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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 19:03:26 GMT -5
okay, so hubby doesn't have any interest in smoking a pipe, but he is a woodworker and loves a challenge, and he is fascinated by the prospect of making a pipe. I have been looking at hundreds of pipes, and sometimes he looks at them with me, but so far he really hasn't seen any he likes. he likes for the natural grain to be shown off. SO, he is looking for information, particularly on wood. Is there some place he can find out what the characteristics are of briar so he will know what other kinds of woods would work tolerably well for pipe making (he's into variety) I'm going to look for some of those briar blocks that have the stems attached to try to get him started.
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Post by Baboo on Jan 29, 2017 19:11:26 GMT -5
Briar, Apple Wood, and Mediterranean Olive Wood are great choices. There are different grades and characteristics of briar woods e.g., grain, burl eyes, etc... good luck!!! ENJOY the adventure!
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Post by Motto on Jan 29, 2017 19:33:34 GMT -5
Hi Dan is correct , I did some pro wood courses & read the books & mags between college, so agree, but can I add the Poles & Ukrainians & Russians do excellent folk work in pear, but just get a log of whatever has fallen off a local tree practise makes perfect, but stick to friends and family, is my suggestion,I have MissourI Meerschaum in maple & cherry, & if you cannot get Med Olive wood, try African but almost any wood can get used in my humble opinion, some woods do give off toxic fumes & toxic dust, so take care, but with a meerschaum inlay or metal inlay, think about it, for example you have bought Chinese pipes with metal inlays, well use a steel whisky cup, with holes in for starters, even plastic made in 3rd printers, with metal whisky cups, would sell locally for folksy arty local wood craft. Most fruit woods are non toxic , perhaps walnut or Oak traditional pipe woods, a folksy approach would be a good start , rather than compete with Dunhill briars, a hobbit churchwarden style, Mr Brogs church warden stems are cheap ebay, look at some Dagner YouTube videos for example and this site of the Dagners, dagnerpipes.comBut another route is customising pipes used estates, budget cobs & basket pipes, look at sidstavros videos for example. How about customising pipes with glass gems & stones and pyrography & inlays & relief carving for the young & hippy types etc, also horn & brass & copper & aluminium extension stems to the shank. Is it worth trying to compete with the big artisans, most started young with apprenticeship to the big names. But ask the experts on here but we all have our twopenneth worth . Imagination , novelty and efficiency can compete with China, little high tech meister home family workers. With good networks online bro's & sissies. If you want a college degree the do a distance learning degree, I would not waste money on campus, & I have been to five quality Universities for my sins....why do you think I appear crazy to regular guys...on here on a bad day, it is just words guys...as they say my bark us bigger than my bite...PS , I whittle knotty pine wood a basic hard cutting softwood, but it forms your hands and eyes, with a good quality flex cut jack knife & my Sheffield whittling blades, remember modern & traditional gives the balance. But do not get stuck on getting expensive gear, you can do it with a whittling knife, & a basic variable speed drill with attachments , get a feel for the wood & shapes before going high tech, do not fall for the dremel sell, but I like the arbortech gear good luck, bye.
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Post by poppasmurfjr on Jan 29, 2017 19:36:43 GMT -5
vermontfreehand.com/ ... they will have anything/everything he will need. The biggest problem home wannabe lets make a pipe people is they have no clue as to the wood they are trying to use. Yes, the wood might have the right "characteristics" to make a pipe from but you need a well aged/cured block of wood. It needs to not only be the right moisture content that only comes from sometimes many years of air curing but it also depends on the wood itself and how sappy the wood is and what kinds of flavors that sap puts into the wood. Check out the link above, they have various sized blanks and of various species along with a few kits and also a book you can buy him as a lovey dovey present for him to read and see what he is really getting into in not only shaping but to the point of properly finishing it.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 19:37:47 GMT -5
Briar, Apple Wood, and Mediterranean Olive Wood are great choices. There are different grades and characteristics of briar woods e.g., grain, burl eyes, etc... good luck!!! ENJOY the adventure!
thanks! hubby wants to find a burl to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 19:39:46 GMT -5
Olive is some of the prettiest pipe wood, but I also think hickory and cherry are nice.
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Post by Baboo on Jan 29, 2017 19:41:14 GMT -5
By the way: As an aside avocation, I am a purveyer/supplier of some of the finest Exotic Woods on Earth, many already kiln-dried, to include Olive, Afzelia, etc... Some samples that may be in stock (Afzelia Burl)...
