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Post by oldcajun123 on Nov 19, 2019 16:53:31 GMT -5
 I work in Alaska, in the northernmost part of the state, for a large Oil company. The oilfield is called Prudhoe Bay, it consists of about 8 major oil fields that pump oil into a single pipeline that winds across Alaska to a southern port called Valdez. Our weather varies from 63 deg F to Minus -90 deg depending on wind chill. It is winter 75% of the time, why am I telling you this? because it will give you an idea of the severe weather that the trucks we use have to operate in. When we travel from well pads to production plants the roads are gravel, rutty or rutted and ice/snow covered, very hard on suspensions and tires. It is so cold, sometimes we never shut off the trucks: they sit idling or connected to a hitch rail with an electric cord which powers warmers for the transmission rear end and batteries, and a refueling truck comes by and keeps them topped off. So our vehicles get the real severe use and torture test during their life. Chevy trucks: Front ends go out of alignment fast, power steering issues, transmission failures very common. But the truck is smooth on rough roads and they have good heaters and very strong beds that do not get punctured even when we drop heavy steel items in them and they have good towing ability. Because they are warm and comfortable guys tend to pick them to drive. GM Trucks: For some unknown reason GM vehicles seem to last better than Chevy, even thought they are built by the same company. Fewer front end issues, transmissions seem to last longer. Rougher ride than the Chevy but body and frame are strong and they have good towing capability. Good heaters and heated seats and mirrors are a plus. No starting problems, however sometimes prone to strange electrical issues due to the cold maybe: tail lights stop working, or while idling they choke -- perhaps fuel issues - I am not sure. But maintenance always got them working again. Dodge Trucks: Cold blooded, do not want to start often in really cold weather, Do not know why but the batteries seem to die faster, diesel engines must be kept running all the time, transmission issues most common. The interior is horrible, the vibration of constant driving on gravel and rutty roads seems to shake all the plastic loose and it rattles. Whatever material they use in the seats becomes solid in the cold and until it warms up it's like sitting on a frozen rock. If you are silly enough to be late, the only truck left on the rail to drive will be a Dodge and you will regret it. Ford Trucks: The roughest riding trucks in the mix, due to the solid front axle. also they have the worlds worst turning radius. But they work well during severe use, Interiors stay together although stuff stops working, like radios and electronics, but the truck will start and run reliably. The diesel versions are horrible: they never start, they do not work well in severe weather. Good towing capacity and strong bumpers, their beds are strong -(have not used the new aluminum bed versions; all the ones we had were steel). Poor heaters, barely enough to keep you warm in cold weather. We all liked the Fords though, they were reliable. Things like transmission and power steering stayed working most times though we did have a number of transmission failures. No issues with the strength of the truck - it's a good truck. Toyota Trucks: Weak, cannot tow most heavy oilfield things, horrible transmissions- they fail easily, engine is fine and starts easily but they are under powered. Interiors do not hold up to harsh use, very often torn seats and cracked plastic. The absolutely worst steel used to make the bed, they dent and puncture, and the tailgate actually bends in the middle when heavy items are put on it, something we never see on the other trucks. All the companies up here stopped buying them. This from a man who uses them in a rough environment!
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 19, 2019 18:41:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip, Oldcajun....I would imagine that up there where it is so cold, most things fail...especially people. seriously, most oilfield people are rock solid folks...working in that environment, you gotta be tough. I hear pay is good, and it should be to deal with that kind of environment.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 19, 2019 19:06:58 GMT -5
The description of Ford trucks is consistent with my experience having operated one for 21 years in NM. I only know the 7.3 liter diesel engine and it is as he write. .
The ride is as described owing to solid front axle and leaf springs.
Turning radius is very wide. Plan way ahead. Parking lots are a problem.
Effortless towing up very steep mountain grades at high altitude. That International 444 was not even breathing hard in direct drive. 21,100 pounds on the scale.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 19:17:36 GMT -5
GMC's last longer only because, they Got a Mechanic Coming all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 19:26:30 GMT -5
I have always been afforded fleet vehicles and Chevy is the longest lasting just keep em full of oil and water. Ford second but always underpowered and Dodge well I would hurt feelings if I said what I think about Dodge. The first S10 had fewer problems than the Toyotas they replaced at one job. I like Toyota but in a full size the fuel mileage is terrible. Nissan builds a darn good pickup and the new ones are very nice. I am talking gasoline powered pickups.
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Post by scrooge on Nov 19, 2019 20:15:28 GMT -5
I've owned them all at one time or another. But have always had a dodge when owning the others. I treat them right an they do the same for me. Minus 90 Brrrr!
