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Post by exbenedict on Oct 14, 2019 20:37:55 GMT -5
So I picked up handful of no name estate pipes a while back and got them cleaned up. They all smoke really well, and I am quite happy with them......except for one. I picked it up last night to smoke it for the first time, and as I was walking downstairs to go lunting, the pipe was clenched in my mouth, and halfway down....the bottom half of the pipe slid out and fell down the stairs. Apparently, the tenon part of the stem is a bit TOO loose, and I was wondering if there is a way to bulk that up, or shore it up to make it so the pipe doesn't fall apart when using it?
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Post by insignia100 on Oct 14, 2019 20:40:09 GMT -5
I think I've heard of using teflon/plumber's tape wrapped around the tenon to snug the fit up? Seems like it would work alright.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 20:40:37 GMT -5
Some folks use nail polish or you use good ol spit to swell the hole bit by bit over time.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 14, 2019 20:48:50 GMT -5
I bought a series of tapered pins like for an outboard propeller retainer pin. I find the right size, stick the tenon in boiling water for a minute and push the pin in to slightly expand the tenon. If I overshoot I just warm it up again and stick in the shank.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Oct 14, 2019 22:39:22 GMT -5
It depends if it's an integral tenon or delrin insert. If it's an integral, you could try Ron's method, but you have to be really careful not to bend the tenon out of alignment. Or, an easier way is to wet the mortise and let it sit for a couple days. You could also use a thin layer of CA glue in the mortise. The heating method won't work on a delrin tenon, because it has no shape memory.
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Post by Mac on Oct 14, 2019 22:50:12 GMT -5
Beeswax might do the trick. Wetting the mortise might do the trick. Heating the tenon may do the trick. (Just heat it, and it may expand back to its original shape).
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Post by exbenedict on Oct 14, 2019 23:12:56 GMT -5
thanks! i'll give a few of these a try.
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Post by mgtarheel on Oct 14, 2019 23:16:04 GMT -5
I vote for the beeswax. Will not do any damage. You will have to reapply every now and then.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 14, 2019 23:47:43 GMT -5
Clean the mortise very well, swab with water and let the briar absorb it without the stem in...let it rest a few days if still loose try again...this snugged up a pipe of mine.
If you have distilled water, that would be the way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 8:03:21 GMT -5
Sometimes if the pipe is old and hasn't been smoked for a long period, just smoking it a few times will tighten'er back up. I'd try that before trying any other method that could make it get stuck permanently sir.
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Post by Wizard on Oct 15, 2019 10:05:01 GMT -5
Clean the mortise very well, swab with water and let the briar absorb it without the stem in...let it rest a few days if still loose try again...this snugged up a pipe of mine. If you have distilled water, that would be the way to go. This method has worked for me as well. 🧙🏼♂️ |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 10:36:13 GMT -5
It depends if it's an integral tenon or delrin insert. If it's an integral, you could try Ron's method, but you have to be really careful not to bend the tenon out of alignment. Or, an easier way is to wet the mortise and let it sit for a couple days. You could also use a thin layer of CA glue in the mortise. The heating method won't work on a delrin tenon, because it has no shape memory. I should have included a disclaimer. (If you have never fixed anything in your life and you value the pipe more than your family, don't try this) I can fix anything and I am shocked by the lack of the younger generations to understand how anything works. In the case of bending the tenon out of line, couldn't it just be warmed up and straightened out. Like I said, warm it up and stick it in! |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 15, 2019 10:47:49 GMT -5
It depends if it's an integral tenon or delrin insert. If it's an integral, you could try Ron's method, but you have to be really careful not to bend the tenon out of alignment. Or, an easier way is to wet the mortise and let it sit for a couple days. You could also use a thin layer of CA glue in the mortise. The heating method won't work on a delrin tenon, because it has no shape memory. I should have included a disclaimer. (If you have never fixed anything in your life and you value the pipe more than your family, don't try this) I can fix anything and I am shocked by the lack of the younger generations to understand how anything works. In the case of bending the tenon out of line, couldn't it just be warmed up and straightened out. Like I said, warm it up and stick it in! anything? |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 10:59:02 GMT -5
Within reason, and given enough time. I admit that age has taken its toll on me. I know how to fix a lot more than I am actually able to handle. Automatic transmissions, for example. Racing valve job on a 426 Hemi. Replacing foundation beams under a house. Kodak film processing machines. Toasters, hair dryers, washing machines and dryers,air conditioning on cars and homes, and more. I have built houses and hot rods, custom rifles, animal traps, concrete work, hundreds of computers repaired, tube radios and TVs, furniture, and a lot more than I can remember. No surgery on humans though.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 15, 2019 11:01:39 GMT -5
Within reason, and given enough time. I admit that age has taken its toll on me. I know how to fix a lot more than I am actually able to handle. Automatic transmissions, for example. Racing valve job on a 426 Hemi. Replacing foundation beams under a house. Kodak film processing machines. Toasters, hair dryers, washing machines and dryers,air conditioning on cars and homes, and more. I have built houses and hot rods, custom rifles, animal traps, concrete work, hundreds of computers repaired, tube radios and TVs, furniture, and a lot more than I can remember. No surgery on humans though. I'm impressed. I wish I had half of your skill. Alas, even fixing a loose tenon is close to my limit. I've done the heat fix myself with good results. |
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Post by calabash on Oct 15, 2019 11:31:00 GMT -5
It depends if it's an integral tenon or delrin insert. If it's an integral, you could try Ron's method, but you have to be really careful not to bend the tenon out of alignment. Or, an easier way is to wet the mortise and let it sit for a couple days. You could also use a thin layer of CA glue in the mortise. The heating method won't work on a delrin tenon, because it has no shape memory. I should have included a disclaimer. (If you have never fixed anything in your life and you value the pipe more than your family, don't try this) I can fix anything and I am shocked by the lack of the younger generations to understand how anything works. In the case of bending the tenon out of line, couldn't it just be warmed up and straightened out. Like I said, warm it up and stick it in! That's what she said... |
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 11:35:50 GMT -5
I was offered a nice metal lathe last year and I turned it down. 5 of my nephews are machinists and I wish I could learn more about machining. I think I would have been good at it. One nephew was a master welder and he was going to teach me, but he died first. I guess it depends on how a person is raised. For my generation most of the adults around us were involved in manufacturing or other similar trades. I suppose if a person is raised by a college professor and a nurse they won't be exposed to handy work at an impressionable age. The Scout leaders who were also my friends dads gave me a good start.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 11:41:12 GMT -5
You know, when you get to be 69, you see life's opportunities narrowing. 😒☠️☠️
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Oct 15, 2019 11:44:34 GMT -5
So I picked up handful of no name estate pipes a while back and got them cleaned up. They all smoke really well, and I am quite happy with them......except for one. I picked it up last night to smoke it for the first time, and as I was walking downstairs to go lunting, the pipe was clenched in my mouth, and halfway down....the bottom half of the pipe slid out and fell down the stairs. Apparently, the tenon part of the stem is a bit TOO loose, and I was wondering if there is a way to bulk that up, or shore it up to make it so the pipe doesn't fall apart when using it?
