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Post by libertysmoke on Nov 8, 2019 1:17:31 GMT -5
Might wanna' try some Sam Gawith & GH Blends / flakes ... There's a lot of flavor there . Also , what Cramps said about the retrohale = muy importantes ! Slow & easy on the draw ... I Hope you stick with it .
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 8, 2019 1:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 8, 2019 3:25:10 GMT -5
Might wanna' try some Sam Gawith & GH Blends / flakes ... There's a lot of flavor there . Also , what Cramps said about the retrohale = muy importantes ! Slow & easy on the draw ... I Hope you stick with it . Breath smoking paired with retrohaling does wonders.👍 |
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 8, 2019 12:25:12 GMT -5
I haven't read all posts yet, but I had the same issue as you. People were describing what they taste, like hay, vanilla, cherry, woody, etc... And all I could taste is smoke.
All I can say is that when I smoke, I take a little smoke up my nose as I exhale (not retrohale but breathe in some of the exhaled smoke). I get some flavours through that, but it's still smoke to me.
But with all that said, I can distinguish between one tobacco and another. It's kinda like everything tastes like smoke but a different variation of smoke - eg. Smoke with a hint of cherry, smoke with a hint of vanilla, smoke with a hint of hay.
It's taken a few years to work this out but at least I can taste SOMETHING.
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Post by kbareit on Nov 8, 2019 16:42:31 GMT -5
I was where you were at a year ago and all I can tell you is to relax and enjoy the smoke. Don't try to taste it let it come to you. The harder I tried to taste flavors from reviews I read the further away I got, once I relaxed and didn't think about it the flavors started to come through. Slow down and relax and it will get better.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 8, 2019 16:47:39 GMT -5
I was where you were at a year ago and all I can tell you is to relax and enjoy the smoke. Don't try to taste it let it come to you. The harder I tried to taste flavors from reviews I read the further away I got, once I relaxed and didn't think about it the flavors started to come through. Slow down and relax and it will get better. What Ken said!! |
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Post by kxg on Nov 8, 2019 18:39:04 GMT -5
I was where you were at a year ago and all I can tell you is to relax and enjoy the smoke. Don't try to taste it let it come to you. The harder I tried to taste flavors from reviews I read the further away I got, once I relaxed and didn't think about it the flavors started to come through. Slow down and relax and it will get better. +1 Many of us started with aromatics because, well, they smelled so good and smelled good when someone else was smoking them. It took me awhile, back when I started smoking a pipe several decades ago to move on to non-flavored blends. Since I've taken the pipe back up, I've enjoyed the non-aro adventure. Slowly I'm getting to the point that I can differentiate the tastes that so many describe. Still, a long ways to go, but oh there are so many tobaccos to try! Keep the faith and it will come. |
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Post by sperrytops on Nov 8, 2019 18:48:22 GMT -5
You've got a lot of advice up there, but I'll throw my two cents in anyway. If you smoke slow and steady and savor the cloud, you'l pick up more flavor whatever tobacco you're smoking. Retro hale is another winner. Aro's just don't smell like they do in the tin, and I stay away from those as they burn hot and the flavor degenerates quickly, since its all chemically created.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 8, 2019 19:01:38 GMT -5
Wilke aros use natural flavors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 20:37:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2019 21:20:13 GMT -5
Thank God we're talking about tobacco! No kidding I was worried this was a thread about rectal thermometers. Hey, if you have a problem with me, don't be shy just come right out and tell me.  |
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Post by longtom on Nov 11, 2019 9:34:43 GMT -5
When I first joined this forum about a year ago, a very wise person let me know the key to "Flavortown" is in the "non-aromatics"
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Post by landonspop on Nov 11, 2019 10:37:31 GMT -5
It seems many are called aros. I think aros is for aromatics?
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Post by landonspop on Nov 11, 2019 17:38:34 GMT -5
I have been reading info here and about tobaccos.
I want a non aros tobacco with a cool burn. Supposedly I can eliminate tongue bite with the right tobacco. Being a non smoker, I do not think I want a high nicotine tobacco.
I am not sure about mild flavor or full, or in between. From what I can tell, I want an oriental and Virginian, with no Latika or Perique. I don't want so mild it would be like a cigarette though.
I however have failed to find just these 2 tobaccos used together without another. I just don't want to be turned off. Perique sounds good and Latika if it is just a little.