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Post by blackmouth210 on Nov 19, 2019 20:20:19 GMT -5
 I work in Alaska, in the northernmost part of the state, for a large Oil company. The oilfield is called Prudhoe Bay, it consists of about 8 major oil fields that pump oil into a single pipeline that winds across Alaska to a southern port called Valdez. Our weather varies from 63 deg F to Minus -90 deg depending on wind chill. It is winter 75% of the time, why am I telling you this? because it will give you an idea of the severe weather that the trucks we use have to operate in. When we travel from well pads to production plants the roads are gravel, rutty or rutted and ice/snow covered, very hard on suspensions and tires. It is so cold, sometimes we never shut off the trucks: they sit idling or connected to a hitch rail with an electric cord which powers warmers for the transmission rear end and batteries, and a refueling truck comes by and keeps them topped off. So our vehicles get the real severe use and torture test during their life. Chevy trucks: Front ends go out of alignment fast, power steering issues, transmission failures very common. But the truck is smooth on rough roads and they have good heaters and very strong beds that do not get punctured even when we drop heavy steel items in them and they have good towing ability. Because they are warm and comfortable guys tend to pick them to drive. GM Trucks: For some unknown reason GM vehicles seem to last better than Chevy, even thought they are built by the same company. Fewer front end issues, transmissions seem to last longer. Rougher ride than the Chevy but body and frame are strong and they have good towing capability. Good heaters and heated seats and mirrors are a plus. No starting problems, however sometimes prone to strange electrical issues due to the cold maybe: tail lights stop working, or while idling they choke -- perhaps fuel issues - I am not sure. But maintenance always got them working again. Dodge Trucks: Cold blooded, do not want to start often in really cold weather, Do not know why but the batteries seem to die faster, diesel engines must be kept running all the time, transmission issues most common. The interior is horrible, the vibration of constant driving on gravel and rutty roads seems to shake all the plastic loose and it rattles. Whatever material they use in the seats becomes solid in the cold and until it warms up it's like sitting on a frozen rock. If you are silly enough to be late, the only truck left on the rail to drive will be a Dodge and you will regret it. Ford Trucks: The roughest riding trucks in the mix, due to the solid front axle. also they have the worlds worst turning radius. But they work well during severe use, Interiors stay together although stuff stops working, like radios and electronics, but the truck will start and run reliably. The diesel versions are horrible: they never start, they do not work well in severe weather. Good towing capacity and strong bumpers, their beds are strong -(have not used the new aluminum bed versions; all the ones we had were steel). Poor heaters, barely enough to keep you warm in cold weather. We all liked the Fords though, they were reliable. Things like transmission and power steering stayed working most times though we did have a number of transmission failures. No issues with the strength of the truck - it's a good truck. Toyota Trucks: Weak, cannot tow most heavy oilfield things, horrible transmissions- they fail easily, engine is fine and starts easily but they are under powered. Interiors do not hold up to harsh use, very often torn seats and cracked plastic. The absolutely worst steel used to make the bed, they dent and puncture, and the tailgate actually bends in the middle when heavy items are put on it, something we never see on the other trucks. All the companies up here stopped buying them. This from a man who uses them in a rough environment! This info is gold. Real results from a real user of all major brands except the Nissan. So, if you were buying one for personal use, which would you choose?
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Post by georged on Nov 19, 2019 21:58:26 GMT -5
10-4 on the International 444T that Ford offered in its 250s and 350s years ago being a stellar engine. Mine has lasted 23 years so far with few problems (and none of them expensive/significant).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 22:08:15 GMT -5
I've gotta make sure I don't take my Tacoma to Alaska, or drop any boulders into the bed!
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Post by toshtego on Nov 19, 2019 22:12:09 GMT -5
I have always been afforded fleet vehicles and Chevy is the longest lasting just keep em full of oil and water. Ford second but always underpowered and Dodge well I would hurt feelings if I said what I think about Dodge. The first S10 had fewer problems than the Toyotas they replaced at one job. I like Toyota but in a full size the fuel mileage is terrible. Nissan builds a darn good pickup and the new ones are very nice. I am talking gasoline powered pickups. Agreed that Ford has an engine problem on light trucks. Their gas engines are not truck motors and there have been too many problems with the International diesels starting with the 6.0 V8. Now, they want smaller and more fuel efficient engines.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 19, 2019 22:44:46 GMT -5
Interesting read, Brad... thank you.
I have a 2012 Nissan Frontier crew cab 4.0 gas engine... basically a daily driver, it does have the towing package, but I have never towed anything... crank windows, no keyless remote, stripped down version.. it does have A/ C but no cruise (wish it did) at 80k nothing has ever failed, and I have just done routine maintenance .... I got 80K out of the stock tires.
Not a full size truck, haven’t loaded boulders or dodged polar bears, but it has been impressive.
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