I had this happen with an old pipe... I cant even remember which one. The way to solve it is to smoke it. After I smoked it for about 2 weeks the tar made the stem "stick" to the bowl of the pipe. Its never been a problem since then. Hope this helps brother. Do this before doing anything drastic
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 11:48:04 GMT -5
It depends if it's an integral tenon or delrin insert. If it's an integral, you could try Ron's method, but you have to be really careful not to bend the tenon out of alignment. Or, an easier way is to wet the mortise and let it sit for a couple days. You could also use a thin layer of CA glue in the mortise. The heating method won't work on a delrin tenon, because it has no shape memory. I should have included a disclaimer. (If you have never fixed anything in your life and you value the pipe more than your family, don't try this) I can fix anything and I am shocked by the lack of the younger generations to understand how anything works. In the case of bending the tenon out of line, couldn't it just be warmed up and straightened out. Like I said, warm it up and stick it in! Sadly Not much chance, once a tenon has been bent or squished its next to impossible to get it realigned for a proper fit to the shank (no gap,daylight peeking through where the stem and shank meet) without the proper tools to either reface the stem, replace the tenon, cut a new stem. It all boils down to "You gotta use care when tiring to refit a loose stem" and know what your doing ta boot.
Of course, then there's the guys that don't know what there doing and are just too lucky and get away with it once.  |
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Post by briarbuck on Oct 15, 2019 11:49:59 GMT -5
I've used a tea candle and then tapping the tennon on a hard surface. I know it deforms it some so I wouldn't do this on a high end pipe, but it works.
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Post by peteguy on Oct 15, 2019 12:19:15 GMT -5
Easiest way is to heat the tenon and do nothing else. I can't recall who it is but someone out there, Walt Cannoy maybe, has been doing this a long time. It is basically the same thing as smoking it imo. As mentioned earlier, the tenon will find its way home and return to size. If this doesn't work then proceed to the other diy fixes, assuming the pipe has no real value. If it has value let a professional do it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 15, 2019 12:20:14 GMT -5
I should have included a disclaimer. (If you have never fixed anything in your life and you value the pipe more than your family, don't try this) I can fix anything and I am shocked by the lack of the younger generations to understand how anything works. In the case of bending the tenon out of line, couldn't it just be warmed up and straightened out. Like I said, warm it up and stick it in! Sadly Not much chance, once a tenon has been bent or squished its next to impossible to get it realigned for a proper fit to the shank (no gap,daylight peeking through where the stem and shank meet) without the proper tools to either reface the stem, replace the tenon, cut a new stem. It all boils down to "You gotta use care when tiring to refit a loose stem" and know what your doing ta boot.
Of course, then there's the guys that don't know what there doing and are just too lucky and get away with it once. I guess I'm damn lucky, I have gotten away with it a half dozen times!  |
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Post by peteguy on Oct 15, 2019 12:20:26 GMT -5
My memory is still intact. Old age be damned.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Oct 20, 2019 16:41:25 GMT -5
Clean the mortise very well, swab with water and let the briar absorb it without the stem in...let it rest a few days if still loose try again...this snugged up a pipe of mine. If you have distilled water, that would be the way to go. This is what I have done with pretty good success |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 22:41:38 GMT -5
So I picked up handful of no name estate pipes a while back and got them cleaned up. They all smoke really well, and I am quite happy with them......except for one. I picked it up last night to smoke it for the first time, and as I was walking downstairs to go lunting, the pipe was clenched in my mouth, and halfway down....the bottom half of the pipe slid out and fell down the stairs. Apparently, the tenon part of the stem is a bit TOO loose, and I was wondering if there is a way to bulk that up, or shore it up to make it so the pipe doesn't fall apart when using it? My friend Steve Laug of RebornPipes says for loose stems that don’t firm up with heat to try using a q-tip dipped in water to wet the wood inside the mortise so that it will expand slightly and make the tenon a little more snug. Most of the estates I have that are like that firm up just enough after a few puffs of warm air, condensation and smoke so it may be that for the one you have was just still too cold when you walked downstairs. |
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Post by Penzaholic on Oct 21, 2019 23:42:23 GMT -5
Excellent video, makes me want to start a pipe repair shop.  |
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