You can resurrect most any pipe that has good bones and only needs a good cleaning. If the stem is chewed up, the shank cracked, or the bowl nearly burned through, move along. There is nearly an endless supply of decent briars on eBay and from other sellers. My best advice is to start with a reconditioned pipe and then go from there as you learn what you are looking for. Good luck!
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 24, 2019 0:27:35 GMT -5
I will also take advice on what to look for. I am wondering how far away we are from making pipes with 3D printers or a CNC machine to make perfect pipes. Maybe we are there already. Really, really far, as far as I can tell. There are already machines to assist with large fractions of pipemaking. For example, almost all factory pipes use a machine called a "fraser" -- it is the same principle as a key duplicator, just bigger and meaner and cutting knotty, difficult wood instead of nice predictable brass. A frasing machine will take a sample bowl as an input, and cut 10 or 20 or whatever bowls at a time as an output, and the big factory makers just throw out the ones that prove to have flaws. Saves on labor. But that's only the start.... after you've done the shaping, you still have to drill the thing (almost impossible to automate) and then cut a stem (you can automate this, but the results are horrible), and then finish it (no one has fully automated this.) Briarworks, down in TN, is said to have the most sophisticated automated pipe setup in the world ... but they still gotta do the finishing by hand. I was told that some Chinese brands were made like this and near perfect but not valuable. But because they were made in China, the price might be better for apples to apples. I'm told there are some great values in Chinese handmades by artisans. I've never heard of a Chinese factory pipe anyone should want to buy/own.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 24, 2019 1:19:20 GMT -5
The "cheap pipe" question comes up enough on Reddit that I have a big copy/paste to address it. Before lighting me up, please bear in mind this is targeted at reddit users who tend to be young, poor, and have no idea what they want.
I am pasting old content, meant for another audience! for this audience, you are free to disagree, and I hope you indicate all the places my old copy/paste isn't relevant.
But the original poster of this thread asked for an inexpensive briar pipe, and I have an easily re-formatted post, and i'mma put it here just in case it helps.
The "cheap pipe" question comes up enough that I have a big old copy/paste to address it.
In your price bracket, you're going to be looking at mass-produced "factory" pipes rather than handmades. And that's not a bad place to be!
We live in a golden age for properly-made, attractive pipes at low prices.
Under $30:
* Medico ($23.50, shipped to your door!) * Yello Bole
Under $50:
* Barracini * Dr Grabow * Savinelli Series III * Rossi * Morgan (Bones) * Bruyere Ste Claude * Kaywoodie
Under $100:
* Ropp * Savinelli * Molina * Nording * Eriksen * Briarworks * Chacom * Butz Chocquin * Stanwell * Vauen
Most of the pipes made today are less than a hundred dollars. Most of them are very fine pipes!
Just buy something you like the feel of in your hand, from a reputable pipe manufacturer, and you'll do just fine.
_Personally_, speaking only to my own taste in pipes, I think the best bang for your buck is a modern-production Kaywoodie, or the classic French brands (Ropp, Chacom, BC). High quality briar and classic Anglo-French design, sold at the lowest possible prices.
But you really can't go wrong. _Everybody_ is making great pipes at lower prices than ever before.
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Short version: If you have a local brick and mortar, pick a pipe that feels good in your hand, from a reputable pipemaker, and just, well, go with it.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 24, 2019 2:07:23 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum. You've asked a good question.
I have quite a few briar pipes, but I smoke my cobs about 95% of the time. They are very forgiving, especially to someone who is starting out.
If you really want a briar pipe, go with the suggested options. But let me throw another in the mix...
Try a Morgan bones pipe. They are cheap and really good smokers.
I wish you well on your journey. Hang around here and you'll learn loads... And in no time you'll have tons more pipes too.
P.S. I moved this thread to the pipes and PAD section. Help centre is for help on the forum (how do I post pictures, change avatar, etc.)
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Post by kxg on Sept 24, 2019 19:00:16 GMT -5
I second (or third) the Morgan Bones for a new briar. They are solid smokers and inexpensive. I have four, three I smoke regularly and one I’m thinking about staining, just for fun.
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Post by Low and Slow on Sept 24, 2019 21:57:25 GMT -5
Welcome from Texas!