Any recommendations? Am I still totally confused?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 18:09:48 GMT -5
It seems many are called aros. I think aros is for aromatics? yes. |
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Post by landonspop on Nov 11, 2019 18:45:26 GMT -5
First, I am a brand new pipe smoker and have not been a smoker of any type before. I have always like the smell of the raw tobacco, even the couple I have tried so far. Latest being Lane Q1. I tried a vanilla and a peach also, by Sutliff. I wish I tasted what I smell. The peach had the most flavor, but still more smoke flavor. How long does it take to start tasting the tobacco better? Do I need to try a powerful flavor instead of the mild ones I have tried so far? Open to any suggestions to learn how to taste the tobacco. I am still not sure how to get the humidity where it is supposed to be also. I thought the Lane would be ready to smoke. I might be getting a small amount of tongue burn also. It's like beer. You have to keep trying until you develop a taste for it. I took about 18 months before I really started liking the flavor of the tobacco. Are we crazy for trying to like something that is obviously not in our better health concerns? It may not be horrible, but not as healthy as without. And then we just keep trying to find one to satisfy our tastes? Is there a calming rainbow in the future? I am not a 3 pipe per day smoker, nor plan to be. More like 3x per week. I just remember my grandfather and uncle enjoying it. I have a group of friends that meet up and smoke cigars, have a drink and B.S and I thought I would try a pipe. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2019 19:42:37 GMT -5
It's like beer. You have to keep trying until you develop a taste for it. I took about 18 months before I really started liking the flavor of the tobacco. Are we crazy for trying to like something that is obviously not in our better health concerns? It may not be horrible, but not as healthy as without. And then we just keep trying to find one to satisfy our tastes? Is there a calming rainbow in the future? I am not a 3 pipe per day smoker, nor plan to be. More like 3x per week. I just remember my grandfather and uncle enjoying it. I have a group of friends that meet up and smoke cigars, have a drink and B.S and I thought I would try a pipe. You are asking the wrong people. However, I have seen a study that pipe smokers live longer, happier lives than non-smokers, and I choose to believe it because it makes me happy. I am 69 and I was 63 when I started smoking the pipe regularly. I doubt that it is what will kill me. If you are younger it might be something you would consider. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2019 19:46:16 GMT -5
I have been reading info here and about tobaccos. I want a non aros tobacco with a cool burn. Supposedly I can eliminate tongue bite with the right tobacco. Being a non smoker, I do not think I want a high nicotine tobacco. I am not sure about mild flavor or full, or in between. From what I can tell, I want an oriental and Virginian, with no Latika or Perique. I don't want so mild it would be like a cigarette though. I however have failed to find just these 2 tobaccos used together without another. I just don't want to be turned off. Perique sounds good and Latika if it is just a little. Any recommendations? Am I still totally confused? I know that it's counter-intuitive, but Latakia makes a cool smoke. And not all aros are hot burning goopers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:57:07 GMT -5
Truth be told most folks enjoy Aromatics only us crabbie old a..h… lament on the pleasures of obscure non aromatic blends. My personal belief is that if it smells horrid in the tin it is going to be a great smoke in the English/Balkain category. There are worse things you can do than smoke a pipe I would not worry to much about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 22:00:11 GMT -5
I have been reading info here and about tobaccos. I want a non aros tobacco with a cool burn. Supposedly I can eliminate tongue bite with the right tobacco. Being a non smoker, I do not think I want a high nicotine tobacco. I am not sure about mild flavor or full, or in between. From what I can tell, I want an oriental and Virginian, with no Latika or Perique. I don't want so mild it would be like a cigarette though. I however have failed to find just these 2 tobaccos used together without another. I just don't want to be turned off. Perique sounds good and Latika if it is just a little. Any recommendations? Am I still totally confused? Ya just have to try out tobacco blends , it took me several years before I found the tobacco blend that really rang my chimes.
As far as Pipe Smoking being good for you or not, that is a decision you have to make on your own but, remember there are a LOT of Smoking Nazi's out there that will try to influence you. Make your decision base on FACTS not fiction. As I stated in another thread, I smoked Camel Non-filters for ny on 45 years and after taking up the pipe my lungs improved to 98% capacity and I'm 65.
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Post by landonspop on Nov 12, 2019 0:25:02 GMT -5
Ok, I am 56 and like I said, the idea of smoking a pipe seemed to be something I was looking forward to enjoying. Never being a smoker probably makes it even harder for me to taste.
I wondered if smoking the smoothest and harshest tobaccos would give me a spectrum of where to start. I never liked stout beer before, but found myself drinking 3 Saturday night. I am not sure drinking American light beers helped me like stouts or some IPA's. But it kinda is one extreme to another. It also showed me that my tastes have changed over time.
I am not sure I have had tongue bite, but I know my bowl has felt hot. My problem is trying to keep my pipe lit. I am starting to think that moisture is my main problem. I might be working to hard to keep it lit, that I am heating the pipe and maybe burning my taste buds a little. Is this possible? Is 30 minutes long enough to make most tobaccos dry enough? I have read where people have stored 2 years to get it right.
Most reviews talk about flavor, which I don't get yet. They don't talk much about if they are cool or hot. I have read moist tobacco does burn hot. I am hoping to find a few I like. Seems like many popular brands are going away.