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Post by trailboss on Jan 29, 2017 19:42:10 GMT -5
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 19:42:12 GMT -5
Hi Dan is correct , I did a Carpenters & joiners & furniture course & read the books & mags between college, so agree, but can I add the Poles & Ukrainians & Russians do excellent folk work in pear, but just get a a log of whatever has fallen off a local tree practise makes perfect, but stick to friends and family, is my suggestion,I have MissourI Mersham in maple & cherry, & if you cannot get Med Olive wood, try African but almost any wood can get used in my humble opinion, some woods do give off toxic fumes & toxic dust, so take care, but with a meets haul or metal inlay, think about it, for example you have bought Chinese pipes with metal inlays, well use a steel whisky cup, with holes in for starters, even plastic made in 3rd printers, with metal whisky cups, would sell locally for folksy arty local wood craft. Most fruit woods are non toxic , perhaps walnut or Oak traditional pipe woods, a folksy approach would be a good start , rather than compete with Dunhill briars, a hobbit churchwarden style, Mr Brogs church warden stems are cheap ebay, look at some Dagner YouTube videos for example and this site of the Dagners, dagnerpipes.comBut another route is customising pipes used estates, budget cobs & basket pipes, look at sidstavros videos for example. How about customising pipes with glass gems & stones and pyrography & inlays & relief carving for the young & hippy types etc. But ask the experts on here but we all have our twopenneth worth . But do not get stuck on getting expensive gear, you can do it with a whittling knife, & a basic variable speed drill with attachments , get a feel for the wood & shapes before going high tech, Good luck, bye.
yeah, hubby is also wondering what kind of equipment he needs. he has quite a bit of woodworking equipment, but isn't sure which kinds are best for shaping.
i have been playing with the idea of buying MM seconds and decorating them to sell, but wondered if there is a market for that kind of thing.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 19:45:25 GMT -5
By the way: As an aside avocation, I am a purveyer/supplier of some of the finest Exotic Woods on Earth, many already kiln-dried, to include Olive, Afzelia, etc... Some samples that may be in stock (Afzelia Burl)...
hubby is VERY interested in what you have. please PM me a list. also never heard of Afzelia before....
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Post by Baboo on Jan 29, 2017 19:49:40 GMT -5
Will PM with pics of current selections later this week. :-)
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Post by poppasmurfjr on Jan 29, 2017 19:51:08 GMT -5
Before he goes out and searches for some burl or some log or really before he even considers just using any ole block of wood ... research it and you will be surprised but some woods are boiled and boiled and boiled and boiled to get the saps and craps out of the blocks before putting those blocks on racks for months or years and sometimes many years to air dry/cure before being ready to be sold to those who want to make a pipe. It is not as easy as just walking through the woods and finding a chunk of wood and thinking it will make a great pipe.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 19:54:35 GMT -5
vermontfreehand.com/ ... they will have anything/everything he will need. The biggest problem home wannabe lets make a pipe people is they have no clue as to the wood they are trying to use. Yes, the wood might have the right "characteristics" to make a pipe from but you need a well aged/cured block of wood. It needs to not only be the right moisture content that only comes from sometimes many years of air curing but it also depends on the wood itself and how sappy the wood is and what kinds of flavors that sap puts into the wood. Check out the link above, they have various sized blanks and of various species along with a few kits and also a book you can buy him as a lovey dovey present for him to read and see what he is really getting into in not only shaping but to the point of properly finishing it.
the book looks perfect! thank you!
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 19:55:54 GMT -5
Will PM with pics of current selections later this week. :-)
THANK YOU!
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Post by Baboo on Jan 29, 2017 19:58:57 GMT -5
Not only are the woods that I provide seasoned (air dried) for several years, they are also professionally kiln-dried prior for stability. Good info, poppasmurfjr .
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Post by trailboss on Jan 29, 2017 20:00:53 GMT -5
Have your husband check this site out....many accomplished pipe makers have spoken highly of how it helped them out, and they have a great network of guys that are giving of time and advice. www.pipemakersforum.com/
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Post by Motto on Jan 29, 2017 20:05:33 GMT -5
vermontfreehand.com/ ... they will have anything/everything he will need. The biggest problem home wannabe lets make a pipe people is they have no clue as to the wood they are trying to use. Yes, the wood might have the right "characteristics" to make a pipe from but you need a well aged/cured block of wood. It needs to not only be the right moisture content that only comes from sometimes many years of air curing but it also depends on the wood itself and how sappy the wood is and what kinds of flavors that sap puts into the wood. Check out the link above, they have various sized blanks and of various species along with a few kits and also a book you can buy him as a lovey dovey present for him to read and see what he is really getting into in not only shaping but to the point of properly finishing it. Hi Poppa, good point sir, home cured wood takes time but to practise shaping in green woods is free, but you can buy partly cured wood which can be stored & cut into blanks & with some skill can be cured in an oven or microwave with practise , cheap green wood from the local woods can be experimented on & if you have a supply for free think of selling cured blanks, I growing market for townies, also their are relatively inexpensive electronic devices to measure moisture content with high accuracy, , your hubby sounds experienced with wood Lady M, more so than myself probably in his own way but I am just sharing ideas for general use of allcomers, as your hubby knows but newbies do not perhaps start simple &use ingenuity before buying expensive gear, as you know you have to buy cheap or free & work with efficient semi production line, with time & motion efficiently to be able to make even a living, it is a sharks market for gear, so excuse the space guys & gal bye for now, I was retreating hours ago..