You seem to be covered on pipe acquisition info. I'd just like to add, that since you like BBQ smoke you should try Fusilier's Ration. Smells like BBQ brisket out of the tin(to me anyway), may be something you may enjoy if you haven't already. Comes in a pressed crumble cake, just need a sharp knife and a cob, just lovely.
You're in good hands here as a new smoker, this site is like a network of top notch tutors. Ask, and ye shall recieve. Probably more than you asked for, but hey more info is better than not enough. Good luck and welcome to the journey!
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Post by insignia100 on Sept 25, 2019 20:19:10 GMT -5
Morgan Bones is a great option, or for a bit more, check out the unfinished Savinellis at thepipenook.com. A 320 KS is the next on my list.
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landonspop
New Member
Don't take me wrong, I have a dry, twisted, and sarcastic sense of humor.
Posts: 56
First Name: Rick
Favorite Pipe: Still looking.
Favorite Tobacco: Black Vanilla
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Post by landonspop on Sept 25, 2019 22:55:26 GMT -5
Morgan Bones is a great option, or for a bit more, check out the unfinished Savinellis at thepipenook.com. A 320 KS is the next on my list. The Savi's bring up another question. Not sure If I can continue asking questions and get answers here or need to start another thread. Question is, too filter or not to filter. I am surprised to see how many filtered pipes are being bought on e-bay. I figured unfiltered was the true way to smoke a pipe. I have read where there is no proof filtered helps health wise, but if it did, that would be a plus. But what costs in taste is paid to go filter? I have never been a true smoker of anything, and even pipes are going to be a part time hobby. So I am all about the health, but if occasionally smoking, do I want to give up flavor?
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Post by insignia100 on Sept 26, 2019 0:18:02 GMT -5
I started with filtered pipes and have moved to no filter. If in down, get a pipe with a filter. You can always get an adapter to replace the filter if you want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 0:34:02 GMT -5
Try it both ways. I have adapters in 1/2 of my filter pipes, but some smoke better with.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 26, 2019 2:56:22 GMT -5
Morgan Bones is a great option, or for a bit more, check out the unfinished Savinellis at thepipenook.com. A 320 KS is the next on my list. The Savi's bring up another question. Not sure If I can continue asking questions and get answers here or need to start another thread. Question is, too filter or not to filter. I am surprised to see how many filtered pipes are being bought on e-bay. I figured unfiltered was the true way to smoke a pipe. I have read where there is no proof filtered helps health wise, but if it did, that would be a plus. But what costs in taste is paid to go filter? I have never been a true smoker of anything, and even pipes are going to be a part time hobby. So I am all about the health, but if occasionally smoking, do I want to give up flavor? For me, the filter helps stop the pipe from gurgling as it stops my drool from sliding into the bowl. I don't notice any other difference. However, many filters restrict the draw too much for me, but even when I smoke without the filter, any moisture collects in the filter chamber and do there's still no gurgle.
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Post by instymp on Sept 26, 2019 16:47:06 GMT -5
Morgan Bones is a great option, or for a bit more, check out the unfinished Savinellis at thepipenook.com. A 320 KS is the next on my list. The Savi's bring up another question. Not sure If I can continue asking questions and get answers here or need to start another thread. Question is, too filter or not to filter. I am surprised to see how many filtered pipes are being bought on e-bay. I figured unfiltered was the true way to smoke a pipe. I have read where there is no proof filtered helps health wise, but if it did, that would be a plus. But what costs in taste is paid to go filter? I have never been a true smoker of anything, and even pipes are going to be a part time hobby. So I am all about the health, but if occasionally smoking, do I want to give up flavor? Tell her it does! lol I think many Sav's come with the adapter if you don't want to use the filter.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 26, 2019 18:28:23 GMT -5
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Post by Goldbrick on Sept 28, 2019 11:38:37 GMT -5
a second vote for Pipestud , and there's a sale on estates at smokingpipes.com
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Post by monbla256 on Sept 28, 2019 14:14:12 GMT -5
I would HIGHLY recomend ANY Edwards made before 1990. They are probably the absolute BEST made and smoking production pipes in the US. They are some of the most reasoably priced used pipes around. The most to be found are on e-prey but other used pipe dealers have them as well. I've smoked 'em since the late '60s and can attest to their build quality and smoking.
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