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Post by libertysmoke on Nov 12, 2019 1:09:28 GMT -5
Ok, I am 56 and like I said, the idea of smoking a pipe seemed to be something I was looking forward to enjoying. Never being a smoker probably makes it even harder for me to taste. I wondered if smoking the smoothest and harshest tobaccos would give me a spectrum of where to start. I never liked stout beer before, but found myself drinking 3 Saturday night. I am not sure drinking American light beers helped me like stouts or some IPA's. But it kinda is one extreme to another. It also showed me that my tastes have changed over time. I am not sure I have had tongue bite, but I know my bowl has felt hot. My problem is trying to keep my pipe lit. I am starting to think that moisture is my main problem. I might be working to hard to keep it lit, that I am heating the pipe and maybe burning my taste buds a little. Is this possible? Is 30 minutes long enough to make most tobaccos dry enough? I have read where people have stored 2 years to get it right. Most reviews talk about flavor, which I don't get yet. They don't talk much about if they are cool or hot. I have read moist tobacco does burn hot. I am hoping to find a few I like. Seems like many popular brands are going away. Rick , Another very good resource is YouTube {YTPC= Youtube pipe community} ... Videos on packing / smoking / tobak , etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 7:25:10 GMT -5
Ok, I am 56 and like I said, the idea of smoking a pipe seemed to be something I was looking forward to enjoying. Never being a smoker probably makes it even harder for me to taste. I wondered if smoking the smoothest and harshest tobaccos would give me a spectrum of where to start. I never liked stout beer before, but found myself drinking 3 Saturday night. I am not sure drinking American light beers helped me like stouts or some IPA's. But it kinda is one extreme to another. It also showed me that my tastes have changed over time. I am not sure I have had tongue bite, but I know my bowl has felt hot. My problem is trying to keep my pipe lit. I am starting to think that moisture is my main problem. I might be working to hard to keep it lit, that I am heating the pipe and maybe burning my taste buds a little. Is this possible? Is 30 minutes long enough to make most tobaccos dry enough? I have read where people have stored 2 years to get it right. Most reviews talk about flavor, which I don't get yet. They don't talk much about if they are cool or hot. I have read moist tobacco does burn hot. I am hoping to find a few I like. Seems like many popular brands are going away. In my experience if you've never smoked you should be getting a lot more flavor if your doing it right. I think your probably not holding in your mouth long enough to get a flavor and exhaling quickly to avoid the effects. If it really bothers you that it may be bad for your health don't do it, we're not hear to brainwash you into coming to the Dark side.
It takes time to learn the proper way to smoke a pipe, it's not an over night thing. Some may pick it up in a week or two some months but, when you do you'll know. And if your bowl is getting hot to handle, your puffing way TOO much sir. Slow it down and sip, enjoy and don't be afraid of the Big "C". If you are, don't smoke.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Nov 12, 2019 7:54:16 GMT -5
I've smoked cigarettes like a train for the better part of 21 years, I still do occasionally. It took me a while to differentiate the different flavors of tobaccos. As I keep on puffing and trying several new blends, I can pick out certain things better. I'm no reviewer, by any means, but I can tell a lot of differences now compared to when I started.
Smoke slow and dont really search for flavors. I found that if I was looking for something in particular, it made it harder to find it and I wasnt enjoying the other flavors coming through.
I also found it helpful to pick up a few different blends of each type (virginia, va/per, burley, english, etc). After smoking several bowls of each, I could tell what I was tasting by what I was missing in the others.
Most of all, it takes time and patients.
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Post by Wizard on Nov 13, 2019 17:17:40 GMT -5
IMO...Stay away from aro's and try to get the sweetness and good flavors from the tobacco itself...Orlik Golden Sliced is a good one to get to know !! Orlik Golden Sliced is one of my favorites with an apricot flavor that lasts to the last puffs. Butchcassidy is right, try it.🙂🧙🏼♂️ |
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Post by landonspop on Nov 14, 2019 14:58:25 GMT -5
Here is what I have learned. We taste more with our nose, so I am practicing retro hale as suggested.
Smoke is going to be the main taste with subtle other flavors. I was hoping the flavors would be more potent.
I am working too hard keeping the pipe llt and following the rules of smoking, to enjoy it so far. More work less relaxing.
So I am hoping as I learn the proper technique, the enjoyment will get better.
Most of the tobacco stores emphasize cigars, but hopefully, I can find someone to get pointers in person. You guys and gals are great, but you can't see what I may be doing wrong. I do appreciate the pointers very much, and with those, I have been able to diagnose some of my problems.
I may not have tongue burn, but I do feel a numbness.
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Post by taharris on Nov 29, 2019 18:15:30 GMT -5
In my humble opinion:
The better a tobacco smells to someone else while you are smoking the worse it tastes to you and vice versa.
You can get flavor from Aeros, but it is really hard. Something I have not mastered.
Tongue burn seems to have more to do with body chemistry than what tobacco you are smoking. Find a type of tobacco that doesn’t burn you and stick with it.
Red Virginia’s burn the crap out of me and burlys almost never do unless they are treated with sugar.
Latakia burns me, but Virginia’s rarely do.
My advice is to ditch the aromatics and figure out what types of tobacco work best with your body chemistry.
Once you find something that doesn’t burn your tongue, practice smoking as slowly and cool as you can and the flavor will take care of itself.
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