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Post by Baboo on Jan 29, 2017 20:09:24 GMT -5
My Exotic Wood blanks are usually at a 7-11% moisture content, depending on ambient air, +/- 2%. Blanks are sized at approx. 2-1/4" sq. x 4-1/2" length, sometimes larger/smaller.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 20:18:33 GMT -5
Have your husband check this site out....many accomplished pipe makers have spoken highly of how it helped them out, and they have a great network of guys that are giving of time and advice. www.pipemakersforum.com/
thanks! will have to check it out.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 29, 2017 20:25:08 GMT -5
your hubby sounds experienced with wood Lady M, more so than myself probably in his own way but I am just sharing ideas for general use of allcomers, as your hubby knows but newbies do not perhaps start simple &use ingenuity before buying expensive gear, as you know you have to buy cheap or free & work with efficient semi production line, with time & motion efficiently to be able to make even a living, it is a sharks market for gear, so excuse the space guys & gal bye for now, I was retreating hours ago..
yes, he is quite experienced and researches areas he is unfamiliar with thoroughly before he jumps in, which is why we are asking questions -- we are in the research phase!
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Post by Motto on Jan 29, 2017 21:04:20 GMT -5
your hubby sounds experienced with wood Lady M, more so than myself probably in his own way but I am just sharing ideas for general use of allcomers, as your hubby knows but newbies do not perhaps start simple &use ingenuity before buying expensive gear, as you know you have to buy cheap or free & work with efficient semi production line, with time & motion efficiently to be able to make even a living, it is a sharks market for gear, so excuse the space guys & gal bye for now, I was retreating hours ago..
yes, he is quite experienced and researches areas he is unfamiliar with thoroughly before he jumps in, which is why we are asking questions -- we are in the research phase!
Hi thanks for your comment , I hope you may share your research with us on the open forum or whatever, I try to share for all comers , the waters of life are for free , byel
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Post by Motto on Jan 29, 2017 21:11:57 GMT -5
By the way: As an aside avocation, I am a purveyer/supplier of some of the finest Exotic Woods on Earth, many already kiln-dried, to include Olive, Afzelia, etc... Some samples that may be in stock (Afzelia Burl)... Hi Daniel , I am impressed that is wonderful grain, I made a chance comment to a cousin over Xmas & he mentioned some of his neighbours before they lost their farm often dug up some interesting specimens of ancient oaks & such from their farms , but to busy to pursue the tip...bye. Ps see saws & roundabouts, my friend whether dealing in animal flesh or tree wood, peace.
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Post by ladybriarpipes on Feb 1, 2017 9:44:43 GMT -5
Yes, you can make a pipe from most American hardwoods, though most tend to burn out over time. PLEASE, everyone, take a look at this website about wood toxicity before venturing into alternate woods. Wood Allerigies and Toxicity Please note that there are quite a few woods that are not on this list. Also remember, just because you don't have a problem working a wood doesn't mean that the person on the other end won't. I cannot work Olive at all, or even be around it while it is worked. I have a severe respiratory reaction to it. There is no way I would ever try to smoke an Olive pipe. Briar burl IS NOT what a woodworker thinks of as a burl. It is actually a lump between the roots and trunk of the briar tree itself (just below or at the surface). After the burl is harvested it is cut into blocks and boiled for days to remove all the resins and saps in the wood. Then it takes months to dry properly. There is a very good reason briar has been the wood of choice for pipes for well over 100 years. It really isn't that expensive, though one can drop some serious coin on larger and more tightly grained blocks. Briar is also very resistant to heat and burning when cured properly. Get a pipe kit from Vermont Freehand as suggested. You will be happy with the kit you get and Steve's customer service is second to none.
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Post by Motto on Feb 1, 2017 10:55:59 GMT -5
PS, there are many good filter mouth & eye masks crucial for health & safety, do not take chance with your eyes, there are also masks for pumping in fresh air , worth investing in , perhaps.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Feb 1, 2017 13:20:31 GMT -5
I bought the book on pipe making from Vermont Freehand last night for hubby to research. Thanks for the link, that will be very helpful!
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Post by sidstavros on Feb 1, 2017 17:20:29 GMT -5
Keep in mind that the Mediterranean Olive may leave a bitter taste or been a little bit toxic to someone who hasn't met that tree in his life. I don't agree with the theory "it's a wood so it's good for a pipe", to a Danish for example the smoking in an Olive pipe may end up to a disaster, the same can happen when a Greek smells a wood from America which has never touch it before etc. I have smoke Ukraine Pear pipes for example with no problem but with Cherry wood pipes i had a big one. Another example are the Corn Cobs, smoke one from Aristocob which works with Universities to make the proper cob and smoke also a chinese copy with a cheap low quality cob...bliach!
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Post by Baboo on Feb 1, 2017 17:50:44 GMT -5
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Post by yaddy306 on Feb 2, 2017 15:45:14 GMT -5
Yeah, there's a reason briar is a preferred wood for making pipes, and it's not because it is the prettiest or easiest to work with.
If you just wanted to make a pipe that was nice to look at, any wood might do. But if you're wanting a wood that will withstand the intense heat present in the bowl without burning or expanding/contracting/warping too much, and not give off toxic or unpleasant fumes, then your range of possible candidates shrinks rapidly.
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Post by crapgame on Feb 5, 2017 13:34:46 GMT -5
My wife is very creative but just can't envision negative space to carve a pipe...
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